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States Urge U.S. Appeals Court To Overturn Health Care Reform

Health Care Repeal

GREG BLUESTEIN   05/ 4/11 09:19 PM ET   AP

ATLANTA — More than two dozen states challenging the health care overhaul urged a U.S. appeals court on Wednesday to strike down the Obama administration's landmark law, arguing it far exceeds the federal government's powers.

The motion, filed on behalf of 26 states, urges the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta to uphold a Florida federal judge's ruling that the overhaul's core requirement is unconstitutional. The judge, U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson, said Congress cannot require nearly all Americans to carry health insurance.

Allowing the law to go forward, the states argued in the 69-page filing, would set a troubling precedent that "would imperil individual liberty, render Congress's other enumerated powers superfluous, and allow Congress to usurp the general police power reserved to the states."

So far, three federal judges, all Democratic appointees, have upheld the law. Vinson and the Virginia judge, both Republicans appointees, ruled against it. It seems certain that the broad health care challenge will be resolved only by the nation's top court, and Vinson suggested in a March ruling that the "Supreme Court may eventually be split on this issue as well."

The filing comes about a month after the Justice Department formally appealed Vinson's ruling, arguing that Congress had the power to require most people to buy health insurance or face tax penalties because Congress has the authority to regulate interstate business.

The legal wrangling started when the states filed a lawsuit last year. Vinson agreed in a Jan. 31 ruling that said the entire health care overhaul passed by the then-Democratic-controlled Congress and signed by President Barack Obama is unconstitutional. It is considered the most sweeping ruling against the health care law.

His ruling followed the same reasoning as one last year from a federal judge in Virginia who struck down the insurance requirement. But the Florida judge's ruling also invalidated provisions ranging from Medicare discounts for seniors with high prescription drug costs to a change that allows adult children up to age 26 to remain on their parents' coverage.

At the center of Vinson's ruling and the subsequent legal filings is the legality of the requirement that Americans carry health insurance except in cases of financial hardship. Those who cannot show they are covered by an employer, government program or their own policy would face fines from the Internal Revenue Service when the program takes effect in 2014.

The federal government argued that the requirement is a "quintessential exercise" of the legislative branch's powers, but the states that oppose it countered Wednesday that the mandate is an "indefensible" and unprecedented move by Congress.

The law, it said, "imposes a direct mandate upon individuals to obtain health insurance, marking by all accounts the first time in our nation's history that Congress has required individuals to enter into commerce as a condition of living in the United States."

The National Federation of Independent Business, which also challenged the law, filed a separate motion on Wednesday. It claimed the legislation imposes "an extraordinary duty on Americans to enter into costly and unwanted health-insurance contracts" without any constitutional authority to do so.

Some states have cited Vinson's decision in refusing to cooperate with the health care law, but the judge ordered states to continue implementing the law while the case makes its way through the courts.

A randomly selected three-judge 11th Circuit panel is set to consider oral arguments on the case in June, and the states' challenge will be led by Paul Clement, a former U.S. solicitor general under President George W. Bush.

Clement resigned in April from Atlanta-based law firm King & Spalding after it decided to drop its work defending the federal gay marriage ban, saying he was upset the firm withdrew "in the face of hostile criticism." He joined another firm, Bancroft PLLC, and the states said in court filings Wednesday that Clement will continue to lead the case.

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ATLANTA — More than two dozen states challenging the health care overhaul urged a U.S. appeals court on Wednesday to strike down the Obama administration's landmark law, arguing it far exceeds t...
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ClarkOHrepub
BO & Co have Gotta Go!
02:46 PM on 05/31/2011
For anyone wanting to truly reduce health care costs...I ask you refer to the HP List of Top 10 Paying jobs.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/20/top-ten-highest-paid-jobs_n_864907.html#s281484
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msblynne
doesn't hate or fear science
08:56 PM on 05/29/2011
How much you want to bet that the vast majority of these states are the US States with the highest numbers of their people living in poverty. http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2009/tables.html And lowest numbers of college graduates. It is a vicious cycle, ignorance does not bring wisdom but allows these people to foolishly be talked in to voting against their own interests.
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Randian Roark
Perishing from the orgy...
11:06 PM on 05/29/2011
"Democracy is a form of government that cannot long survive, for as soon as the people learn that they have a voice in the fiscal policies of the government, they will move to vote for themselves all the money in the treasury, and bankrupt the nation."

