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Paul Ryan Budget Medicare Cuts

MIKE SCHNEIDER and DINESH RAMDE   04/26/11 07:47 PM ET   AP

ORLANDO, Fla. — Freshman Rep. Daniel Webster was armed with a rainbow of graphs and pie charts, ready to make the GOP's case for budget cuts before his own constituents. He was barely a minute into his prepared remarks Tuesday when the yelling started.

The first heckler shouted his doubts about the Florida congressman's promise to do what is right in Washington. From there, the hour-long meeting in Orlando was filled with a constant stream of boos and questioners in the crowd of 300 shouting over each other.

Twelve minutes into his remarks, Webster couldn't be heard over the shouting on both sides. He tried to continue but then stood quietly for a minute smiling, his hands clasped together in front.

The Republican plan to fundamentally restructure Medicare and cut social safety net programs like food stamps and Medicaid has at times been a raucously tough sell as its supporters head home and meet with their constituents, including Democrats organized against them. Even the architect of the plan, Rep. Paul Ryan, has been booed, though many of those attending four meetings Tuesday in his home state of Wisconsin were supportive.

The GOP plan passed by the House this month envisions cutting government deficits by a total $6.2 trillion over the next decade. One of its most contentious provisions calls for eventually transforming Medicare into a voucher-like system in which private insurance plans, not the government, pay medical bills. The plan has drawn scorn from Democrats, including President Barack Obama, who want wealthier Americans to pay higher taxes to help reduce the deficit.

The plan follows a bruising budget battle that nearly produced a government shutdown, and comes as the stakes have been raised on the nation's burgeoning debt. Republicans and Democrats are at odds over must-pass legislation to allow the government to borrow more money, and last week the Standard & Poor's credit agency lowered its long-term outlook for the federal government's fiscal health.

Democratic activists made up much of the chorus of critics at Webster's event and elsewhere. The reactions echoed the larger angry crowds who met Democratic supporters of Obama's health-care overhaul in the last Congress.

Webster defended the Republican plan. "We don't have a tax problem. We have a spending problem," he said to wild applause from supporters.

"We put forth a proposal to cut spending. If we keep things the way it is, you pick your country, which one you want to borrow from," Webster added, displaying a pie chart of countries that hold U.S. debt.

"Is this your new scare tactic?" shouted Maria Reynolds, a 52-year-old real estate agent.

"Be quiet!" shouted a man sitting by her.

"Let the Bush tax cuts expire," shouted James Callahan, 52, a Democratic precinct committee member.

Supporters then began to chant "Let him talk!" Reynolds started chanting, "Let him lie!"

After the meeting, Webster said he welcomed the debate.

"There is nothing wrong with a clash of ideas," he said. "To me, the more policy we can make based on discussions like this, the better the policy is going to be because it reveals the blind spots people have, including me."

Ryan faced more civil crowds in Wisconsin, where some thanked him and expressed support for his dedication on the issues. But he also had his critics.

Sandra Lepisto, 65, a retired elementary school teacher from Racine, said she was concerned about Ryan's Medicare plan. She held a sign that read, "We use up the voucher, and then what?"

"Ryan's numbers don't make sense. If something catastrophic happens and your voucher runs out, what are your options then?" Lepisto said in Kenosha.

Ryan criticized Democrats for attacking his plan, but acknowledged the GOP has responded similarly to Democratic proposals. He said honest discussion is needed.

"Look, scaring seniors comes out every two years, and this time it's the Democrats trying to do it," Ryan said.

Ryan drew standing-room-only crowds at all four of his Tuesday meetings. Two were so full that dozens of constituents, along with press members, were denied entry. The only venue that drew obvious protesters was Kenosha, Wis., where about 80 people stood with signs such as "Ryan Hood Steals From US And Gives To The Rich" and "Paul Ryan Stop Lyin'."

Jim Johnson left the Kenosha meeting early, telling a reporter outside he and his wife were among a small group who booed when Ryan entered. Johnson, 63, said he voted for Ryan in years past but had grown increasingly disgusted.

"He says Medicare is unsustainable. I'm thinking, 'Yeah, it's because medical costs are out of control,'" said Johnson, a retired Navy captain. "Why isn't he attacking it at that level?"

Ryan also was booed last week at a meeting in Elkhorn, Wis. So was freshman Republican Rep. Lou Barletta, at a meeting in his Pennsylvania district.

The Morning Call of Allentown reported that the dispute began with a woman chastising Barletta for his support of the GOP budget plan. Two men shouted at the woman, who was defended a third man. He was removed by police after the trio exchanged angry words.

