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Joe Biden Steps Into Debt Ceiling Void As Outlines Of Deal Materialize

Biden Debt Ceiling

First Posted: 05/04/11 07:16 PM ET Updated: 07/04/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Negotiations over raising the nation’s debt ceiling will hit a heightened, more critical phase on Thursday when a bipartisan, bicameral group of lawmakers are set to meet with Vice President Joseph Biden at the Blair House.

The Vice President’s office did not immediately confirm or comment on his upcoming schedule. And the contours of the negotiations have thus far been vague, as discussions between lawmakers have remained primarily informal. Moreover, the timeframe in which a deal must be struck was expanded on Monday, when Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner alerted members of Congress that the government could continue to run for a month longer than previously anticipated without exceeding its debt limit.

But at least four sources, three of them from Capitol Hill, offered similar descriptions of a final arrangement that is beginning to take form.

In addition to raising the debt ceiling from its current limit of $14.3 trillion, lawmakers would include legislative language in the bill that called for caps on government spending in over the next one or two years. The level at which that cap would be set is unclear and is likely to be a major fault line during discussions. In addition, lawmakers will include a debt failsafe “trigger” that would kick in once those caps expire. Such a policy -- which would require that the ratio of debt-to-GDP be reduced to a certain level if Congress cannot stabilize it by the end of the decade -- could take several forms. Democrats, however, will insist that revenue raisers or adjustments to the tax code be part of the deal.

“That’s the ball game,” one top Democratic aide said of ensuring that tax policy be part of the final arrangement to raise the debt ceiling.

“[T]hey want to make it a trigger that allows for revenue,” added another Democratic Senate aide. “But this arrangement wouldn’t preclude them from saying they will cap spending for, say, 2012. It would allow them to say here is your spending.”

Pulling off such a legislative arrangement will be a challenge for the administration. For starters, the White House has not formally given up its position that there should be a vote on a “clean” debt-ceiling bill. Moderate Senate Democrats, however, are insisting the deficit or debt-reduction measures be added. A top aide for one of those Senators said there was deep concern that a failed party-line vote (House Republicans wouldn’t pass a "clean" bill) would damage both the markets and the White House.

In addition, it seems uncertain (at this juncture at least) that Republicans would agree to any deal that opened the door for tax hikes. "Let’s discuss the art of the possible," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on the senate floor Wednesday. "We all know tax increases won’t pass the House because of the damage they’d do to family budgets and businesses — and a bipartisan majority here in the Senate opposes raising taxes on families, energy production and small businesses across America. So let’s set that aside and find common ground."

Nor is it certain, for that matter, that progressives will back strict spending caps. One labor official, suggesting that unions might oppose any such policy, took a particularly harsh swipe at freshman Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) for signing on to the CAP Act -- the proposal introduced by Sens. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) that would bring government spending down to 20.6 percent of GDP over the course of ten years. Pointing to a litany of West Virginia projects that are dependent on federal spending and would be endangered by the policy, the official emailed:

Manchin is hypocritical, at best, in his support of the CAP Act. It will hurt seniors in West Virginia by cutting Medicare & Social Security. And it will hurt key economic development projects in West Virginia -- ones he has supported. He's tripping over himself to show he's serious about the deficit that he's supporting proposals that are bad for West Virginia. Senator Byrd had a strong legacy of helping West Virginia and now Senator Manchin is threatening to undo all that great work for the people of West Virginia.

Manchin’s office noted that between 1993 and 2008 -- the full terms for Presidents Clinton and Bush -- federal spending was 19.7 percent of GDP. Yet over the past two years, it jumped from 20.7 percent to roughly 24 percent. The CAP Act would give Congress a decade to get it back down to a level a percentage point above where it was when Bush left office.

“I think the fundamental question that lawmakers have to ask themselves is: Are we serious about living within our means? Are we serious about putting an end to the record debt we have racked up and will continue to incur? Are we serious about changing our tax system to make sure everyone pays their fair share? Or should we continue to ignore this problem and pass on crippling debt to the next generation?” the Senator said, in a statement provided to The Huffington Post.

“If we don’t act now to get this nation’s financial house in order, the very programs like Social Security and Medicare that I -– along with many of my colleagues –- am so deeply committed to protecting might be severely altered for the next generation," the statement continued. "And that is why we cannot have this debate in terms of the next election; it has to be about what is best for the next generation.”