--Karl Marx

Perhaps they are smarter than you think.
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msblynne
doesn't hate or fear science
11:23 PM on 05/29/2011
Ha ha ha. That comment is far more applicable to the congresspeople voting for their "Bridges to Nowhere." With Health Reform we are talking about a program that will at least start cutting the deficit- "the CBO... concluded that through 2019, the Senate approach would reduce the federal deficit by $130 billion and slow the rate of federal spending growth due to new taxes and provisions to reduce spending over time." (Politifact) ALSO you are making a fatal assumption- that these people are informed- most of them believe that there will be death panels, and that Obama was not born in the US, not the brightest lights. To make your quote work, voters would have to be informed, and if they were informed, they would see that it is very foolish to try to repeal something which has so many consumer benefits and brings costs down. I much prefer Lincoln's spin: "Democracy is not two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner."
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ClarkOHrepub
BO & Co have Gotta Go!
02:48 PM on 05/31/2011
'voting against their own interests.' Like giving up the government gravy train?
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
08:59 PM on 05/07/2011
Just did some construction work for a Doctor. Asked him his opinion of Healthcare Reform, his answer was "You guys are screwed, all it does is give unreimbursed care to 30 million more people, and create hundreds of new taxes and fees to pay for it without addressing a single cause of cost increases".
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ClarkOHrepub
BO & Co have Gotta Go!
02:51 PM on 05/31/2011
I see H P decided to counter your post with an article about doctors turning against repubs....lol. The H P Editor is really trying hard to paint a broad stroke on that one.
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
09:24 PM on 05/31/2011
That same Doctor no longer accepts Medicare or Medical because at $12 and office visit, he loses money.
09:40 PM on 05/06/2011
I just got out of a heart rhythm society conference. One of the speakers said that in 2013-2014 the rules for reimbursement will change if a patient fails to respond to one type of pacemaker therapy and instead needs a different type. I didn't get the details, but in practice it sometimes happens that patients don't respond to certain types of pacemaker therapies, and starting in 2013-2014, the government won't cover for a 2nd attempt. Makes one wonder about all the fine print.
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ClarkOHrepub
BO & Co have Gotta Go!
02:52 PM on 05/31/2011
Don't worry about it....you'll just have to wait to see what's in it (Nancy P)
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
04:06 AM on 05/06/2011
We see a lot of anger at "greedy" insurance companies. We see a lot of passionate demands for universal healthcare. What we don't see is a cogent, rational argument that explains why a desirable goal is transformed into a "right." Our rights are defined by our Constitution. When a new right is agreed upon we amend our Constitution. That is not a process lightly undertaken. If we, as a nation, believe that healthcare is a new and defensible right, start the amendment process. While that is happening, let us figure out how we are going to pay for it. What existing "entitlements" are you willing to do away with as we attempt to put our fiscal house in order? Yesterday one poster scoffed at the notion that we were broke because we were still meeting our monthly obligations. That's the kind of thinking that has people upping the limit on their credit cards and thinking that just because they still have checks in the checkbook they still have money.
Golfrrs
Only "U" Can save us from the GOP Terrorism
08:19 AM on 05/06/2011
I believe (don't quote me) the constitution has the word "life" in it. Since the ability to have the right to that word depends on getting health care to ensure that you do not die because a lack of that care would appear to me to be constitutional.
11:43 AM on 05/06/2011
life only appears 4 times in the constitution all of which are about criminal proceedings

