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Wisconsin Recall Fight Heats Up As Democrats Complain Of 'Shots For Signatures' Deals (AUDIO)


First Posted: 04/21/11 09:49 AM ET Updated: 06/21/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- In an effort to gather enough signatures to trigger recall elections of state senators in Wisconsin, some backers are turning to peculiar, unconventional and, it appears, even intoxicating means.

The Wisconsin Democratic Party is planning to file a complaint to the state Government Accountability Board alleging that a Republican signature-gatherer offered alcoholic beverages to a group of women to get them to sign a recall petition against a Democratic state senator.

Although that's not illegal in Wisconsin, it is strongly discouraged and, Democrats argue, evidence that Republicans don't really have enough grassroots support for their recall campaigns.

Republicans have until early next week to file recall petitions against eight Democratic state senators, more than half of the caucus that left the state in February to protest and delay the GOP's budget repair bill, which included a provision stripping public employees of their collective bargaining rights. So far, the state Republican Party has not filed any recall petitions, although they are reportedly planning to file two -- against state Sens. Dave Hansen and Jim Holperin -- on Thursday.

Meantime, Wisconsin Democrats have filed recall petitions against four Republican state senators and have until May 2 to get enough signatures for the four others, according to the state Government Accountability Board. The campaign will be a rarity for Wisconsin: there have been only four recall elections in the state's history.

According to a draft of the Democratic complaint to the GAB, obtained by The Huffington Post from a Democratic source, a woman who was at John's Main Event, a tavern in Burlington, Wis., with her friends on Feb. 27, "heard that someone was providing 'shots' to people if they signed a petition to recall State Senator Robert Wirch," a Democrat.

The woman, who signed the complaint, said a bartender showed her the recall petition and told her that if she signed it, she and her friends would get free shots.

The source also passed along an audio recording of the encounter, in which the woman says, "So you're going to get us -- one, two, three, four, five shots if we sign this?" A man responds, "That's right. ... I'll buy them."

There are many questions that remain surrounding the recording, including whether the bartender was joking and whether the woman actually supported recalling Wirch or was just egging on the signature-gatherer. But it does demonstrate that a party's reliance on a network of unsupervised signature-gatherers can end up causing headaches.

The indication that it's a petition to recall a Democratic senator comes when the woman expresses frustration and says it's "bullcrap" that "they went out of the state," referring to the Democratic state senators who fled to Illinois during the budget standoff. She later refers to the "Democrat."

At the end of the recording, another woman asks, "What are we signing again?" The first woman replies, "To recall them again, because it's bullshit that they left. And you get a shot out of it."

LISTEN:

Reid Magney, a spokesman for the GAB -- which oversees the state's campaign finance, elections, ethics and lobbying laws -- said offering drinks in return for signatures doesn't actually appear to be illegal.

"Our attorneys have been unable to find anything in state law that would prohibit offering drinks or anything for signing a petition," Magney said, though he added that they "strongly encourage people not to do so because it taints the process."

Based on the above recording, Wisconsin Democratic Party spokesman Graeme Zielinski confirmed that the party may still file a complaint with the GAB challenging a possible Wirch recall petition on ethical grounds. Meantime, he said, the Democrats are working to make sure their own recall campaigns are ironclad.

"For our purposes, [on Tuesday] we filed against the fourth senator, Sheila Harsdorf," Zielinski said. "We filed about 23,000 signatures of about 15,000 required. In each case, we've been more than 140 percent of the total. In some cases, almost double of the total required. We scrubbed them pretty clean too, so they're going to survive any Republican challenge."

The Wisconsin Republican Party did not return a request for comment.

Both parties are already gearing up to challenge each other's recall petitions -- and fend off challenges to their own. Democrats have scheduled a Thursday morning conference call with reporters to discuss what they described in a press release as "the fraudulently pursued, deliberately hidden and dangerous Republican recall racket against three Democratic senators."

On the Republican side, lawyers for state Sen. Dan Kapanke (R) have filed a complaint challenging the recall petition targeting the legislator, arguing it should be thrown out because of missing paperwork. According to the Associated Press, "The organizers have five days to file a rebuttal to Kapanke's challenge. Kapanke then has another two days to respond. Election officials will then have 14 days to either approve or reject the petition."

Groups or individuals can challenge either entire petitions or particular signatures. They have 10 days after a petition has been submitted to file a challenge. The GAB then considers those challenges when reviewing the petitions to determine whether a recall election is called for, in which case the incumbent legislator will face off against other candidates.

