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Apple's Steve Wozniak: Computers Will Teach Kids

First Posted: 05/03/11 08:27 PM ET Updated: 07/03/11 06:12 AM ET

Steve Wozniak

SAN JOSE, California (Reuters) - Apple Inc co-founder Steve Wozniak has an idea that could help fix the U.S. public education system: computers, of course.

Technology is getting to the point where devices are built today that have all the sensors humans have -- of movement, eyesight and hearing, although they are still far from replacing human teachers, he said.

"We're getting closer to where you can make devices that become a friend and not just a computerized textbook," he told chip engineers at an event in Silicon Valley on Tuesday.

Faced with big budget gaps, states and school districts may have to make budget cuts that affect class sizes, curriculum and teachers' salaries. Since public schools are heavily funded by states, they typically bear the brunt of the cuts.

Wozniak, who founded Apple Computer in 1976 with Steve Jobs and Ronald Wayne, said education systems have not adapted to children's needs, with schools adhering to a top-down teaching philosophy.

"If you had 30 teachers in a class with 30 students, they'd all get individual attention and be moving at their own paces," Wozniak said. "So I think someday a computer could possibly be a teacher."

One qualification that Wozniak brings to his thoughts on education: he secretly taught elementary school for eight years.

"School in itself is pretty much a restrictive force on creativity," he said. "When you come to class, you do the exact same pages in the book, the same hours as everyone else in the class. You don't go off in your own little directions."

"That is not the way of the future," he said. "Lot of kids get lost in our school system."

The lifelong hands-on engineer, who stopped working for Apple in 1987, but is still on the payroll, serves as chief scientist for start-up Fusion-io, which says its technology speeds up data processing.

Wozniak was key in building the Apple I and Apple II computers that helped revolutionize personal computing. Popularly knows as "Woz," he gained most of his engineering knowledge from his father and from tinkering with computers late into the night in his bedroom.

"I never had a textbook for this stuff," he said.

(Reporting by Poornima Gupta and Noel Randewich. Editing by Robert MacMillan)

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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
06:07 AM on 05/06/2011
When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. Technology is a tool, not a solution.
02:31 PM on 05/06/2011
Typical teacher, hasn't figured out that a microprocessor with 50,000,000 transistors is more complicated than a nail. Tell that nonsense to IBM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLR1byL0U8M

Ten years ago there was a Linux book published talking about the planned obsolescence of computer software. Our educators aren't talking about the planned obsolescence of automobiles even though John Kenneth Galbraith was writing about it in 1959.

Of course teachers may have to worry about how good a job computers can do.

http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/rt/printerFriendly/507/428.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
03:05 PM on 05/06/2011
You seem simple minded. Humans can create our own "software". A computer may be able to calculate numbers all day, but it doesn't understand what it's doing. Humans can understand what exactly they are doing, and can learn from it.
Highly simplified, self-awareness is a symptom of a neural network which has advanced suffiently to work beyond certain 'speeds' or a number of processors. If you took sime time away from your Playstation you might actually learn something.
04:23 PM on 05/05/2011
Sure, the simple fact of the matter is that we don't know how to best use the computers for education yet but there are no doubt plenty of people with an incentive to sabotage the effort.

Our professional educators cannot suggest that 700 year old double-entry accounting be mandatory in high school or create a national recommended reading list.

So parents may need to explore what can be done with computers for educational purposes without guidance from educators. How much is a $300 netbook compared to a year's tuition at a good private high school?

But consider the social problems. If lots of poor kids can benefit a lot from cheap computers then will the expensive schools offer that much of an advantage? Are we at the cusp of an educational paradigm shift?

http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/500/421

Have we just not been told what was possible since 1987?.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
06:00 AM on 05/06/2011
Technology is not a panacea nor is it a savior of the poor.
01:57 PM on 05/06/2011
Who claimed anything was a panacea? Just because it isn't a panacea doesn't mean it can't be far more useful than what our educators are failing to do.

