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Late Returns: Fred Karger Locked Out Of Debate

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First Posted: 04/28/11 07:09 PM ET Updated: 06/28/11 06:12 AM ET

As we've mentioned before, Fred Karger, the longtime Republican consultant who's running a long-shot campaign for the GOP nomination in order to bring attention to the rights of his fellow members of the LGBT community, has been invited to participate in the May debate in South Carolina, but is having a hard time surmounting the obstacles to entry that are in his way. Because of this, he's been unable to officially "accept" the invitation. In a letter to the debate's organizers, Karger makes his case:

First, thank you all very much for my invitation to the May 5, 2011 South Carolina Republican Presidential Debate in Greenville. I was honored to be invited, but your criteria were apparently designed to keep me off of the stage at the Peace Center next Thursday night.

One of the matters he brings up is that "in order to be in the South Carolina debate, 'one must have garnered at least an average of 1% in five national polls based on most recent polling.'" That's been an obstacle for Karger, mainly because the campaign season is still in its nascent stages, and polling is all over the map. Per Karger:

A random sample of national polls show the difficulty pollsters are having in the current Republican primary cycle. Each poll includes a wide array of different names, many of whom have not indicated the slightest interest in running for President in 2012. Poll results are skewed dramatically, and many candidates and potential candidates are often left off these "traditional polls" completely.

Buddy Roemer and I have been left off nearly every national poll. Neither of us meets your requirement of "garnering 1% in five national polls," because he and I have not been in five national polls. Yet Buddy Roemer is scheduled to be in Thursday's debate, and I am not.

If this is the case, than Roemer should clearly not be billed as a participant. (I wouldn't be surprised if a sustained effort to poll on Roemer failed to yield the necessary one percent, as Roemer has been off the radar completely in the past few weeks.)

Karger goes on to point out that he's taken home some wins in straw polls and the like. One of the best things he has going for him is that he won the Saint Anselm College Republicans straw poll, beating out Mitt Romney. But I did a double take when I saw the list of polling success he cited:

I have, however, been included in numerous online and straw polls. The reach of these polls is far greater, they are not limited to a small sample of landline participants, they include more younger people and overall better reflect voter opinion.

I won the St. Anselm New Hampshire Straw Poll on March 31, 2011. Voters from eight different states participated. New Hampshire's WMUR TV reported on my win over Mitt Romney, Donald Trump, Tim Pawlenty, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum: CLICK HERE

Below are polls that have included me, two of which I won:

1. White House 2012 Poll April 18, 2011 Fred Karger: 2%
2. Huffington Post Poll April 15, 2011 Fred Karger: 12%* (3rd of 17)
3. Huffington Post Poll April 1, 2011 Fred Karger 16%* (2nd of 17)
4. St Anselm College Straw Poll March 31, 2011 Fred Karger: 25%
5. SodaHead Opinions March 12, 2011 Fred Karger: 78%

*estimated percentages

See those two "Huffington Post Polls?" Those refer to our week-end 2012 Speculatron Round-Up Slideshow, and the results compiled by people who vote on particular slides. Which is great! Fred Karger understands how important our 2012 Speculatron Round-Up is! I almost do not have the heart to tell him that there is absolutely no polling science whatsoever being applied to the slideshow. Elyse and I are just curious about whether or not people would vote on slides if we gave them the chance. I'm not sure we've even assigned any qualitative parameters to the polls. We just sort of wanted to give people the option to click on things, if they wanted.

What I'm trying to say is that where most polls have a "margin of error," our poll sort of has a "margin of relevance." So, if you've been voting for Fred Karger in our poll because you're interested in him becoming President, good for you! But if you actually want to help him make the debate, you should probably contact the South Carolina GOP and tell them to let him in. But thanks for reading!

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As President Barack Obama sends out his first fundraising email of the 2012 campaign ("You also know we have not yet done everything we set out to do -- not nearly...Can you make an investment of $250 today and have an even greater impact in 2012?"), a new Gallup poll finds that a "plurality of Americans say the nation is currently mired in a depression, and a majority believe it's at best a recession." [Ben Smith; Raw Story]

Mitch Daniels "slapped down" a rumor that he's going to announce his decision about the 2012 campaign this weekend. "You can't announce a decision you haven't made," says Daniels, who seems unaware of the fact that we can still write stories about them. [Taegan Goddard's Political Wire]

Trump: he's vlogging now. Great. Also: something about "Snazzle Snaxxs?" For eff's sake. [Wonkette; Politico]

Justin Elliott reminds us of the time before Birtherism, when the GOP actually wanted to have a presidential candidate who wasn't born in the United States, but rather socialist Europe, with its bicycles and long vacations and government handouts and funny hats and other stuff like that. [War Room @ Salon]

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As we've mentioned before, Fred Karger, the longtime Republican consultant who's running a long-shot campaign for the GOP nomination in order to bring attention to the rights of his fellow members of ...
As we've mentioned before, Fred Karger, the longtime Republican consultant who's running a long-shot campaign for the GOP nomination in order to bring attention to the rights of his fellow members of ...
 
 
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Estreet1964
Gimmie the beat boys and free my soul....
11:25 AM on 05/02/2011
So, you can't figure out the difference in a relationship with a beloved Uncle to that of an intimate partner?