Shawn Kelly, a spokesman for Barletta, said the woman who interrupted the meeting was president of a Democratic group, and that that meeting got rowdy not because of anger over the budget plan, but because of people who refused to give up the floor.

In upstate New York cheers and a smattering of boos greeted freshman Rep. Chris Gibson, whose town hall meeting Tuesday in Malta, north of Albany, drew about 150 people.

Gibson called the budget plan "pro-growth," "fiscally responsible" and "a baby step toward where we need to go." Joe Seeman, a 51-year-old software developer who organized a protest before the meeting, called it "one big gift to the rich."

GOP Rep. Renee Ellmers, a tea party favorite who won an upset victory last year, tried to reassure voters in her North Carolina district that the Republican plan makes drastic changes necessary to bring the debt under control without harming their expensive federal benefits.

"If you're 55 and older, your Medicare and Social Security will not change," Ellmers told a crowd of about 20 gathered Tuesday in the small town of Spring Hope, about 40 miles east of Raleigh.

The crowd of mostly older people appreciated that message, but seemed skeptical about how it would keep costs down. Ellmers said a combination of tort reform and increased competition among insurance companies would produce savings.

Even some residents who support the Republican plan generally were concerned about its affect on people currently 54 and younger – the ones who would need to use a voucher system rather than Medicare as it now exists.

"Morally, I think society wants to cover those costs, but we're faced with a different financial reality," said Bob Sutter, 63, who works for the North Carolina Peanut Growers Association. "I'm just concerned about my children and my grandchildren being saddled with that burden."

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Ramde reported from Lake Geneva, Wis. AP writers Rik Stevens in Malta, N.Y., Tom Breen in Spring Hope, N.C., and Patrick Walters in Philadelphia contributed to this report.

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ORLANDO, Fla. — Freshman Rep. Daniel Webster was armed with a rainbow of graphs and pie charts, ready to make the GOP's case for budget cuts before his own constituents. He was barely a minute i...
ORLANDO, Fla. — Freshman Rep. Daniel Webster was armed with a rainbow of graphs and pie charts, ready to make the GOP's case for budget cuts before his own constituents. He was barely a minute i...
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bryanzth 10:43 AM on 04/27/2011
There has been some talk of progressives and I even suppose moderates seeking and then going to town hall meetings of GOP representatives. AS IF this was something kinda sneaky and therefore wrong.

Anything but the case. Whether a representative is Republican, DemocratIC, Independent, or something else, s/he represents NOT just his/her party affiliates, but all the people. And such a representative  Read More...
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Michael Overboe
02:18 PM on 04/29/2011
We could save millions in tax payer money and take the insurance away from the congressmen and women.
Have you noticed that it is younger Republicans that are the ones attacking the older voters?
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masslass
09:05 AM on 04/29/2011
Oh my god- I was just going to post that I have never seen Paul Ryan and Eddie Munster together in the same room at the same time, it made me wonder....
But dmsdznr- you beat me to it!
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dmsdzinr
Progression wit a twist of sarcasm.
08:37 AM on 04/29/2011
AW!, look Eddie Munster is sad!
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SteveDenver
Progressive and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.
02:58 AM on 04/29/2011
Isn't the directive to purchase private insurance the great GOP outcry against Health Care Reform?

Medicare for ALL… INCLUDING CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE!
Whatever they do to Medicare, they do to themselves and their families.

A great many seniors on Medicare have already been denied coverage by insurance companies.
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ThankGodhesgone
Always Progressive
12:03 AM on 04/29/2011
Hey Tea Partiers. Why aren't you out protesting against Republicans with your 'Hands off my Medicare' signs?
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SteveDenver
Progressive and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.
02:59 AM on 04/29/2011
I don't think the Koch brothers will reimburse that or provide the buses.
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mummblemouth
11:01 PM on 04/28/2011
OT:

RECOUNT ALERT! SERIOUS BREAK IN CHAIN OF CUSTODY IN WAUKESHA COUNTY!

From PolitiScoo­p:

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The cons have broken the chain of custody and it smells more and more like fraud. May they all roast.
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SteveDenver
Progressive and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.
10:52 PM on 04/28/2011
What an awesome picture of Ryan!

The GOP think they can still get away with everything and nobody will notice, but people in their own base are taking notice and are not only wondering "Where are the jobs?" but they are also wondering "Why are they attacking grandma?"
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Monday Morning
“Try and fail, but don't fail to try.
10:04 PM on 04/28/2011
Paul Ryan Endorses Ending Oil Subsidies, Even Though He Voted For Them
ThinkProgress filed this report from Wisconsin.

