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Common Crisis, Day Two: The White House Press Corps Has An Awkward Discussion About Hip-Hop

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First Posted: 05/11/11 06:53 PM ET Updated: 07/11/11 06:12 AM ET

Yesterday, we brought you word that a minor bit of nontroversy was brewing because the Chicago rapper Common -- whose music you've probably heard on the soundsystem whilst pricing stemware at Crate and Barrel -- would be participating in a White House celebration of poetry.

Some dude at the Daily Caller pieced through the Common canon, found a slam-poem that had vague references to strife between inner-city youths and police, ignored its underlying positive message, and put Common in the category of "cop-killer" gangsta-rappers, which basically degrades the efforts of actual gangsta rappers (who sometimes get invited to parties supporting President George H.W. Bush, because it's okay to embrace rappers when a Republican does it).

Many folks celebrated the absurdity of all of this, like Adam Serwer and Conor Friedersdorf and Ben Greenman. It's worth checking out everything they've had to say about this pseudo-event.

Of course, since this pseudo-event involved the White House, it was only a matter of time before the men and women who guard the mysteries of the White House Press Room chimed in. And so today, America experienced a conversation about rap music between the people least suited to the topic: White House Press Secretary Jay Carney and the members of the White House Press Corps.

It all began when American Urban Radio reporter April Ryan told Carney that she had spoken to people "disappointed in the critics of Common," like Sarah Palin, and wanted to know if there was an official White House reaction to the nonsense. That got this particular ball rolling. (To stave off some coming confusion, please note that Carney will continually refer to Common as "Mr. Lynn," in reference to his actual name, Lonnie Rashid Lynn, Jr.)

[Click here to watch. This conversation starts up at the 44:30 mark.]

Q: Okay. And also, I just got off the phone with singer, poet, philanthropist Jill Scott who’s performing tonight for the poetry and prose. And she said she’s very disappointed to hear about the critics of Common -- Sarah Palin and some of the GOP to include people in the New Jersey State Police -- about his stand and his comments. What does this White House have to say as Common is an invited guest to be able to deliver his poetry and prose to the group that’s coming tonight?

MR. CARNEY: Well, I’ll make a couple of points about that, April. First of all, the President does not support and opposes the kinds of lyrics that have been written about, as he has in the past. He has spoken very forcefully out against violent and misogynist lyrics. Secondly, in regard to the concerns by some law enforcement, this President’s record of support for law enforcement is extremely strong. He remains committed to the men and women who protect the American citizens and put themselves in harm’s way all the time. He was able to express that appreciation and support just last week in New York when he met with police and firefighters.

Great. Got to work in a reminder of the bin Laden victory lap!

And I would say that while the President doesn’t support the kind of lyrics that have been raised here, he does -- I mean, we do think that some of these reports distort what Mr. Lynn stands for, more broadly, in order to stoke a controversy. I mean, he is -- within the genre of hip-hop and rap, he is what’s known as a conscience rapper -- or a conscious rapper, rather. And I would quote a report just six months ago from Fox News where he was described as a rap legend and quote, “Your music is very positive and you’re known as the conscious rapper. How important is that to you, and how important do you think that is to our kids?”

And I think that one of the things that the President appreciates is the work that Mr. Lynn has done with children, especially in Chicago, trying to get them to focus on poetry, as opposed to some of the negative influences of life on the street.

Naturally, the Press Corps had to get clarification on the vagaries of rap subgenres, because Pitchfork's White House Correspondent wasn't available to help out.

Q: Jay, “conscious” was the word you used?

MR. CARNEY: Conscious.

Q: Conscious?

MR. CARNEY: Conscious, yes. Conscious rapper -- as in socially conscious.

BUT OMG DID ANYONE PUT COMMON THROUGH THE "VETTING PROCESS?"

Q: And then -- but wait a minute. But also, at the same time, did this White House vet any of the poetry that the poets are delivering tonight before they deliver them?

MR. CARNEY: I don’t know specifically about the vetting process. The fact is, Mr. Lynn has participated in other events in the past, including the lighting of the Christmas Tree, I believe. I mean, he’s a Grammy award-winning -- multi Grammy-award winning artist. And he’s been invited to this event about poetry, and partly because of his efforts to bring poetry to audiences that don’t get to experience it. And we think that’s a positive thing.

That had to have stung the Press Corps that this scary black dude was at the lighting of the White House Christmas Tree in 2009 and they totally missed the story. I'm going to do them a solid by "leaking" footage of Common performing with the PS 22 Chorus that I found on this shadowy, underground website called "YouTube."

Naturally, we had to have questions about the erroneous contention that Common had "made statements threatening to kill police officers."

