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Concealed Carry Bill Defeated In Illinois House

Concealed Carry Illinois

First Posted: 05/05/11 01:59 PM ET Updated: 07/05/11 06:12 AM ET

Story updated at 4:25 p.m. CT

After months of heated debate, the Illinois House voted against a concealed carry measure Thursday.

The bill received 65 "yes" votes, but needed 71 to pass.

"We are at the criminal’s mercy," downstate Democrat and bill sponsor Brandon Phelps said on the House floor. Phelps managed to keep the bill alive through a parliamentary maneuver, though it is unclear when it will come up for a vote again.

Earlier this week, Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn vowed to veto the bill if it passed both chambers, but that didn't stop the House Agriculture and Conservation Committee from approving the gun legislation 12-1 on Tuesday.

"The concept of concealed, loaded hand guns in the possession of private citizens does not enhance public safety, on the contrary it increases danger for everyday people as they go about their lives," Quinn said, Tuesday. "I don't think we're in the business of trying to increase danger to the people of Illinois. We want to work with our law enforcement and prevent bad things from happening. I think the passage of this law by the General Assembly would be most unwise and they should know where they governor stands and where the people stand."

Quinn reportedly began calling House Democrats and urging them to vote against the bill. Most of the bill's opponents represent the Chicago area and collar counties.

“[Quinn's vow to veto] didn’t help anything, but at the same time, it didn’t shock me because I know he’s catering to Cook County and the city of Chicago,” Phelps told the State Journal-Register.

Quinn said that his goal is to keep Illinois residents safe, and allowing people to carry "loaded handguns" is "not a good thing for public safety.”

On Tuesday, State Representative John Cavaletto told the House Agriculture and Conservation Committee that concealed weapons could save lives. He told a disturbing story about the murder of his daughter-in-law, and said that she could still be alive today if she were allowed to carry a weapon.

"I had a daughter-in-law walk three years ago on a Saturday morning and she never came back home," Cavaletto said, according to WJBD Radio. "She was hit by a car and drug into the bushes. The man came back a few hours later and stabbed her 13 times. I always said if Michele had a gun in her fanny pack when she went for a walk she may have been able to save herself. She lived on a farm and knew how to shoot a gun and if she would have had one things may have been different."

As is, the concealed carry bill would prevent public and private universities from having to allow concealed weapons. The State Journal-Register has a full list of other spaces where concealed weapons would not be allowed.

Illinois and Wisconsin are currently the only states without a concealed carry law on the books. Republican lawmakers in Wisconsin proposed a concealed carry measure this week, and expect to pass it with Governor Scott Walker's approval.

Brian Malte, director of federal and state mobilization for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, told the Daily Herald that Illinois is the "No. 1 battleground" for the national gun control debate. The organization recently named Illinois the ninth-best state in the union when it comes to sensible gun laws.

One "no" vote on Thursday afternoon came from Rep. Monique Davis, who represents Chicago's South Side. An NRA member told the Capitol Fax blog Davis supported the bill several months ago, but changed her mind at some point.

“I, too, like the John Wayne movies,” Davis said on the House floor. “I like those movies about the Wild West where everybody’s carrying a weapon and everybody’s shooting at each other. We don’t live in those days any more… America is no longer the Wild, Wild West. I urge a no vote.”

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hrpmap 05:32 PM on 05/05/2011
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03:47 PM on 05/15/2011
Ms Davis, like many others long ago before you said the same things in the State Houses in 48 other states.....and ya know what......NONE of those predictions has come true!

Contrary to popular belief, the Wind West wasn't quite like the movies....not everyone had a gun and those that did for the most part were no more blood thirsty killers than you are! You deal in misconception and smoke and mirrors because you are from the Crooked politian state, the state that does business for a political bosses wishes, not the wishes of the people. You are one of their minions!