UPDATE: 11:48 a.m. -- The Democratic rebuttal to the GOP challenge to the Kapanke petition can be found here.

UPDATE: 3:12 p.m. -- A Huffington Post reader -- a resident of Burlington and someone who frequents John's Main Event -- passed along a screenshot of the bartender's Facebook page, in which he talks about his signature-gathering that on Feb. 27 and makes fun of the protesters who showed up:

UPDATE: 4/22/11 -- MSNBC's Rachel Maddow covered the "shots for signatures" issue on her show on Thursday night:

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WASHINGTON -- In an effort to gather enough signatures to trigger recall elections of state senators in Wisconsin, some backers are turning to peculiar, unconventional and, it appears, even intoxicati...
WASHINGTON -- In an effort to gather enough signatures to trigger recall elections of state senators in Wisconsin, some backers are turning to peculiar, unconventional and, it appears, even intoxicati...
 
 
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03:10 AM on 06/07/2011
Too funny...
06:52 PM on 06/05/2011
Shots for signatures is like citizenship for votes. Poor progressives. Fooled again.
10:08 AM on 06/05/2011
Now the Wisconsin GOP will surely try to disenfranchise these voters come election day.

Voter beware in 2012!!!!! Have that photo ID and all your necessary "papers" in order. Most importantly, PAY ATTENTION to what your specific voting district is doing in anticipation of 2012.

The phrase "all politics is local" will prove to ring quite true, I believe, in 2012.

PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR LOCAL POLITICS SO YOU WILL HAVE A HASSLE FREE VOTING EXPERIENCE IN 2012! THIS IS THAT IMPORTANT THAT IT DESERVES SOLID CAPS AND SHOULD BE REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN! THE GOP WILL WIN...ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. BE PREPARED!
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12:55 PM on 05/03/2011
I wonder if these barflys vote? Just thinking....?
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jamuelle
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07:11 PM on 05/01/2011
Don't the signatures have to be from people in the district of the person being recalled? Giving away shots, which someone had to pay for, to people's whose signatures probably don't even matter or count anyways.

They say it isn't illegal to give alcohol away for this. But it is illegal to pay people to gain their signature. How is this different? You are receiving something for your signature.
All this and it just ends up making the Republicans look scuzzy in the process. Way to go!
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unwashedmasses
Newtown is Our Town
12:59 PM on 05/03/2011
Another way the republican'ts save us money and don't waste our precious tax dollars.
At least WI will be hiring more recall checkers - not exactly JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, like Walker promised to deliver if elected.

OH, well, maybe it's just another hollow promise.
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jamuelle
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01:20 PM on 05/03/2011
They've opened a can of worms, bag of snakes, you name it. Thank goodness I only live next door in Minne!
04:03 PM on 05/01/2011
Haha this is so funny and BIASED! Doesn't anyone remember socialist Anthony wiener mentioning a drinking game where you take a shot everytime republicans lie?? Ironic....
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asaman53
Get angry! 2012 the end of the Tea Party.
11:58 AM on 06/03/2011
You sound like a third grader on the playground. My God, can't you come up with something other than, "I'm rubber you're glue"?
02:46 PM on 04/28/2011
Hi, I am Kellie Levans , I am a journalist from Burlington, WI. My brother actually worked at JOHN'S MAIN EVENT, the place trading shots of Alcohol for signatures to recall Wisconsin Democrats ~ Like I said along time along time ago ...Welcome to the Jungle here in Burlington, WI lol
Kellie Levans
JOHN'S MAIN EVENT MAKES NATIONAL NEWS MSNBC for trading shots for signatures
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I think it is hilarious
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12:20 AM on 04/28/2011
Enough time has passef and we have not forgotten to remember the one way Ealker ball busting union budting.
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eLucida
Liberate Fitzwalkerstan, defeat A.L.E.C.
11:42 PM on 04/27/2011
The Utah recall organizer "Dan Baltes" is a gift that keeps on giving.

His recall efforts in AZ have fallen short:

"The Utah man behind the effort to recall Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik is apparently withdrawing his petition after being accused of falsely using his brother’s identity and forging his brother's signature on the application for recall. "

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2011/04/22/dupnik-recalll-effort-nears-apparent-collapse

"His real name isn't Dan Baltes. It's Daniel Arthur Elliott. He took his third wife's last name after they married about 3 ½ years ago. He said he wanted to distance himself from an ex-girlfriend and an ex-wife.

"It was done to put myself off the radar and now I'm on the radar," ...