nothing regarding what type of life you will have
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
09:05 PM on 05/07/2011
Sorry to inform you, but the use of the world "Life" means the government can't kill you without legal cause or probable cause. To twist it into a "Right" that has been "Endowed upon us by our creator" is ludacris. Healthcare is a product and a service. It's something you buy, if you don't have the money, you die. Plain and simple, it's like food, you go buy it, and eat it. Without it you starve, government can temporarily help, but they can't feed you forever, that's your job.
11:35 AM on 05/06/2011
very well said
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
03:46 AM on 05/06/2011
It is always amazing to see the self righteous anger of those who demand a "right" that they can't seem to find a Constitutional basis for. How short are some people's memories? Not so long ago we saw a movement, initiated by the Clinton administration and pushed by ACORN, that claimed that all Americans had a "right" to own their own homes. We saw banks pressured into giving out bad loans to people who should not have qualified. We saw banks pressured into giving credit lines on inflated home values. We were told that there would be no end to the increasing value of real estate. The reality was a burst bubble that almost brought down the world economy. We haven't recovered from that debacle, yet we have people demanding that we spend billions of dollars that we don't have on a plan so flawed that even those who advocate for it can't agree on the bogus accounting used to justify it. We are broke and we need to stop spending money we don't have.
Golfrrs
Only "U" Can save us from the GOP Terrorism
08:21 AM on 05/06/2011
BS. The banks gave out loans for housing simply for their own self interest. The could not baypass the revenue from these loans.
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
09:17 PM on 05/07/2011
WRONG !!! Carters CRA "Community Redevelopment Act" REQUIRED lenders BY LAW to issue a certain percentage of loans to low income and minorities that failed to meet lending standards. Clinton EXPANDED that program, and groups like ACORN picketed not only the Banks themselves, but the managers homes too for MORE bad loans, MORE funding to unqualified buyers, they even threatened to protest to their Government offices to pull the Banks charters if they didn't. And Fannie & Freddie didn't help by buying the bad loans to hide the losses.
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
04:04 AM on 05/09/2011
Nice try. Clinton pushed for all Americans to own their own homes whether or not they could afford them. ACORN extorted bad loans out of major banks and we reaped the whirlwind. If you borrow more money than you can afford to pay back, you don't get to blame others. Small, local banks didn't jump on the 120% financing bandwagon and they weathered the storm.
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11:02 AM on 05/10/2011
See the Liberal attack trolls are already after you for spreading the truth.
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
09:51 PM on 05/12/2011
I have noticed a lot of thin-skinned, angry little people who tell me, in rather offensive terms, how stupid I am not to appreciate that they are yelling at me because they are kinder, gentler people with superior moral and ethical standards...
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danglines
02:33 AM on 05/06/2011
Jerks, don't touch my health care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
04:07 AM on 05/06/2011
If you are paying for your own healthcare nobody should touch it. If you are expecting others to pay for it, it isn't yours...
Golfrrs
Only "U" Can save us from the GOP Terrorism
08:22 AM on 05/06/2011
So are you sugesting that we exterminate all people who cannot pay for their healthcare?
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01:43 PM on 05/06/2011
You should do as we in Canada do, it works very well and noone is denied!!!!
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Richard Bartholomew
My micro-bio isn't empty.
02:33 AM on 05/06/2011
Today, ladies and gentlemen, we'll go down under to consider one of the many medical wonders that universal health care hath wrought. Yes, complements of the PPACA, you too will writhe just like the Aussies:

'Medicare Rebate cuts bring more (arthritic) pain to elderly Australians
7 October 2009 - 9:10am

AMA President, Dr Andrew Pesce, said today that removal of the Medicare rebate for synovial joint injections to relieve the pain and discomfort of arthritic joints will cause financial and physical suffering for thousands of elderly Australians.

'The typical patient who needs a joint injection is a person in their sixties or seventies with intractable knee or shoulder pain while on the waiting list – sometimes for years – for a joint replacement. It is a common treatment for Indigenous Australians. The Government expects the medical profession to absorb this service as part of a standard patient consultation. ...

'As many of these patients must wait years for a replacement, the joint injections keep them mobile and pain-free....

'Older Australians are already spending too much time on waiting lists for treatment. This latest Medicare rebate cut means that, for many of them, their wait will now be long and painful...

'The Medicare patient rebate for intrasynovial injections disappears from 1 November 2009, concurrent with the halving of the rebate for cataract surgery, when the Health Insurance (General Medical Services Table) Regulations commence.'
-- http://ama.com.au/node/5010
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01:44 PM on 05/06/2011
You really have no idea what you are talking about!
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REMEMBER2050
Bring on that War on Women, GOP! I'm game.
11:12 AM on 05/07/2011
I've seen other posts from him and it appears he may be a bit right of liberatarian, so he's just cherrry-picking data to protect his own interests. You wouldn't believe his comments on my family situation where I have four brothers and sisters without insurance, two of which are mentally ill. Yikes!!! I'd say nothing to see here--move along!!
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10:19 PM on 05/06/2011
Like Obama said just give them old folks a pill.
Of course the government (DEA/FDA) is now monkeying around proven .chronic pain medication.
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02:16 AM on 05/06/2011
More than two dozen states. More than 24 states. More than half the States.

This is one reason why selecting Senators based upon popular vote rather than by State Legislatures is very bad for the country.
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
09:24 PM on 05/07/2011
It's bad for the country because those Senators represent their "Party" and not the interests of their State.
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walkingman50
Battling the second law of thermodynamics.
06:59 PM on 05/05/2011
Dislike for obamacare, a 9 month high in jobless claims and run away gas prices will bring the obama bounce rapidly back to earth.
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
10:00 PM on 05/05/2011
"Gone fishin, instead of just a wishin."
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11:15 PM on 05/05/2011
what bounce? maybe a bump. Then as more people start realizing he ordered an assassination of Osama they'll start looking at him differently.
Where is Cindy Shehan? Did they lock her up somewhere ?
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dimplasm
More chocolate, please.
12:06 AM on 05/06/2011
Slate had an article on her yesterday. Wow.
Golfrrs
Only "U" Can save us from the GOP Terrorism
08:25 AM on 05/06/2011
You right wingers are the advocates for guns and violence? Now what is your problem?
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WorldEdition
Speak Truth to Power
05:36 PM on 05/05/2011
This is what happens when you don't pass a progressive health care bill and instead pass a private corporate profit model.