The fact is that an armed society is a polite society....crime rates go down and the crooks go somewhere else to prey on the weak and helpless.......Please remember that when your state, the leader in organized crime and murder becomes another statistic in the constant war with the criminals!
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06:53 AM on 05/09/2011
I hope Scooter can do it then I can finally carry my Bazooka .
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ElmCreekSmith
If the truth hurts, it should.
12:00 PM on 05/17/2011
If you could carry a bazooka concealed you have bigger problems than guns. Any other straw men you'd like to set up?
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
10:02 PM on 05/07/2011
Rember, concealed means concealed, baby. Or as President Clinton said, "Don't ask, don't tell.
10:40 AM on 05/06/2011
The entire state of Illinois held hostage by the criminal entity called Chicago. SAD. What will the free cheese eaters do when the working man who pays for their existence runs out of money? They won't have anyone else left to mooch off of.
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penndl
I am imigination...
08:31 AM on 05/06/2011
"The man came back a few hours later and stabbed her 13 times."; "I always said if Michele had a gun in her fanny pack when she went for a walk she may have been able to save herself."
A few hours later? If she was capable of using a gun after laying there for a few hours, she could have used a cellphone to call for help, in just a matter of seconds.
12:16 PM on 05/06/2011
It does seem like faulty reasoning. A strange and tragic story though... man.
07:34 PM on 05/06/2011
Perhaps before the car hit her, she could have shot at the driver.

Your imagination is... lacking.
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Grumpy Man
Disappointed idealist
06:04 AM on 05/06/2011
Governor Quinn needs to invest in a LOT of these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0vyxgJLJVA

Old version: ”Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.“ ~James Madison

New version: ”Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of Illinois, Wisconsin and other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.“
12:17 PM on 05/06/2011
That is kind of funny. How can anyone consider the definition "armed" to be "a gun in the house and you get a felony if you dare take it outside".
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David Carson
02:40 PM on 05/06/2011
the 9th circuit set a standard of at LEAST heightened scrutiny for self defense--a ban on all forms of carry should be real easy to throw out
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White Raven
Eyeballs are tasty
12:37 AM on 05/06/2011
Clearly Illinois likes making sure their criminals are safe from gun-carrying citizens who obey the law.
10:42 AM on 05/06/2011
Unfortunately 100 counties of the state are held hostage by 2 others. I bet you can't guess what parties constituency overwhelmingly resides in those 2 counties. I'll give you a hint. Those people living there aren't Amish!!
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12:31 AM on 05/06/2011
Looks like the NRA sent the call chain out tonight.
I hope they enjoy the donations I send back in their prepaid envelopes.
Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
08:24 AM on 05/06/2011
Are you coherent yet? Have a cup of coffee. Then welcome back to the land of civil discussion, where we don't start with insults!
Semper fi
11:49 PM on 05/05/2011
What an idiot. That's like continuing to insist that the earth is flat.

We've seen the effects of concealed carry legislation. They've been playing out for decades in other states. He refuses to allow any of this information through.

I guess the last option is the courts.
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Kyle Hillman
10:28 PM on 05/05/2011
I can't believe the argument that carrying a canceled weapon is the same as carrying a purse didn't sway them.
12:20 PM on 05/06/2011
lol I didn't quite follow that guys logic! I'm pro-carry, but come on, we all need to be intellectually honest!
03:57 PM on 05/15/2011
WHAT????????
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knightoftheroundtable
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09:29 PM on 05/05/2011
Cowards....
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08:25 PM on 05/05/2011
I see very clearly Govenor Quinn is Pro-criminal. He's all for releasing felons to the streets, abolishing the death penalty and denying citizens their constitutional rights.
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ChiGuy
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07:36 PM on 05/05/2011
"We are at the criminal’s mercy..."
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What a ridiculous pile of hyperbolic BS.
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ebanks84
Grandma knows best!
07:09 PM on 05/05/2011
We have BEEN at the mercy of criminals. When did you just wake up. And the criminals are not necessarily who you think they are. They are like YOU and all the rest of the republicans who are trying to take this country back into the dark ages. All you people who loves the smell of guns are criminal if you ask me.
12:05 AM on 05/06/2011
That would make for a very compelling reason for any sane person not to ask you.
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Demos 0
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01:24 AM on 05/06/2011
So you are against a female having the capability of defending herself against a larger male.

I guess I'm for woman's rights and you are not. Not very progressive of you.
Jordan53
When is Jesus coming for the right?
02:35 AM on 05/06/2011
So lets just let woman carry concealed weapons.
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ebanks84
Grandma knows best!
05:43 PM on 05/06/2011
I'm against everybody having guns!