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Primary Election 2012: Conservative Fears Of Permanent Welfare State May Create Wild Ride

Rick Santorum

First Posted: 05/08/11 05:19 PM ET Updated: 07/08/11 06:12 AM ET

COLUMBIA, S.C. -- At this weekend's South Carolina GOP convention, Republican lawmakers warned that a second term for President Obama would kill America's independent spirit and guarantee a permanent big government welfare state.

If voters agree, look out. The Republican primary may turn out to be a wild ride, and a surprise candidate could emerge late in the game.

Sen. Jim DeMint, the Palmetto State’s conservative firebrand, has for months said the upcoming presidential election “is our last chance to get it right.”

“2012 is when we have to lay it all on the line," DeMint told a few thousand delegates. "We have to go to the mat.”

“There's no question that we are moving, step by step, closer to socialism. So that puts democracy at risk to some extent,” Rep. Tim Scott, a Republican who represents South Carolina’s 1st district, said in an interview. “How much, how soon, I'm not sure. But if you're financially bankrupt, I think everything's at risk.”

Rick Santorum, a possible candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, even raised the specter of Benito Mussolini’s Fascist Italy in a speech here Friday night while explaining why his grandfather emigrated to the U.S. His uncle, he said, “used to get up in a brown shirt and march and be told how to be a good little fascist.”

“I don’t know, maybe they called it early pre-K or something like that, that the government sponsored to get your children in there so they can indoctrinate them,” Santorum said.

It’s unclear how deeply grassroots conservatives have internalized and processed these dire warnings from party leaders. Interviews with several delegates at the South Carolina GOP’s annual convention this weekend revealed basic agreement with the rhetoric of Republican leaders. But many of them also had a hard time expressing the specific ways in which they see the growth of government and of the federal debt impacting their every day lives.

Jim Sullivan, a 63-year-old retired accountant, said, “The big issue for me is the level of federal debt. That translates into the government getting into your life.” When asked for specifics, Sullivan said he had heard of new requirements for passports that will collect more information “of a personal nature that I don’t think the State Department needs to know,” such as employment and school history.

Dan Harvelle, the 54-year-old chair of the Anderson County GOP, said, “A lot of us think America is slipping backwards.”

Under the “welfare state … more and more working people are supporting more and more non-working people,” he said, also noting that local building codes have begun to incorporate provisions that have their origins in United Nations law.

In his keynote speech at a dinner Friday, Santorum said voters already get the big picture.

“It is now evidently clear to everyone in America what is at stake,” he said. “Something big is happening and something very critical is at stake in our country.”

But some acknowledged that the issues facing the country are complex, and the stakes are not always black and white. “It’s a confusing time we’re living in. I’m not sure anyone has a magic wand,” said Charles Roberts, a 54-year-old engineer at a construction firm in Colleton County, west of Charleston.

And not everyone in the crowd agreed entirely with Santorum’s grim warning.

“It’s almost a naive statement, isn’t it?” said Will Stallings, a 28-year-old activist working for a reform group aiming to create more school choice in South Carolina. “We vote on everything. Our votes matter. It’s a disjointed statement.”

But Stallings did not dismiss Santorum’s case out of hand and agreed in part that America is at a turning point in its history.

“The value system of the country, the heritage that drives the country, is at risk,” Stallings said. “There is a rally toward some core uniting principles of freedom and that is catching on. People feel out of control as the government gains more control.”

That anxiety among the GOP base has fueled speculation of a late entry into the 2012 Republican primary, as far into this year as September, only four months before the Iowa caucuses kick off the official process. But so far no one has united the Republican party and the search for a great, exciting candidate continues to bedevil the GOP.

Over dinner in Greenville Thursday night, the mood among a handful of state legislators and Republican consultants bordered on despondent as they discussed the 2012 field. One lawmaker said that if they could combine Newt Gingrich’s ideas, Haley Barbour’s wit and Santorum’s age then they would have a great candidate. The appetite was overwhelmingly for someone who is not yet on the scene. But they didn’t really even seem to have anyone in mind as a potential dark horse.

Several people at the state party convention mentioned the name of Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, though he has sworn not to run. After DeMint’s speech, one lady yelled out for him to run and two others came up to him to ask him to do so.