They can't even suggest that 700 year old double-entry accounting should have been mandatory in our high schools for decades.

Of course there are always people coming up with excuses to do nothing. That technology makes public domain e-books accessible. Do you object to books too?

Subversive Dallas McCord Reynolds
http://www.manybooks.net/titles/reynoldsd2319723197-8.html.
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CanisLatrans
Progressive/2nd Amendment Jewish Iraq war vet.
04:15 PM on 05/05/2011
Well, since it is unlikely that a computer will believe in Creationism or Intelligent Design, I'm looking for the downside.

Mmm, nope, not finding it.
05:40 PM on 05/07/2011
Pftt, that's one reason that is wrong with it.
Also what happens if there is a powercut? That would kill the "teacher"...
How will a computer handle an unruly student?
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CanisLatrans
Progressive/2nd Amendment Jewish Iraq war vet.
11:41 AM on 05/08/2011
I don't know how a computer program would handle an unruly student; obviously the interactive software isn't there yet. People here seem to think I'm talking about doing this RIGHT NOW whereas I have been consistently saying it would be in the future when interactive and intuitive software is better developed. Probably an unruly student would simply not log in (ie, play hooky) and there'd be other social controls for that, just like a real teacher doesn't leave the classroom to hunt individual students.

A power cut? Really? Have we lost battery technology utterly? Hey, how about this-- what if it snows really heavily, and the school is closed?

But then you think it is unfortunate that a computer couldn't believe in Creation or Intelligent Design, so your pov on this is already revealed to be silly.
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mikey09
Living off the grid.
11:57 AM on 05/05/2011
Would not be surprised if technology doesn't make the brick and mortor school buildings a thing of the past before to many more years....saw where Philly is talking 4 day school week, California chopping a month off of school....times are changing...we need options
11:46 AM on 05/05/2011
Please, a computer can be used as a tool in much the same way a calculator, a ruler, or a dictionary can be used. They help us solve problems quicker, but they can never actually teach us, or more importantly give students the discipline and feedback students need to thrive.
10:38 AM on 05/05/2011
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard from anybody. The kids will be playing games and listening to music and learning wrong info off of the internet... More dumbing down is not what schools need. If you want to fix the schools the one word nobody mentions is the answer: PARENTS. If parents are involved in their children's schools the children take school more seriously. If parents are not involved education is 50/50 proposal. Woz is delusional.
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CanisLatrans
Progressive/2nd Amendment Jewish Iraq war vet.
04:18 PM on 05/05/2011
Actually, in the near future, we could have game programming so good and interactive/intuitive that kids will be learning while playing a game. They may actually end up liking it.

And since we'd be at it, have in-game characters respond in different ways depending on the rudeness or politeness of the player...
04:59 PM on 05/05/2011
A. Where is this magical game? We have been using edu-game software for the past twenty years and the kids hate them. The moment your eyes are off of the child they are on some single shooter game, chatting, texting, emailing or whatever. This is a delusional fantasy.
10:20 AM on 05/05/2011
Right on Woz!

But this was already demonstrated in 1987,

http://fir­stmonday.o­rg/htbin/c­giwrap/bin­/ojs/index­.php/fm/ar­ticle/view­/500/421

The computer industry wants to make money off the educational system. If they implement things in a way that educators perceive as a threat they will get resistance. Maybe this idea needs to be sold straight to the parents.

But the schools control the CREDENTIALS.

The kids need to value relevant knowledge to see when the schools are pushing BS. How important is Shakespeare in a world with lasers, satellites, fusion bombs and of course COMPUTERS.

Asimov told us in 1951:

http://users.aber.ac.uk/dgc/funtheyhad.html.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
06:03 AM on 05/06/2011
Technuts have no understanding of what it takes to be a full and well rounded human being. Your moronic comments about Shakespeare reveal your stunted deficient existence.
02:06 PM on 05/06/2011
"Tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church door but 'tis enough."