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) agreed to end subsidies to oil companies during a town hall in Waterford, Wisconsin, this morning, eliciting great applause from an overflow crowd in a very conservative section of his district. “We also want to get rid of corporate welfare,” Ryan insisted. “So we propose to repeal all that”:

Q: The subsidy for the oil companies that the federal government gives. They’ve gotta stop.

RYAN: Sure.

Q: End the oil company subsidies…

RYAN: I agree.

Q: …and you will gain a lot of that money in the red back.

Watch it:

But Ryan voted twice this year to actually extend subsidies to oil companies, once on a motion to recommit on a shorter-term continuing resolution and again when he supported an amendment to the initial House CR. The Ryan budget, meanwhile, doesn’t specifically target oil subsidies, but only generally promises to end “corporate welfare.”

Earlier this week, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) also indirectly endorsed ending subsidies to the oil industry, before walking back his support.

UPDATE Ryan spokesperson Conor Sweeney told The Hill this afternoon that Ryan's budget "obviously" ends tax breaks for big oil companies, yet mysteriously also said Ryan has “made clear we are not for raising taxes” -- the talking point House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has used to defend oil subsidies

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StillAmused
Some mayo on that troll, please...
09:27 PM on 04/28/2011
Kinda fun, just sitting back and watching 'em fire at their own feet on full auto.
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EspritDeVoltaire
K Street PR firm board member
08:17 PM on 04/28/2011
He looked like such a nice young man...
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Red Herring
Retired Miner, living in third world
06:43 PM on 04/28/2011
First they stole all the money and gave it to their rich friends, now they claim the cubbord is bare.

It takes real chutzpah to look around at the last scraps that the bottom 90% of Americans have left and try and find ways to take that from them as well.
dessertsfirst
because life is too short!!
07:24 PM on 04/28/2011
well said
f & f
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camanokat
Outta this world
08:40 PM on 04/28/2011
Exactly! F&F.
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John Stopple
04:38 PM on 04/28/2011
Re: the last paragraph,

This is always the justification given for cutting under 55 Medicare/Social Security. However, since it does affect the kids and grandkids shouldn't they get a say in it?

I always hear in response to this line of argument "But we're saving YOU from debt." This always sounds like "We need to burn the village to save it".

As far as I'm concerned, the debt is either so urgent that we need to shorten the budget balancing window and have current generations make sacrifices as well or it is of such a low priority that we could actually ask people who would near retirement in 2040 what they would want to do since that is when Ryan balances it anyway.
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TC Mits
Cogito ergo democratia sum.
03:58 PM on 04/28/2011
Screening questions, cancelling town halls. Yep, he GOP really wants to hear from the people.
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swimbiker
05:04 PM on 04/28/2011
And yet when people brought guns to town hall meetings and shouted and disrupted the meetings, the GOP was fine with that.
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TC Mits
Cogito ergo democratia sum.
06:15 PM on 04/28/2011
Amen.
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sagmann
Dies Irae
02:35 PM on 04/28/2011
"Polls show what the People think..."
Maybe. But they don't give a hoot about what THE PEOPLE think! And who's that, "the people?" We know the Koch brothers, Big Pharma, Chevron, Halliburton, the American Chamber of (shaddy) Commerce...But "the People?" Oh, I see....these little guys who fight everyday to feed their children, and have no money, therefore no power to change the world...none. Totally uninterested with their opinion. Let's talk about real stuff: how is Wall Street, today?
Have a nice day, America.
dessertsfirst
because life is too short!!
07:30 PM on 04/28/2011
right on!
They've heard "the people" speak, alright! but it isn't you and me, brother/sister, that they are hearing! as you said, it is the big bucks of those who contribute to their "war" chests... those are the folks whose voices they hear, and those are the folks who get THEIR interests represented...
as for you and me??? what was the term? taxation w/o representation?? yup, that would be us! we pay the salaries, and pay for the health care benefits, and remember the big fat retirements... of our so-called representatives in DC, but our interests don't get represented!!
llyd wlsh
bio hazard
08:47 PM on 04/28/2011
"as for you and me??? what was the term? taxation w/o representa­tion?? yup, that would be us! we pay the salaries, and pay for the health care benefits, and remember the big fat retirement­s... of our so-called representa­tives in DC, but our interests don't get represente­d!!"

seems like i remember something i learned in history class about "taxation without representa­tion"...if i could only remember what it was, hmmmm
02:02 PM on 04/28/2011
When these guys get outside Foggy Bottom and can't sniff their own exhaust they seem surprised that not all the sheep are submissive.
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TC Mits
Cogito ergo democratia sum.
03:59 PM on 04/28/2011
Ted, very good and welcome. Fan #2 for you.