Obama told us how radical the Supreme Court was, then he gave them health care reform to decide.

Hmph.
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danglines
02:36 AM on 05/06/2011
Just wait for the continues greedy and poor performance of the insurance companies to affect this countries middle class. Even the dim witted ea baggers will figure out that their being screwed by the publicans and their cronies in the insurance companies!
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
03:51 AM on 05/06/2011
Greedy insurance companies? Do you have any idea how insurance works? Before claiming that others are "dim witted" perhaps you need to so a little homework on how premiums are calculated. Insurance isn't charity, it is a gamble based on actuarial tables. Insurance companies operate on about the same level of profit as do major grocery store chains. How about Obama's pals at GE? Are they greedy and evil? Do you have a "right" to free GE products just becuase you want them?
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
09:26 PM on 05/07/2011
Progressivism is a cancer to the Republic.
05:00 PM on 05/05/2011
What I'd like to know is how these states suppose doctors bills will be paid if no one has health insurance? Since when is health insurance a luxury of the rich? The insurance industry desperately needed to be reformed. How long are we going to allow corporations to throw the people under the bus? How long will they rule us? Government needs to show leadership and protect those whom they've sworn to protect. People before profit. Health before Wealth. Period. What kind of world do we want to live in and hand to future generations?
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08:44 PM on 05/05/2011
Question should be how many (good) Doctors and Nurses will be left here in 5-10 years?
08:48 PM on 05/05/2011
The left doesn't let consequences get in the way of their immediate objective. Their answer will be that pay people's education to become doctors. They will also reduce the requirements to be licensed so more people qualify. Finally, the will eliminate many kinds of procedures that require expensive doctors.

So we'll be enjoying the Health Care of our Grandparents in no time. But hey it will be free right?
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Richard Bartholomew
My micro-bio isn't empty.
02:36 AM on 05/06/2011
Quite a few, I'd guess. Unfortunately, not very many of them will be practicing in the United States.
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02:20 AM on 05/06/2011
Whenever a Pinko Flea Bagger says the word "reform," run for the hills. You are about to hand over more control of your life to government bureaucrats.
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05:37 PM on 05/06/2011
The government does not control our healthcare, there are some management rules in place for doctors but otherwise, we in Canada choose our own doctors and never deal with the government!
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
08:44 PM on 05/06/2011
If it works do it.

"the American people have to realize that universal healthcare is just a dream. It's too expensive. It's too impractica­­­l. It's impossible­­­. No other country in the world has been able to establish it, except for Canada, Uruguay, Brunei, Hong Kong, India, Kuwait, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Israel, Japan, Malaysia, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovin­­­a, Bulgaria, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenst­­­ein, Lithuania, Luxembourg­­­, Malta, the Netherland­­­s, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerlan­­­d, Ukraine, the United Kingdom. Australia, New Zealand and pretty much the entire civilized modern world."

All it takes is a few intelligent people running the show.

The reason these other countries have it and we don't is because we have the GOP to hold us back.  They don't and it feels good to them that they don't.
04:49 PM on 05/05/2011
This is a bad bill. Forcing the states with an unfunded mandate to increase Medicaid enrollment will be impossible. The states are already bleeding red with their Medicaid budget as it is. How are they going to raise revenue to add 20 million more people in four years?
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
05:40 PM on 05/05/2011
We need to impose cost controls on or health care. Since health care is something everyone needs we should make it a not for profit industry.  The ceo's will get paid, the workers will get paid and the people will be treated for whatever malady they have.

This is about privatization not health care.

The health care insurance companies are nothing but middle men.  They do not add any value to the process and therefore deserve no pay.
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05:53 PM on 05/05/2011
What the heck are you talking about? Dosadi ?
07:39 PM on 05/05/2011
All the advertising and CEO pay in all the hc insureres wont put even a dent in it. [and, btw, did you see the salaries that the appointees to Fannie and Freddie got for screwing that up? ]

So what you are left with is your statement that " We need to impose cost controls on or health care".

But you never answer the question of how that can be done in a government HC model without limiting access [rationing] or cutting med provider reimbursements, which causes docs to leave the system and has the same rationing effect.

If I'm wrong, feel free to tell us how you would do it?
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danglines
04:28 PM on 05/05/2011
Greedy insurance company shills!
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
03:55 AM on 05/06/2011
Nice bumper sticker. About as accurate as "Greedy Zero Liability Voters Demand More Freebies!"
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Sandman911
Self employed gun toting Bible thumper.
09:32 PM on 05/07/2011
LOL !!!! G1
04:22 PM on 05/05/2011
It is sad to see the courts so influenced by politics. Shame on us.