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University of California Seeking Out-Of-State Students

University Of California

TERENCE CHEA   04/30/11 04:07 PM ET   AP

SAN FRANCISCO — The University of California is looking for out-of-state solutions to its money problems.

Faced with sharp cuts in state funding, the 10-campus system is ramping up its campaign to recruit high-paying students from other states and countries, even as record numbers of California students seek a UC education.

For a second year, UC officials in April reported a significant increase in out-of-state and international students admitted for the coming fall term, with the biggest jumps at its most selective campuses in Berkeley, Los Angeles and San Diego. Accepted students must notify schools by May 1 if they plan to enroll.

UC charges students from outside California nearly $35,000 in annual tuition, about three times what state residents pay.

But the university's push to attract more nonresidents is fueling resentment among California students and families who have worked for years to gain admission to one of the country's top public university systems.

Kevin Arriola, a senior at Lincoln High School in San Francisco, says he's disappointed he was only accepted at one of the four UC campuses where he applied, Santa Cruz. He wonders whether he and his classmates were squeezed out by out-of-staters.

"It's probably a reason why a lot of students weren't able to get into UC schools," said Arriola, 17. "They're probably looking to find more students that are willing to pay more."

UC is not the only public university system trying to boost out-of-state enrollment as it grapples with rising costs and shrinking government support. Public universities in cash-strapped states such as Arizona, Texas and Washington have also announced plans to import more students.

While state colleges have been steadily expanding nonresident enrollment for years, the economic downturn has accelerated the trend, experts say.

"From a national perspective, it's almost a collective breach of the promise that states had made to their residents," said Barmak Nassirian, associate executive director at the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers. "It has become a fairly obvious reaction at public institutions that are attempting to cope with state budget cuts."

Flagship universities in states such as Vermont and Wisconsin have long recruited nonresidents because they're in slow-growth states that don't produce enough high-caliber students to fill their campuses.

But the University of California serves a state with a growing young population, plenty of highly qualified students and strong demand for higher education.

"We have huge educational demands in California," said Pat Callan, who heads the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education. "It gives the impression that the university is turning away from California because the bucks aren't here like they used to be."

UC stands to lose at least $500 million in state funding and possibly much more as California seeks to close another massive budget shortfall. The California State University system and California Community Colleges are also facing deep cuts.

Newly released UC data show that 18 percent of admitted students for fall 2011 were nonresidents, up from 14 percent last year and less than 12 percent two years ago. They made up 23 percent of admissions at San Diego, 30 percent at UCLA and 31 percent at Berkeley.

UC reported a slight increase in the number of California residents accepted to at least one of the UC campuses where they applied, but more were rejected by their first- and second-choice schools, and more were placed on wait lists.

Jane Suh said she's surprised her son Tyler, a top student and musician at Napa High School, didn't get accepted at Berkeley or UCLA. He's now considering private colleges in other states.

"I had really hoped that he would have gotten into UCLA or Cal so we would have that option if we didn't have the money to send him to private school," Suh said. "Because it's our school system, if our children want to go to it, they should have first-priority access."

Out-of-state students enroll at a lower rate than state residents so university officials expect them to make up less than the 10 percent UC-wide target recently set by school administrators. Currently, only about 6 percent of UC undergraduates are from outside California.

UC officials say out-of-state students increase campus diversity and bring in additional revenue that improves the quality of education for all students. Nonresidents still face a higher academic standard than residents, but not as high as they did before, said Pamela Burnett, interim director of undergraduate admissions.

"The out-of-state students are paying their own way, and there are seats those students can take advantage of," Burnett said. "We would be admitting more California residents if there was more state funding to admit them."

Gerna Benz, co-owner of the consulting group Bay Area College Planners, said he is seeing more high-achieving students rejected by UC campuses that may have accepted them a few years ago, leaving families angry and frustrated.

"They're exasperated," Benz said. "They feel it's not fair that their taxes aren't even enabling their students to get a public education."