Into the crossfire steps Biden. On Thursday, the Vice President will host House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), House Budget Committee ranking member James Clyburn (D-S.C.), Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), Senate Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Senate Appropriations Committee Chair Dan Inouye (D-Hawaii). The meeting, aides say, will be almost exclusively focused on cutting a deal on the debt ceiling, leaving a broader discussion over deficit and debt reduction to congressional negotiators, namely the "Gang of Six."

“[Biden] is the only game in town anymore,” said one top Senate Democratic aide. Another aide said that Biden would follow up the meeting with a visit to the Hill to continue talks on the debt ceiling sometime next week.

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WASHINGTON -- Negotiations over raising the nation’s debt ceiling will hit a heightened, more critical phase on Thursday when a bipartisan, bicameral group of lawmakers are set to meet with Vice Pre...
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07:22 AM on 05/20/2011
Biden will get it done. He is the only one capable of bringing both sides to an agreement and making it happen. Every project he has been given by Obama has suceeded under him. He will be one of the most brilliant VP's this country has ever had. And alot of his work will be done behind the scenes and won't get credit for. I am glad he's in the White House.
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SparkyDash
Still a BFD
07:00 AM on 05/20/2011
If anyone can get these negotiations on track...which is a huge challenge in itself...Biden will.
11:51 PM on 05/12/2011
Debt has always been with us. For a long term perspective, see

http://youtu.be/jeIanMdkUj0
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warloch2
Spraying cold reality from the hose of truth.
11:45 AM on 05/05/2011
Biteme to the rescue. BTW how much money did Biteme cost U.S.tax payers when the government had to relocate and build a new top secret bunker after Biteme reveled the location of the top secret bunker under the VP mansion? The Obama court jester bafoon. :-)
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07:11 AM on 05/20/2011
Ah, your combined inappropriate, false, and cheap comment pretty much makes you out to be a first class a$$.