I will certainly die from that fatal quip.

That technology makes it possible to download Shakespeare from Public Domain sources by the way. LOL

The Comedy of Errors
The Works of William Shakespeare
http://www.manybooks.net/titles/shakespe2304623046-8.html

Yeah, Liberal Arts geniuses are SO IMPRESSIVE. Liberal Arts did get us to the Moon after all..
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El Chingaso
Fighting for mental superiority...
01:26 AM on 05/05/2011
Just think how much cash school districts -- not to mention taxpayers -- could save by cutting loose all of the teachers. Incompetent, six-figures-a-year administrators and their talking, feeling, course instructing robotic plastic boxes could create even more fast food establishment workers.

And robots won't need those pesky unions, sick pay hours, annual vacations, health benefits and, best of all, retirement pensions! A couple of IT guys -- at only $50K per year -- could keep the whole school running...square into the ground. Great one, Woz.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
06:04 AM on 05/06/2011
Simple minds seek simple answers.
10:26 PM on 05/04/2011
Sorry, computers can't initiate critical thought. Nothing replaces a teacher who knows the subject. There are computer programs for almost every subject. Sometimes students are accelerated in courses with these methods when they are gifted. Computers are a tool. A student can work an algebra program, but the computer can't discuss it with you and assess how well your understanding of it is. Teachers are facilitators of learning.
10:13 AM on 05/05/2011
Most teachers do not initiate critical thinking.

What The Woz is saying was demonstrated at Vero Beach High School in Florida in 1987.

http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/500/421

Been there done that!
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
06:05 AM on 05/06/2011
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Spend a year in the classroom before you make such ridiculous claims.
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CanisLatrans
Progressive/2nd Amendment Jewish Iraq war vet.
05:11 PM on 05/05/2011
Thanks to "No Child Left Behind", teachers cannot initiate critical thought, and they don't have time to immerse students in a knowledge of the subject. They have to teach to the test in a nice, quick factory-line way to process them through as efficiently as possible, so they can be good little consumers.
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AJOHMSS
I came, I saw, I concurred.
07:58 PM on 05/04/2011
Computers teaching kids?

No!

That's TV's job.
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listentome
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are !
07:16 PM on 05/04/2011
Great, just great. Just what we need, one more thing to get rid of human jobs.
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thesciguy
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05:34 PM on 05/04/2011
In the very near future, students will get the majority of their "core" courses from online sources (option 2 in NJ anyone?). A motivated student (especially with motivated parents (affluent communities anyone?), could get through most of HS math and science in 2 summer vacations.

The future role of a teacher in this scenario will be to provide the value added component to the core courses. A lab curriculum for the science core for example, or an applied math series for the math core. Elective topics and courses are potentially limitless and can not be addressed by pre-packaged online curricula.

A return to real mentors and student apprenticeship would be a welcome change to our education system.

Move to computers? YES!
Replace motivated, experienced teachers? Never.
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CanisLatrans
Progressive/2nd Amendment Jewish Iraq war vet.
05:13 PM on 05/05/2011
It would work only if the content is truly knowledge-based, useful, relevant, and credentialed. Right now I am against online schools because they are pushed by the business class for profit, and to get rid of "lazy" teachers (all of which also seem to somehow be "incompetent" as well).
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03:37 PM on 05/04/2011
We're heading to that sterile, virtual reality world faster than you may wish Wozniak. I for one am delighted I won't be here to see it.
02:48 PM on 05/04/2011
I'm not endorsing this idea at all, but I have had some teachers where a computer wouldn't have been any worse!

Damn, how dismal must someone's life be that a device will become their friend? Good grief. Instead of giving people like that a device, shouldn't we give them some help instead?
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Versh
02:38 PM on 05/04/2011
So I should just piss on this education degree then huh Steve?