"And now that he's on the grid, so are the 10 years he spent in the Idaho prison system from the mid '80s to mid '90s for grand theft, forgery and writing bad checks. So is a domestic violence complaint and protective order issued against him in Colorado a decade ago"

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705371045/Questions-swirl-around-mysterious-Utah-conservative-pundit-Dan-Baltes.html

And there is a blogspot "Conning Conservatives" to spread the word

http://danbaltes.blogspot.com/

and it looks like the WI recalls of Democratic Senators seem to be full of errors (bummer >:-) ! )

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/27/970487/-WI-Recalls:-Karma-is-SWEET!
03:52 PM on 04/28/2011
As the person behind "Conning Conservatives" blog at http://danbaltes.blogspot.com/
I appreciate that for the left he may seem like the "gift that keeps on giving" and you really have only scratched the surface of the cons that he has pulled.

However, unless the con artists who target the passion of politics are exposed due to a miss step (like not paying a former employee) people never find out if their money and trust are really going to the effort or just into someone's pocket. I wouldn't be so smug, these predators exist on all sides.

Alexandrea Merrell
06:17 PM on 05/01/2011
Right on Alexandrea! Those smug ones usually wind up with the face in the do.

Baltes a former employee of the ACLU, is as crooked as the rest of the liberals. They only care about themselves and how much they can take from others. Yes KARMA will come around and I want to be there to see it happen. eLucida needs to stand back before the do gets her, if she believes Conservatives are destroying this country, she needs to go back to school, starting with Kindergarten, because she missed something.
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eLucida
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07:51 AM on 04/29/2011
Conservatives are destroying our nation.

If you really care about exposing con artists, target the biggest ones.
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MChile124
Just zis guy, you know?
12:12 PM on 04/27/2011
People can sign these petitions and have their drinks--it means very little. If the sigs-for-shots method gets a recall election to happen, so be it. People still have to show up and vote in the recall election, and if people are apathetic and signing it for another drink, these people won't be recalled. I think that this audio clip shows more than anything the ignorance of the people signing the petition. "Recall him for the bullcrap he did" "Who?" "He's a Democrat,, the bullcrap..." "Oh I'm signin'..." Ugh it is simply maddening that these people who so clearly know nothing about current events get to influence elections.
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06:20 AM on 04/24/2011
Tea Party Fascists

Steve Daniels: Wisconsin on path to dictatorship, just like Michigan

http://host.madison.com/news/opinion/mailbag/article_f3c171a3-2d28-5f83-afe4-21fdbb001ed4.html
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06:24 PM on 04/23/2011
Save the Date: FightingBobFestNorth

Coming to Chippewa Falls on May 21

(Chippewa Falls) – The first FightingBobFestNorth has been set for Saturday, May 21, 2011 at the Northern Wisconsin State Fairgrounds in Chippewa Falls, rain or shine. “FightingBobFest” is a forum for progressives to gather and inspire each other in the tradition of Wisconsin’s pioneering activist “Fighting Bob” LaFollette. The parent event has taken place in Baraboo for the past nine years and will move to Madison in 2011.

FightingBobFestNorth was motivated by the late Senator Paul Wellstone’s charge to Ed Garvey, founder of the original FightingBobFest, to “do this more than once a year and in different locations.”

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In keeping with the desire to mix politics with a good time, FightingBobFestNorth will include outstanding local food, regional beers, music and an Upper Midwest attitude. It will be held at the accessible and accommodating Northern Wisconsin State Fairgrounds which is located near countless other attractions for those who wish to make it a full weekend of travel and fun.

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Cabo600
Mongo only pawn in game of life.
11:38 AM on 04/23/2011
Shots for signatures is just the tip of the iceberg for Repubs. The dirty acts they commit are by and large of the criminal and felonious type.
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boycottrightwingthings
END WAR on women vote Dem 2014!
11:33 AM on 04/23/2011
Thuis is clearly illegal, and I hope that people slam the door in the faces of anyone who would suggest free liquor in this manner. I think only people with alcohol problems to begin with would be stupid enough to fall for this anyway!
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Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
09:16 AM on 04/24/2011
It doesn't appear to be illegal.

But it is slimy- and exactly what I'd expect.
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01:10 AM on 04/23/2011
More Questions Of Koch Brothers’ Fingers In Scott Walker’s Wisconsin Pie As ‘Jason’ Identity Revealed?
by Rick Ungar

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/04/22/more-questions-of-koch-brothers-fingers-in-scott-walkers-wisconsin-pie-as-jason-identity-revealed/