Former U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman is likely to announce a presidential bid soon. Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels is seriously weighing such a run. And despite the fact that Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) appears resolutely opposed to becoming a candidate, his name also continues to draw attention.

But political operatives have stressed the limits of a potential surprise candidates. Building a winning campaign and fundraising organization takes months to build, they say.

However, the level of concern about the 2012 election could make the conventional wisdom less binding.

There is the “potential for serious upheaval," said LaDonna Ryggs, the chair of the Spartanburg Republican Party.

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COLUMBIA, S.C. -- At this weekend's South Carolina GOP convention, Republican lawmakers warned that a second term for President Obama would kill America's independent spirit and guarantee a permanent ...
COLUMBIA, S.C. -- At this weekend's South Carolina GOP convention, Republican lawmakers warned that a second term for President Obama would kill America's independent spirit and guarantee a permanent ...
 
 
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09:11 AM on 05/19/2011
Well the government just released new unemployemnt numbers .....409,000 brand spanking new jobless claims ....GO OBAMA the best welfare president ever
rogergoldkin
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
10:45 AM on 05/23/2011
Thanks to the party of NO and NOWAY. The GOP's lack of wall street oversight and its current policies of keeping it that way, are sure fire ways of maintaining this sorry circumstance. Every job bill the Dems have come up with was voted down or filibustered against by the Repubs and their fleabagger allies. This present condition will come to an end. The GOP is just about ready to legislate themselves out of existence. The GOP's continuing attacks an America's middle and working classes, their unions, their education, their safety and futures has just about run it's course. The only thing the GOP has to offer the citizens of this great nation is massive overreach in their personal lives. They have no real solutions to this nations problems. They have no ideas on how to realistically solve this nation's real problems other than what their paymasters like the Koch brothers order them to do. Welcome to the new America as envisioned by the GOP and their fleabagger buddies.
11:41 AM on 05/23/2011
BOO
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tc71087
12:56 AM on 05/16/2011
It would be nice if everything on the Republican side did not sound like a regurgitated rerun of years gone by. Face it, no matter how extreme they get, they cannot revive the corpse of Reagan.
01:58 PM on 05/13/2011
WE WERE PROMISED CHANGE
WELL WE GOT IT
• MORE DEBT
• MORE TAXES
• MORE WELFARE
• MORE REGULATION
• MORE GOVERNMENT
• MORE WASTEFUL SPENDING
• MORE CORRUPTION
• MORE INCREASES IN FUEL PRICES
VOTE THEM OUT IN 2012
WE HAVE BEEN ASKED WHO IT IS SHOULD WE VOTE OUT – THIS IS AMERICA AND IT IS YOUR VOTE - IT IS SIMPLE, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, USE COMMON SENSE AND EDUCATE YOURSELF, THEN MAKE YOUR DECISION BASED ON THE VALUES THAT MADE THIS COUNTRY GREAT – WE SEEM TO BE LOSING SIGHT OF WHAT HARD WORK, INDEPENDENCE, AND A CAN DO ATTITUDE CAN ACCOMPLISH. INSTEAD WE LUST AFTER WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE AND WANT TO DEMAND THEY SHARE IT WITH US.
Shame on us
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ZeraLee
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01:36 AM on 05/12/2011
More lies and fear-mongering. What a surprise.

Worried about democracy? Check out the flood of voter disenfranchisement laws written by republicans under the banner of "voter ID". Check out their economic assault on possible liberals - like unions, the poor, and seniors. Their goal is to eliminate the Democrats as a viable alternative by crippling their funding sources.

But the worst may be the "Emergency Financial Manager" laws. If you really want to know who threatens democracy, ask the residents of Benton Harbor Michigan, who have already had their elected officials removed from power.