Q: Can I follow on that? I mean what --

MR. CARNEY: If you must. (Laughter.)

Q: Well, somewhat must. I mean, why would it that someone who has made statements threatening to kill police officers get invited to --

MR. CARNEY: Keith, let me just make clear that we oppose --

Q: -- is it an appropriate thing for him to be here?

MR. CARNEY: He has spoken out about -- very strongly against -- as an elected official, as an American and as a father, against those kinds of lyrics. And he opposes them. But he does not think that that is the sum total of this particular artist’s work, which has been recognized by a lot of mainstream organizations and fair and balanced organizations like Fox News, which described his music as very positive.

Q: Are you sarcastic when you say that?

I am told that around this time, one of the reporters in the room, hoping to ask a question about the debt ceiling, was overheard whispering, "Is this really happening?" It was! (That reporter ended up not getting called on to ask an actual question of substance.)

Q: -- but I mean, is it then possible that whatever your overriding message -- that killing cops is a very serious matter -- you can basically say anything as long as your overriding message is positive and get invited to the White House?

MR. CARNEY: I’ve addressed this. We -- the President opposes those kinds of lyrics. He thinks they’re harmful. Again, I think that taking that -- it’s ironic to pick out those particular lyrics about this particular artist, when in fact, he’s known as a socially conscious hip-hop artist or rapper who has done a lot of good things. He’s not -- you can oppose some of what he’s done and appreciate some of the other things he’s done.

Q: Is there concern he’ll get associated with that?

MR. CARNEY: I think that’s all I can say on that.

I'm going to pull some stuff from Adam Serwer and Ben Greenman that Carney might want to use the next time confusion over hip-hop music, or even art in general, comes up. First of all, from Adam, here's some true facts about rap that Carney should just put on a flashcard:

Rappers are often conflated with the content of their material in a way other artists aren't because the narratives almost always take place in first person as part of an emcees' effort to create a literary persona. That's part of why William Shakespeare has never been accused of endorsing rape or domestic violence.

Anyone who wants to talk about this one poem from Common that caused this kerfuffle should actually learn what the poem's about and how it fits into Common's oeuvre. For that, here's Ben:

This isn’t the time or the place to debate the relative merits of poets, or, for that matter, to talk about the long history in hip-hop of giving voice to the powerless by ventriloquizing urban frustration and deploying violence in language rather than in life. Nor is it the time or the place to note that Common’s narrator actually rejects violence in favor of constructive thought: “No time for that, because there’s things to be done / Stay true to what I do so the youth dream come.” It might be the time and the place, though, to point out that Common has a long history as a socially conscious m.c., and that his 1994 song “I Used to Love H.E.R.” was explicitly concerned with the violence and misogyny in West Coast hip-hop. That song led to a feud between Common and Ice Cube, one of the godfathers of gangsta rap.

That's pretty critical, because not only does Obama oppose violent lyrics and think they're harmful, so does Common.

At any rate, let's hope that this is the last time rap music is ever discussed by White House reporters in our lifetimes. The end.

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Yesterday, we brought you word that a minor bit of nontroversy was brewing because the Chicago rapper Common -- whose music you've probably heard on the soundsystem whilst pricing stemware at Crate an...
Yesterday, we brought you word that a minor bit of nontroversy was brewing because the Chicago rapper Common -- whose music you've probably heard on the soundsystem whilst pricing stemware at Crate an...
 
 
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nmaddog7
02:40 PM on 05/15/2011
NJ State Police "Outraged" Over Rapper Invite to White House
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NJ-State-Police-Outraged-Over-Rapper-Invited-to-White-House-121596869.html