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JoeBlough
The Horror. . .The Horror. . .
06:31 PM on 05/02/2011
It's a business. It should be run as a business. You sell your product for what the market will bear. Education is a privilege, not a right.
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Amalek
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07:00 AM on 05/02/2011
I was speaking recently to the President of a Colorado university.  He said that the level of state support had dropped to the point where they really should be asking whether they want it at all.   If they were to give up state status, they could charge market rates of tuition to all students  and make more money.
Mildmannered
"Be excellent to each other"
01:32 AM on 05/02/2011
Admission standards are higher for out-of-state students than in-state?
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Moravecglobal
01:10 AM on 05/04/2011
UC Berkeley Chancellor Birgeneau displaces qualified californians for public university education with $50,000 out of state and foreign students,
It's the money...not the admission criteria in California
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Moravecglobal
10:01 PM on 05/01/2011
Funding is University of California NOT a public problem.(The author who has 35 years’ consulting experience, has taught at University of California Berkeley)
Cal. Chancellor’s gross over spending, inept decisions: recruits (using California tax $) out of state $50,000 tuition students that displace qualified Californians; spends $7,000,000 for consultants to do his & many vice chancellors jobs (prominent East Coast university accomplishing same at 0 cost); pays ex Michigan governor $300,000 for lectures; Latino enrollment drops while out of state jumps 2010; tuition to Return on Investment (ROI) drops below top 10; NCAA places basketball program on probation.
It’s not that Birgeneau was unaware that there were, in fact, waste & inefficiencies during his 8 year reign. Faculty & staff raised issues with Birgeneau & Breslauer ($400,000 salary), but when they failed to see relevant action taken, they stopped. Finally, Birgeneau engaged some expensive ($7,000,000) consultants to tell him & the Provost what they should have known as leaders or been able to find out from the bright, engaged people. (Prominent east-coast University accomplishing same at 0 costs)
Cal. and Californians have been badly damaged by Chancellor Birgeneau. Good people are loosing their jobs. Cal’s leadership is either incompetent or culpable. Merely cutting out inefficiencies does not have the effect desired. But you never want a crisis to go to waste.
Increasing Cal’s budget is not enough; we believe the best course of action for University of California is to honorably retire Cal Chancellor Birgeneau ($500,000 salary)
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Amalek
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07:01 AM on 05/02/2011
OK, Grandpa,  back to Fox News for you.
05:23 PM on 05/02/2011
You've cogently and specifically answered every point he raised. I'm ashamed of my self for questioning whether Liberal Arts Majors were trained to think in college
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Moravecglobal
07:32 PM on 05/01/2011
Out of state $50,000 tuition students do NOT solve University of California Berkeley senior management leadership problems. (The author who has 35 years’ consulting experience, has taught at University of California Berkeley, where he was able to observe the culture & the way senior management work)

Cal. Chancellor’s gross over spending, inept decisions: recruits (using California tax $) out of state $50,000 tuition students that displace qualified Californians; spends $7,000,000 for consultants to do his & many vice chancellors jobs (prominent East Coast university accomplishing same at 0 cost); pays ex Michigan governor $300,000 for lectures; Latino enrollment drops while out of state jumps 2010; tuition to Return on Investment (ROI) drops below top 10; NCAA places basketball program on probation..
there was no money left.
Finally, Birgeneau engaged some expensive ($7,000,000) consultants to tell him & the Provost what they should have known as leaders or been able to find out from the bright, engaged people. (Prominent east-coast University accomplishing same at 0 costs)

Cal. and Californians have been badly damaged by Chancellor Birgeneau. Good people are loosing their jobs. Cal’s leadership is either incompetent or culpable. Merely cutting out inefficiencies does not have the effect desired. But you never want a crisis to go to waste.

Increasing Cal’s budget is not enough; we believe the best course of action for University of California is to honorably retire Cal Chancellor Birgeneau ($500,000 salary)
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06:43 PM on 05/01/2011
This is not a surprise. I am thankful I have my degree from UC already.
The priorities of CA are shameful and apparently Mr. Brown believes he can gut the UC system.
He seems to prefer rewarding prison guards.
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08:18 PM on 05/01/2011
I agree about the prison guards. But the lack of any willingness to raise revenue from the wealthiest who have done the best is squarely on Republican shoulders.
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dbrett480
09:36 PM on 05/01/2011
You criticize governor Brown rewarding prison guards when the UC system when the starting pay for a CO is $45,000 (the top pay is $73,000). UC professors are paid a lot more than that when the pay for a professor at a CSU or Community college is a lot lower AND they teach the exact same subjects.

The UC system can be reformed by changing it's priorities to science, research, and technology on a graduate level scale. There is no good reason for multiple UC schools to offer bachelor degrees in English, arts, humanities, etc. when the same degree can be obtained at a CSU school for much cheaper.
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03:15 PM on 05/02/2011
This seems to be your big issue. The UC system is not going to be turned into a science/engineering institution only. Even the scientists and engineers at UC support the need for diversity.

UC profs are paid a lot more because it is a higher tier level institution and the competition for an open position might generate hundreds of applications, mostly from Harvard, MIT, Stanford grads, etc.