The republican assault on democracy is far more organized, deliberate, and immediate than any hypothetical future loss.
09:13 AM on 05/19/2011
I like looking at all the places ACORN members have been convicted of some sort of voter fraud or voter registration fraud or the like
03:20 PM on 05/11/2011
The real danger is another republican in the WH assisting the wealthy so there is NO middle class any longer. I am against socialism as well. but the GOP has no problems with FACISM. Corporations running the government. They don't like to see money going down to the people rather UP to the wealthy. Time for voters to do a lot of research this time before voting rather than listening to FOX dis information.
01:39 PM on 05/11/2011
Ok.
1) Jim Demint: the repubs are Already trying to take us on a Wild Ride!
2) Tim Scott: what you left out when you talked about democracy is that we are closer to a Dictatorship. We're already Financially Bankrupt (of course I don't mean the top 2%), if you would just get out of limos-state cars-etc-,in your Italian suits & shoes and actually go walk your voter neighborhoods you would see the actual conditions---AH what Humor & Sarcasm that is!! Like THAT would Ever happen!!
3) @ Mr. Stalling--they have been steadily creeping through the back door for quite a while now to take Control!
4) And Last but not Least...Rick Santorum: As a PA voter, I have seen first hand what you can & can't (won't) do! The 'welfare state' you all keep using in speeches, it has a life of it's own thanks to the 8 yrs of a repub.admin. that... Literally, took homes & jobs from millions of voters!! So who Really created the State of the Welfare System today????
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jacknab
You can flog a dead horse, but it ain't gonna plow
12:58 PM on 05/11/2011
Rick Santorum needs a history lesson. Fascist in Germany and Italy came out of the far right wing, the ultra conservatives of those countries. Hitler's Nazis party started out as a socialist party, but after he took control it remained socialist in name only. The industrials of Germany were Hitler's primary contributors and supporters. Read Allen Bullock's "Hitler and Stalin: Parrellel Lives", one of the finest books on the history of the 20th Century.
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PJ Parker
DC is Wall St's Customer Service Department
11:25 AM on 05/11/2011
Corporate socialism, aka government subsidies to corporations.
12:14 PM on 05/11/2011
Corporate Socialism is an oxymoron. The right term would be corporativism, which is a part of Fascism. Fascism on the other hand is a part of Conservatism, which is an another word for right-wing politics. Simple, huh?
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saltpeter
Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of fiscal ideology
10:37 AM on 05/11/2011
Why is the Republicans, who insist that they are EXPERTS when it comes to the economy, so woefully ignorant when it comes to understanding how our economy works? Right Wingers actually think that there is a battle between Socialism and Capitalism going on in America (even though the so-called Capitalists tend to be the biggest recipients of socialist funds but I digress). The fact of the matter is that the ISM that drives our economy is not socialism or capitalism, it is CONSUMERISM. And that CONSUMERISM has been propped up by a mixed economy for the entirety or our country from the Louisiana Purchase that allowed the government to PAY for the doubling of the land mass of our country to the government sponsorship of the railroads that helped develop that land mass to the Homestead Act that literally GAVE AWAY nearly free land for the price of an administration fee for the paper work for the owners. Heck even Christopher Columbus and the Jamestown settlers came to America on the government dime of European nations.

Our economy was built by socialist ventures that, in turn, helped capitalists flourish that, in turn, helped CONSUMERS buy homes and stuff to put in those homes. It's CONSUMER SPENDING that helps our economy and without JOB creation and no unemployment benefits there is no CONSUMER spending to keep our economy going and to maintain current jobs let alone create new ones.