For New Jersey police, the outrage centers on "A Song for Assata" lyrics like "Your power and pride is beautiful. May God bless your soul."
01:11 PM on 05/18/2011
You do know that's C-Lo singing that right? So I guess we should also boycott NBC too. Get a clue.
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nmaddog7
02:35 PM on 05/15/2011
"In the Spirit of Assata Shakur.
We make this movement towards freedom"
"I'm thinkin' of Assata, yes.
Listen to my Love, Assata, yes.
Your Power and Pride is beautiful.
May God bless your Soul."
"but she's free with political asylum in Cuba."
-she escaped the Clinton Correctional Facility for Women in New Jersey, when three members of the Black Liberation Army visiting her drew concealed .45-caliber pistols, seized two guards as hostages and commandeered a prison van.[174]-
-New York City Police denied published reports that they had declined to raid a Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn building where Shakur was suspected to be hiding for fear of provoking a racial incident.[186]- cops couldn't carry out justice b/c of reverse racism
The Cuban government pays .... her living expenses
Her murder trial overturned b/c "ruling that the state had delayed too long in bringing her to trial"
"Assata Shakur, member of the Black Liberation Army (BLA) and no longer a member of the Black Panther Party"
Shakur was charged with two bank robberies, the kidnapping of a Brooklyn heroin dealer, attempted murder of two Queens police officers stemming from a January 23, 1973 failed ambush, and eight other felonies related to the Turnpike shootout.
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04:43 PM on 05/16/2011
do you know what racism is? can you give me a definition because i have never heard of a definition of reverse racism. I know that racism is oppression based on race but you seem unfamiliar with the history and nuance of racism and choose rather to subjectify a real phenomena with your politicizations. this is not tit for tat, using demonization to qualify who is the most righteous (or least wrong) it is rather a realisim that some will meet rancor with hubris. you remember when the police set the dogs and hoses on the people that in exercising their first ammendment rights were "enemies" of the state. how acrimonious of you to deny the history of malfeasance in America especially as it pertains to race and racism. you are banging a drum not keeping the melody. what is it, really, that you are trying to prove?
01:23 PM on 05/18/2011
So I guees charged = convicted right? Why don't you list why the cases were dismissed (bad policing, bad evidence, weak indictments)? It just doesn't serve your arguement. Or self-serving point of view. How convenient. I'd love to argue but since you are probably a sociopath, it wouldn't matter. Sociopath: Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal (that would be you and you 10-percenters who don't know rap, good policing or rue of law). Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.(in other words, croocked cops who shoot unarmed women TWICE and fake police reports to justify their means or people on blogs who ignore the entire story to cherrypick).

Anyway, Stew-beef clowned O'Reilly on his own show.
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nmaddog7
03:18 PM on 05/13/2011
Google "A Song for Assata" by Common. He praises the cop killing "revolutionary"(more like cold blooded murderer) Assata, who after brutally slaying a State Trooper as a political gambit for the Black Panthers fled to Cuba.
Common collaborates with Mos Def who had this to say about those who keep us safe at night in our cites and suburbs:".... police run around literally hunting black folks to murder... then cruise the streets shortly thereafter with impunity and arrogance"
Yet another connection to a Rev Wright-esque enemy of the boys in blue who is an America hating, racist who thinks it's a good day when a white cop(the working class in this country) is killed.
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12:16 AM on 05/14/2011
you exaggerate the righteous indignation of common and mos def for your vindication of malfeasance and police brutality that is cited in your own statement. the hubris involved has a long standing chronology and manifests today in our aiyanas, oscars and shawns. the polices use of violence as conflict resolution must stop.
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nmaddog7
07:51 PM on 05/14/2011
Well, thats why they use tazers now. Of course the "victims"(really another name for whining criminal) want the cops to stop using the tazers but of course not go back to guns,instead carry clubs like GB,London. However, unlike London, we have criminals high on meth w/ Ak47s walking the streets w/o fear of the cops. S I have no problem I very liberal use of tazers- if you refuse to listen,ZAP!
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Crispus-Attucks
Read Walter Williams!
06:02 AM on 05/13/2011
As usual, this author completely misses the point of why people are upset. Sure, we all agree that some of his lyrics are controversial and that songs condoning violence are inappropriate. We get that. Some of his lyrics are praiseworthy. We get that, too.

Perhaps the author would care to stop avoiding the real issue -- condoning the acts of real people who killed real police officers. That's why it's inappropriate for this person to be praised at the White House. Even the police unions agree.

http://www.hinterlandgazette.com/2011/05/nj-state-police-association-outraged.html
11:01 AM on 05/13/2011
I think you are missing the point. Common NEVER praised cop killing. The second thing is do you condemn every artist that chooses to imitate life through art? Does Francis Ford Coppola get demonized because of "the GodFather"? You must have glazed over the quote at the end of the 16 bars, “No time for that, because there’s things to be done / Stay true to what I do so the youth dream come.”
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nmaddog7
03:21 PM on 05/13/2011
Common A Song for Assata
"I'm thinkin' of assata, yeah.
Listen to my love, assata, yeah.
Your power and pride, so beautiful...
May God bless your soul. "
Assata murdered a state trooper in cold blood
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11:42 AM on 05/13/2011
since we are talking about police killings lets flip the script and ask how the family of aiyana jones feels at their loss it is hardly isolated chronologically
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larmarch5
06:57 PM on 05/12/2011
Other news about real news: Jim Lehrer is stepping down after 36 years at The News Hour. He will still host the Friday debate with Brooks and Shields. Gwen Ifill, Judy Woodruff, Jeffrey Brown, Ray Suarez and Margaret Warner will continue hosting the broadcast on a rotating basis.
 