I don't even want to know the details of your familial relations.
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toffee
God fearing Tea Partier
01:20 AM on 04/30/2011
Tea party conservatives will NOT allow a gay activist meddling in our presidential process.

This is the party of God fearings. No room for those people.

Go away.
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ydnas639
I want my country forward
04:07 PM on 04/29/2011
Live, off-stage, it's Fred Karger. Mr. Karger will, again, be doing his imitation of a snowflake on satan's throne.
01:01 PM on 04/29/2011
This takes the Groucho Marx "I wouldn't want to be part of a club that would have me as a member" to a whole new level.
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grilledturbot
If youve got a business.you didn’t build that
12:58 PM on 04/29/2011
After reading this I checked before writing. I'm curious because I live in Greenville. Well, surprise surprise but there's no bias going on with the debate. What I understand is Roemer has been climbing in the polls (no I don't know which polls) But Karger apparently isn't even a blip on the radar screen, at least not yet. Everyone understands there has to be at least a little notoriety if for no other reason just to confirm the seriousness of a potential candidate. This article seems like it was written because of the LBGT connection. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see comments that Karger is excluded for that reason but it's not so. If Karger is thinking of using that platform to seek attention or in this case participation in the debate (I'm not saying he is!) I don't believe it will work, nor should it.
12:24 PM on 04/29/2011
Shouldn't there be a set of criteria for a candidate to join a debate, and that's that? If you make the cut you're in, if not- you're out. South Carolina, like Iowa, is hypocritical in its approach to these GOP debates. They allow some people in and ban some people, regardless of the criteria they have set. The FEC is looking into the Iowa GOP for illegal and discriminatory election practices, after they ignore their own criteria and refuse to allow Fred in because, literally, the old guy running it doesn't like him. They have also refused to let in Ron Paul before... not cool!
11:35 AM on 04/29/2011
michael s lev in son is an independent write-in candidate for president.

He states, that upon election he will seek out 2-4 gay couples from all fifty states and invite them to the White House for an out doors mass wedding on the White House lawn which he, as president will write the vows, and with written approval from the DC mayor, and at least one member of the Supreme Court, relative to his authority as president to conduct an "official" wedding ceremony, marry them.

That will be followed with a grand party and then all can return to their states and carry on the battle for equality under the law. Lev will be elected. There will be a mass wedding as above.

The president is single. He promises a White House wedding in his 2nd term. The couples to be married on the lawn are urged to bring wedding presents for the president, even though he doesn't even have a committee to vet possible future brides. He needs oxford cloth shirts and 100 % cotton socks.
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Ember Firedog
A satiated micro-bio is not empty.
10:44 AM on 04/29/2011
There may be many, many better and more appropriate forums for Mr. Karger to draw attention to the rights of his fellow members of the LGBT community.
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10:27 AM on 04/29/2011
I would like to hear what he has to say more than what Trump does.
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billstu
Doing the least if not less
10:13 AM on 04/29/2011
Im so sick of Gay people ... SHUT UP!!! and go about your business ... you are no special class to be represented ... shouldn't people with down syndrome have special representation ... geez ...
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Margot707
"Liberal" is not a dirty word
10:30 AM on 04/29/2011
"shouldn't people with down syndrome have special representa­tion ... "

They do. It's called the ADA and more lately the Matthew Shepard ACT - which finally includes LGBT. There is more legislation AGAINST gays, than protect us. Pretty hateful, aren't you...
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je7374
Restore Unions and Restore the future
11:42 AM on 04/29/2011
bill sees this entire thing as another group of people that conservatives are losing control over.
MRITechnologist
your micro bio is empty as a GOTPers soul
10:33 AM on 04/29/2011
I would guess that if you shut off your TV and don't get online you would have no contact with the gay community. The world does not have to adjust to you.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
01:01 PM on 04/29/2011
But Faux News tells him he's "special".
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
10:06 AM on 04/29/2011
The GOP certainly wants the gay vote, but giving a platform to someone who isn't anti-gay would just be too awkward for them. It would force them to clearly state where the stand on gay issues, which they are loathe to do since they know it will cost them votes.
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jimmygeewhiz
is it 4/20 yet?
09:59 AM on 04/29/2011
Had Karger announced that he was an ordained member of the Tin Man of the GotPee Birthers Socialists Society for the Rich he would have bought himself a position on the stage. Being an outsider is a blueprint for exclusion.
Grunty1
Micro-bio this
09:56 AM on 04/29/2011
Who?
 
According to the article, he's a Rushpublican Gay rights activist? "Chicken for Col. Sanders"?
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Margot707
"Liberal" is not a dirty word
10:33 AM on 04/29/2011
I always thought being Republican and gay is an oxymoron. Unless you're Larry Craig. Then you're just a mor on.
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UserNameJane
Does my micro bio make my butt look big
11:12 AM on 04/29/2011
Too funny
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unionave
Old Codger
09:35 AM on 04/29/2011
Republican Presidential candidate Allen Keys was arrested for trying join a Republican Presidential debate . He was denied entry by the other Republican candidates and after virtually being hit in the head with a large piece of lumber he still doesn't get the Republican message .
But when Senator Obama was campaigning for the Presidency the Republicans dragged Keys out of his corner made him a front runner . He turned out to be "road kill" in that campaign .
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Bude
My Brain Hurts!
09:17 AM on 04/29/2011
Fred Kruger is running for president of the United States?