This FISCAL CONSERVATIVES are CONSERVATIVE in their KNOWLEDGE of fiscal matters.
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lookintomyeye
what do you see?
10:29 AM on 05/11/2011
An open letter to the GOP:
I would like one of you cowards to respond to me. WHY do you think it's right to stop helping disabled children? You have cut spending and now the medicine that stops my severely handicapped child's seizures has also been cut from medicaid. Take a look at this child http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOwFTM9V4Fk and tell me why she is not as important as oil company subsidies..you come here and tell her to her face why you refuse to help her. As a single mom of a child who is medically complex and lives on a ventilator, I don't want to have to ask for assistance. But I have no choice. I care for Hannah 24/7 on my own and I cannot work. Now tell me how it makes sense to stop paying for the medicine that stops her seizures...so that instead I have to call an ambulance and take her to the ER. I really want an answer. You are the lowest of the low..the taliban has nothing on you!
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saltpeter
Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of fiscal ideology
10:29 AM on 05/11/2011
That's right, America can't become a WELFARE STATE. That's the job of RED STATES that are forever taking more from the federal coffers than their overly impoverished states are able to contribute in tax revenues. Leave the SPONGING off of everyone else to the experts, REPUBLICANS.
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RichTBikkies
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01:44 PM on 05/11/2011
This is just Ayn Rand drivel - "looters", "moochers", blah-blah-blah. Give it a rest. Repeating it on a tape loop 50,000 times a day just turns it into verbal pollution and doesn't make it into logical argument. Nor does puttiing two words in CAPS in every sentence. Ranters on radio chat-shows are, purely practically, bad role models. Get smart - read books and learn to speak English.
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saltpeter
Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of fiscal ideology
02:22 PM on 05/11/2011
Sorry but the ranters on the radio are arguing the complete opposite. They are complaining that because some states dare to pay taxes for services that it is they who are the WELFARE STATES. While it's the so-called fiscal conservative states that are good and moral because they refuse to pay their taxes--partly because they have become corporate tax havens and partly because those in their state who don't get the tax cuts for the wealthy are too poor to pay a modicum of taxes to begin with.

The simple fact of the matter is that states like South Carolina take more from the federal government than they contribute and then their leaders like Jim Demint, instead of DECLINING that free money go around and call the rest of the country "socialists" and welfare queens. States like South Carolina are habitually taking more from the federal government than they contribute and STILL wind up at the bottom in such things as education results and at the top in poverty levels.

All I ask is what do these South Carolinian socialists and welfare recipients do with all their free federal money if they don't bother to spend it on their own people?
07:06 PM on 06/14/2011
"America can't become a WELFARE STATE. That's the job of RED STATES that are forever taking more from the federal coffers than their overly impoverish­ed states are able to contribute in tax revenues."

That isn't true, but I realize it's a liberal talking point.

According to this very site,

District of Columbia is the BIGGEST "welfare state", in the US (very VERY blue area).
Second is Vermont......... BLUE!
Third is Alaska (red)
Fourth-New York (Blue BLUE BLUE!!!!!!!)
Fifth-Massachusetts (How blue can you get?)

Sooooooo....... you run that mouth and don't have a clue, right?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/10/the-federal-aid-jackpot-s_n_492411.html#s73091&title=10_Mississippi
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laurieanichols
je pense donc, je suis
10:24 AM on 05/11/2011
I don't think that they really understand what socialism means. We are nowhere near anything even slightly resembling socialism, well except if you count the auto industry bail out and that is working out pretty well. That is temporary. Socialism also doesn't necessarily preclude democracy. The extreme right needs to go back to school and take up a few basic political science courses so that we are all on the same page. It's difficult to engage in any type of discourse when the basic terms of the disagreement aren't clearly understood by both parties.
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Jim Milks
Ecologist
01:16 PM on 05/11/2011
They apparently do not even understand that socialism is the polar opposite of fascism. Of course, if they think such a juxtaposition makes a fine bumper sticker, then they'll use it no matter how inane it really is.
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asdusty
Remember Milne Bay!
09:20 AM on 05/11/2011
But, the US is already a welfare state...corporate welfare!
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pat2 718
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08:40 AM on 05/11/2011
Yes, we do have to worry about a permanent welfare state: Republican politicians insist on keeping welfare for oil companies, big agribusiness, and their favored supporters. And how about those subsidies to companies that end up paying no taxes, or that export jobs -- nope, don't touch those either, they say. And rich folks who pay a lower percentage in tax on unearned income? And have armies of accountants figuring out tax avoidance schemes? Horrors, no! Can't close any of those loopholes. Can't tax unearned income the same as income from actual work -- why, that would imply that people who get their hands dirty, and actually make things, are on a par with those who make their money the old fashioned way -- inherit it.
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Taj Snead
If they dont like obama they sure wont like me
05:01 AM on 05/11/2011
If you bought a ticket to a State University Football game. You have participated in socialism. If you went or sent your kids to public school you have participated in socialism. If you Went to the local Park you have participated in socialism.

Im tired of this crap about blaming entitlements when weve had the same entitlements since the 30's and nothing was wrong with them untill Reagan and his trickle down BS came