 
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Beatriz09
06:56 PM on 05/12/2011
Excellent article Jason!
 
I REALLY would like to know what Sarah Palin or Hannity would reply to this .. .
 
I understand that they want to criticize the president etc. But why are they only using STUPID criticism, instead of fact-based criticism .. ?
 
The exchange with Jay was simply hilarious. Jon Stewart couldn't have done better ... :-)
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larmarch5
06:53 PM on 05/12/2011
How many more good people have to get Sherroded before viewers are shamed into turning Faux Gnus off?
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PitBull6
12:24 AM on 05/13/2011
Faux Gnus. Will have to add that to the list of silly ways some HP readers avoid saying the actual name of the company and channel. Very 5th grade and very Sean Hannity. Congrats.
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12:20 PM on 05/13/2011
saying the actual name sends it into "pending" sweety
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larmarch5
06:52 PM on 05/12/2011
Too bad Carney didn't just flip the switch and play Jon Stewart's opening on his show last night.
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Crispus-Attucks
Read Walter Williams!
06:06 AM on 05/13/2011
O'Reilly completely destroyed Stewart's piece. Poor Jon forgot to mention the cop-killing aspect of the rapper and he completely avoided the real reason why people are upset. Then he called FNC people a bunch of liars while knowingly sanitizing the real argument. Keep on watching a comedian for your news and your understanding of reality will remain a joke.

http://www.hinterlandgazette.com/2011/05/nj-state-police-association-outraged.html
11:04 AM on 05/13/2011
Common - “No time for that (i.e.-cop killing), because there’s things to be done / Stay true to what I do so the youth dream come.”
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11:51 AM on 05/13/2011
i feel it is more a symptom of people being and being used to being misinformed and still politicizing what little grounded reference they have. scripted dissent sells
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Darwan Winkler
playing in theaters near you
05:58 PM on 05/12/2011
"Hurricane" BoB Dylan ~ It was 635 words too long and I cut it in the middle.

Pistols shots ring out in the barroom night
Enter Patty Valentine from the upper hall
She sees the bartender in a pool of blood
Cries out "My God they killed them all"
Here comes the story of the Hurricane
The man the authorities came to blame
For something that he never done
Put him in a prison cell but one time he could-a been
The champion of the world.

Three bodies lying there does Patty see
And another man named Bello moving around mysteriously
"I didn't do it" he says and he throws up his hands
"I was only robbing the register I hope you understand
I saw them leaving" he says and he stops
"One of us had better call up the cops"
And so Patty calls the cops
And they arrive on the scene with their red lights flashing
In the hot New Jersey night.

Meanwhile far away in another part of town
Rubin Carter and a couple of friends are driving around
Number one contender for the middleweight crown
Had no idea what kinda $hit was about to go down
When a cop pulled him over to the side of the road
Just like the time before and the time before that
In Patterson that's just the way things go
If you're black you might as well not shown up on the street
'Less you wanna draw the heat.
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nmaddog7
09:47 PM on 05/14/2011
Bob Dylan earned the hate of that entire community when he wrote that song. He's refused to meet with the cop, who says Dylan had his lawyers tell him the equivalent of "Well, your loss buddy. Mr.Dylan is making big $$$s off your story and won't stop singing it"
There was a petition for Dylan to stop singing it more recently,seeing as the people he condemned have had their lives ruined- this only made Dylan more into singing it.
If you ask me ,Dylan comes off as a bad guy n this tale, as he is older now and refuses ro admit he destroyed another mans life through his song
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Darwan Winkler
playing in theaters near you
10:19 PM on 05/14/2011
well ?~ it's not "my" story but I offered it to offset any notions of "Poetry" and presented a "master" of political poetry.

What Irony ~ with your accounting ~ sounds like a bad night in New Jersey for everyone concerned. Many lives was lost, altered and changed forever.

If Common can put a positive spin on social strife and people want to listen to it, so be it.
If it only had some redeeming musical quality about it ~ maybe I'd like it as well.