Congrats :)
07:12 AM on 05/20/2011
Nice...
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
11:44 AM on 05/05/2011
Republicans against misrepresent the Democratic proposals as costing families, when it is all about getting upper income tax cheats to pay their share. There are many areas of waste and fraud that Republicans are protecting that add up to many times more money than the distractions they are waving about.
11:29 AM on 05/05/2011
Giving them more money is condoning the spending that this administration and past administration have already blown. You want to tax the super rich more, cut funding of oil, stop sending money to Pakistan and all these other ideas out there that’s fine with me, but keep in mind Republicans and Democrats in this administration and past ones haven’t had a clue how to live within a their means and I don’t believe them, in either party when they say they have changed. Dems and Repubs are never going to agree on all the issues so to replace them with people that at least can be more civil is one option. Personally I’d like to be able to go to the polls more often to vote on the issues ourselves, the majority wins and the chips fall where they may at least until we can get better people in office who aren’t so easily intimidated by outside influences. If the ceiling isn’t raised I’m willing to suffer the consequences because I know the first cuts to be made will be to the Federal Government and even these idiots in DC won’t let it go on too long. I’m tired of hearing “the sky is falling”.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
11:46 AM on 05/05/2011
The first cuts should be in the salaries of those who will not do their job for their constituents. The Republicans need a pay and benefit cut and a shorter term on their ensuing unemployment.
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PopsinAZ
Questioning partisan politics.
05:11 PM on 05/05/2011
If you had a clue, even a dyed in the wool liberal airhead like YOU would acknowledge "line item by line item" cuts are the optimum option.
By the way...........Cutting salaries of those who are NOT doing their jobs = ???
NO career politician represents constituents, therefore if we did this we might be left with nothing but Tea Party people, and I know THIS is not what YOU want!
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tehixe
Anything can change the nature of a man.
11:04 AM on 05/05/2011
All these people mocking Biden... Don't you realize that you voted for Palin? A VP who never read a newspaper and whose foreign policy experience was seeing Russia from her house? If you want to mock someone, you might want to start with yourself. You voted for a gal who makes Biden look like Stephen Hawking.
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den1953
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11:23 AM on 05/05/2011
Faved some how i feel more comfortable after reading your thread some how relying on a VP that writes notes on her palms seems to bring that telepalmtor to mind!
11:31 AM on 05/05/2011
Whats more funny is you put obama and biteme in office, even dumber and less experencied than the reps
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
11:48 AM on 05/05/2011
Home schooled? Church school? Or oxygen starvation?
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tehixe
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01:24 AM on 05/06/2011
That's just objectively false however you look at it. McCain had a long career as a Senator, but so did Biden. Palin had been a governor for one half of one term, of a state the size of Akron Ohio. Obama at least served a full senate term, and was a state legislator before that. Not to mention being a frickin' professor. Nobody would mistake Sister Sarah for a professor, believe me.
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10:21 AM on 05/05/2011
Has Joe got his rosary? He'll need maybe more than one for this deal.
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09:51 AM on 05/05/2011
Ibet Joe needs a nap.
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07:07 AM on 05/20/2011
Why?
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08:20 AM on 05/20/2011
Why lol just look at the old cute his is sleep walking
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den1953
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09:49 AM on 05/05/2011
Let's end all corporate influence in Washington vote down the debt ceiling and watch this nation default , let China come calling on those loans they lent us and watch corporate CEO's jump out of those office windows with their big bonus checks in the hands. Their will be a huge run on the Wall Street banks from the world economies and we can all trade chickens for our health  care!
10:52 AM on 05/05/2011
That sounds like a good plan to me, I’m tired of hearing “the sky is falling”.
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tehixe
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11:00 AM on 05/05/2011
Yay! I've always wanted to carry a truckload of stinking chickens around with me to buy necessities instead of nice crisp dollars!
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den1953
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11:20 AM on 05/05/2011
F&F chicken farmers unite! lol
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jeanrenoir
09:01 AM on 05/05/2011
Their Wall St. money men will no more let the Republicans bring down the economy for good with a default than they will let them advocate higher taxes for the rich. Deal with it, pathetic Tea Party tools of the Kochs. Did you REALLY think that you and not the Kochs were in charge here just because they organized you into moronic mobs to do their bidding by shouting and spitting?
10:57 AM on 05/05/2011
The first thing to go will be a reduction in the Federal Government and I’m fine with that. I will gladly take any collateral damage that comes along with reducing the size and power of this government.
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tehixe
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11:01 AM on 05/05/2011
"Any?" So if you lose your job and all your property because of an economic collapse, that would be cool?
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whitewater
08:47 AM on 05/05/2011
Biden and his Gang of Six have stumbled again. What else is new?
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jeanrenoir
09:03 AM on 05/05/2011
The idiotic American voters stumbled again. What else is new?
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09:14 AM on 05/05/2011
ah you nailed it.
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Oldchef
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10:32 AM on 05/05/2011
What makes you think the "Gang of Six" belongs to Joe? Their proposals are not anywhere near his thoughts on SS and Medicare.
08:28 AM on 05/05/2011
A one off 15% wealth tax on the assets of those with $10million and above is the fastest path to solvency. If your net worth is $100million, you pay a one off $15million. This tax will raise $7.7 Trillion and will cut the US debt by over half in 1 year. The quid pro quo is federal spending will be cut to equal tax receipts + debt service. Confidence in America will then soar, resulting in soaring US investment by US and foreign companies. Jobs growth will soar leading to lots of new buyers for homes. The real estate market will stop falling and prices will start rising.

Default, and America can't pay for oil and the entire economy stops.
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Oldchef
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10:39 AM on 05/05/2011
History shows that the economy is better when tax receipts are sufficient to pay the government's bills. Foreign (and domestic) investors buy up government debt cheerfully when they know the government is taking in enough to pay it's bills, much like banks being willing to extend credit if they know you have sufficient money coming in to pay them back. When reckless tax cuts deny the government enough revenue to pay the bills, investors get nervous and the economy suffers. Simple economics. The super wealthy have the resources to pay, the middle class does not without severe pain.
11:04 AM on 05/05/2011
Tax receipts are not sufficient to pay the governments bills, you want to tax the super wealthy more that’s fine with me but keep in mind these idiots in both parties have always spent more than we send them, and most likely will continue to do so until we replace them with people in both parties who know how to save.
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Aneesia
08:22 AM on 05/05/2011
Congress regularly voted for national debt increases with an arbitrary "yea" over the years. Kick all of these creeps out of Congress.
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jeanrenoir
09:04 AM on 05/05/2011
And get new ones working for the Koch Bros. you dumb Tea Partiers all work for too, like peons in one of their factories?
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Oldchef
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10:42 AM on 05/05/2011
A trifle harsh there, friend.