What you propose will never happen and most CA people would prefer to see reductions in prison costs. Let's get aligned with TX or AZ for prison costs.
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cybolt
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04:31 PM on 05/01/2011
So residents support these schools with their taxes, with their attendance at sports and arts events, with charity and donations, but when it comes time to send your kid to one... sorry, no slots open.

Actually, that's about right for the direction this state has been going.
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cybolt
This Space for Rent
04:28 PM on 05/01/2011
Didn't this story run several weeks ago?
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mountainweb
Conservative Commonsense
04:27 PM on 05/01/2011
Wow, maybe it would make sense to STOP giving education away to ILLEGAL ALIENS, oh wait, this is California. Land controlled by the democratic party who if caught doing something stupid, trys to blame in on Republicans....
12:56 PM on 05/01/2011
Like the American proverb "gold is where you find it," increased revenue is where you find it so you can't blame university leaders for trying to keep their fiscal boat afloat by recruiting those willing to pay the higher tuition. A side economic benefit is to the state and local area is the additional dollars these out-of-staters will spend in the local economy for food, lodging, entertainment, transportation, and all the other costs of living for the years they live there while completing their education. And while they're spending all this money in California, few of them will add to the state's strain on medical care, nursing homes, correctional facilities, elementary education, etc., etc., etc. In short, it's both a heads we win and a tails we don't lose situation to move California a step down the road toward much needed fiscal recovery. And there are so many political reasons not to fill in-stater slots with out-of-staters, that's it's more of a perceived issue than a real issue. Richard Buckles, Edvantage Solutions
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Viper1st
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12:54 PM on 05/01/2011
Eleven states offer in-state post-secondary tuition to illegal foreign nationals ~ reportedly, California's annual cost of their program runs $208 million yearly
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Amalek
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07:03 AM on 05/02/2011
I challenge you to prove that.   

If the kid was born in America he is not an illegal, even if his parents were.
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
10:13 AM on 05/02/2011
Challenge what?

Eleven states offer in-state post-secondary tuition ot illegal foreign nationals?

or

California's annual cost of their programs runs $208 million yearl?

wrong thread, maybe?
10:30 AM on 05/01/2011
Instead of forcing it's kids into the lower tier campuses of the University of California, the Regents should allow the students to essentially "buy up" to either a better campus, or the campus of choice. I can guarantee you that for every out of state applicant wiling to pay the $22,000.00 tuition there is an in state child who would be willing to do the same, and should have the opportunity to do so, first. And if we are as diverse as our politicians claim, there should be no real need to look outside of our state for different applicants
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Amalek
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07:03 AM on 05/02/2011
It leads to the Republican solution.  No state support.  Education only for the rich, which helps to sustain the plutocracy.
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healthanalyst
Banned from commenting, so?
04:42 AM on 05/01/2011
You can get residency after a year in California. As long as you're a US citizen. But foreign students pay up front, and lose their student visa they're shipped home.
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
01:03 PM on 05/01/2011
Then, upon graduation w/a degree, any U.S. Employer hiring an illegal w/o a SSN risks federal felony charges, jail time and/or monetary fines of up to $10,000

U.S.C. 8 § 1324a : US Code - Section 1324A: Unlawful employment of aliens

In part ~

(a) Making employment of unauthorized aliens unlawful
(1) In general
It is unlawful for a person or other entity -
(A) to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment
in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an
unauthorized alien (as defined in subsection (h)(3) of this
section) with respect to such employment, or
(B)(i) to hire for employment in the United States an
individual without complying with the requirements of
subsection (b) of this section or (ii) if the person or entity
is an agricultural association, agricultural employer, or farm
labor contractor (as defined in section 1802 of title 29), to
hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the
United States an individual without complying with the
requirements of subsection (b) of this section.
(2) Continuing employment
It is unlawful for a person or other entity, after hiring an
alien for employment in accordance with paragraph (1), to
continue to employ the alien in the United States knowing the
alien is (or has become) an unauthorized alien with respect to
such employment.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1324a

All for notta
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03:36 AM on 05/01/2011
The schools do not have the money they need to adequately function.
The State spends approximately the same amount on illegal aliens as the amount of the budget shortfall. The same students that thought illegal aliens should be allowed to go to school in California now find they have to pay more to go to school.
I do feel sorry for the students that had the increased costs forced on them even though they disagreed with the loud radicals.
03:12 AM on 05/01/2011
Just as we are entering into a progressive culture that would favor increased taxes, especially on the wealthy, this move to disenfranchise state resident students from the tax-supported public schools their families support undermines such politics. Instead -- now -- the University is creating an argument for middle and working class families to appeal to have their taxes lowered to meet the reality of their children being overlooked. Taxation without Representation--that is what the UC is resorting to.