We all live and die with the decision that we make. ~ That will not ever change but maybe the decision will. ~ There is a "cost" to pay.
05:55 PM on 05/12/2011
what a waste of time..a bunch of ..well mostly white guys discussing an art form they know nothing about.......lknda like the born again christians talking about sex education....or better yet tthe rhythm method....christian..rhythm....
.unless of course you are a michelle bachmann type, and had a swell and swollen time in parochial school especially in the back seat of your daddy's mustang..tang....
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PitBull6
12:25 AM on 05/13/2011
Agreed. It's how I feel when antiwar people and pacifists talk about the military.
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ljmck
Stand Up, Show Up, Speak Up
05:35 PM on 05/12/2011
Jon Stewart perfectly delegitimized the Right Wing whiners who criticize (and completely misunderstand) Common.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/jon-stewart-fox-news-common-outrage_n_860956.html?ir=Media


Best Daily Show segment EVER!
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obama20082012
36 repeal tries later....the GOP fails
09:31 PM on 05/12/2011
Indeed!
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Crispus-Attucks
Read Walter Williams!
06:17 AM on 05/13/2011
O'Reilly completely annihilated Stewart's piece. Jon conveniently forgot to mention the cop-killer aspect of the argument and then disingenuously called those who disagree with him 'liars.'

O'Reilly challenged him to debate the issue. Let's see if Jon has the stones to man up and do it, or maybe he'll cower away due to being called out for his deliberate attempt to distort the real argument.

http://www.xydo.com/articles/20055083-bill_o%E2%80%99reilly_hits_back_at_jon_stewart%E2%80%99s_epic_critique_of_fox_news_%E2%80%98common%E2%80%99_controversy
11:51 AM on 05/13/2011
I wish this was so black and white. O'Reilly brought up Assata, who we all can admit is a fugitive of the law. Apparently you didn't listen to the song when all it talked about was trial in which the state trooper lied on his police report that Assata was armed, yet shot twice. It was proven in the trial that she hap no gun powder residue or fingerprints on any of the weapons. Also after she got shot it would have been physically impossible for her to shoot a gun. But once again all Common mentioned was what was brought up in trial, that she was beaten white recieving treatment for her gunshots while in the hospital. Cops should be held to a higher standard. That's what this is about. In today's court system she would not be a "Cop killer" nor did she kill a cop that day.
I guess all cops are good cops right? But then again you just look at Fox Noise.
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emma richmond
04:44 PM on 05/12/2011
We give thanks to L. O'Donnell, last night he let us listen to Common, we didn't see anythig wrong and Then Jon Stewart, came in and made the case, he was explaining what not to do, FOX didn't play the end, they only played the RACE BAIT, WE AGREE WITH 866 LAST NIGH AT THE WH., WAS FANTASTIC WE ALSO AGREE WITH 1658 AND 1754. HANNITY IS MISSING BRAINS WITH NOTHING FLOATING UPSTAIRS BUT OIL.

EVERYTHING IS AWKWARD FOR THE WH., PRESS CORP., JUST AS THE BIRTHER BULL, THEY ONLY SHOW HOW IGNORANT AND STUPID THEY ARE AND DON'T DO THEY RESEARCH, WE CALL THAT LAZY, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THEY HOME WORK JUST AS JON STEWART AND L. O"DONNELL MSNBC DID, THAT WAY THEY WOULDN'T BE ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE THE FACT BEFORE THEM, IT'S TIME TO KICK THESE GUYS OUT., THEY ARE JUST SO HUNGRY THEY WILL GET ON ANY NUTTY TRAIN, VERY SAD NOW THEY ARE PANDERING FOR THE FAR RIGHT., WE WONDER HOW MUCH DID FOX PAY. THIS BULL DIDN'T WORK THIS TIME.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTING TO TALK ABOUT., SO THEY FIND OLD NEWS, VERY SAD.
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silvertongue
04:42 PM on 05/12/2011
As far as I can tell, it was only the Faux pundits questioning Common's participation.....duh. Whatever, Jon Stewart has responded brilliantly! Case closed.
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metogamekun
non-violence takes guts
05:54 PM on 05/12/2011
Stewart nailed 'em. It was a joy to watch. : )
04:39 PM on 05/12/2011
Todays MSM

Look........................................................................over here!!!

Meanwhile,

MSM can't decide the difference between truth and equivocation on deficit

Representatives who ran on jobs haven't introduced a plan for one

SCOTUS has given corporations free reign over our elections

State governors are taking individuals rights away

Re.thu.gs are stealing middle class safety nets and limiting womens rights

GWB and Co. are taking credit for the good done against ter.rori.sm and avoiding blame for all they left our nation to face.

Ensign is avoiding punishment and prosecution for ethics, bribes, and l.ie.s (bigger story is how this is now commonplace and acceptable from hypocrits).

These stories are endless and need attention but this story takes up WH, MSM and the public time because FAUX SNOOZE and their offspring (daily caller) say it does!!!!


UNBELIEVEABLE
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Jack Wiseley
Bootylicious
04:32 PM on 05/12/2011
And this is why the White House Press corp is useless.