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Obama, Netanyahu White House Meeting: Disputes 'Between Friends'

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BEN FELLER   05/21/11 12:54 AM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — In a blunt display of differences, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the idea of using his country's 1967 boundaries as the basis for a neighboring Palestinian state on Friday, declaring his objections face-to-face to President Barack Obama who had raised the idea just 24 hours earlier in an effort to revive stalled Mideast peace talks.

Though the two leaders, meeting in the Oval Office, found cordial and predictable agreement on the other central element that Obama outlined in his Mideast address Thursday – ironclad Israeli security alongside a Palestinian nation – progress on the bedrock issue of borders seemed as elusive as ever.

In his speech, Obama gave unprecedented prominence to a long-held U.S. stand that Israel opposes: A Palestinian state should be shaped around the border lines that existed before the 1967 war in which Israel took control of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. An essential part of what Obama proposed was that Israelis and Palestinians would also have to agree to swaps of land to account for Israeli settlements and other current conditions, a point Netanyahu failed to mention.

"While Israel is prepared to make generous compromises for peace, it cannot go back to the 1967 lines," Netanyahu declared. "These lines are indefensible."

As they sat together for public comments after their private meeting, Obama sought to put the disagreement in the best light, and in the context of a relationship of two allies – one, however, showing strains of impatience.

"Obviously there are some differences between us in the precise formulations and language," Obama said. "That's going to happen between friends."

He quickly added in a reassurance to Netanyahu: "What we are in complete accord about is that a true peace can only occur if the ultimate resolution allows Israel to defend itself against threats, and that Israel's security will remain paramount in U.S. evaluation of any prospective deal."

Obama and Netanyahu showed cordiality before the cameras. The president listened intently, his hand cupping his chin, as Netanyahu spoke passionately about his country's plight and how the path to peace should run.

"Remember that, before 1967, Israel was all of nine miles wide," Netanyahu said, emphasizing his words with his hands. "It was half the width of the Washington Beltway. And these were not the boundaries of peace; they were the boundaries of repeated wars, because the attack on Israel was so attractive."

Obama, frustrated by Mideast peace talks that have collapsed, is seeking to get both sides to contend with the issues of borders and security. Even progress on those enormous fronts would still leave unsettled the fate of Jerusalem and of Palestinian refugees. Netanyahu underscored just how difficult that last issue is alone, declaring that Palestinians will not be allowed to settle in Israel as part of any peace plan.

"It's not going to happen. Everybody knows it's not going to happen," he said. "And I think it's time to tell the Palestinians forthrightly it's not going to happen."

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said Netanyahu's comments with Obama were tantamount to "his total rejection of the Obama vision and speech."

"Without Mr. Netanyahu committing to two states on the 1967 lines, with mutually agreed swaps, he is not a partner to the peace process," Erekat said. "I think, when President Obama gave him a choice between dictation and negotiations, he chose dictation."

On the border matter, the Obama administration up until now has tried to summarize the positions of each party but had not taken a position itself. Obama's direct reference to the 1967 borders and land swaps in his speech incensed Israel, adding tension to the atmosphere of Netanyahu's visit.

As Obama pushes for a return to negotiations that he championed prominently last year, that prospect seems bleak.

Netanyahu said his nation could not negotiate with a Palestinian unity government that includes the radical Hamas movement, which refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist. He said that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas had to choose between continuing the deal with Hamas and making peace with Israel.

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said Netanyahu's rejection of a return to 1967 lines was "clear evidence that the negotiations option was a waste of time."

The comments from Netanyahu and Obama, after a longer-than-scheduled meeting that lasted over an hour-and-a-half, shed little light on how the peace process will advance.

The two leaders did not take questions from the press, and White House Press Secretary Jay Carney was unable in a subsequent briefing to point to any concrete signs of progress.

Netanyahu is to address Congress on Tuesday to press Israel's position.

On Thursday, Netanyahu was informed shortly before Obama's speech of its contents by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, according to U.S. officials. Netanyahu sought in vain to get the border language removed from the speech, the officials said. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive diplomatic exchange.

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Associated Press writers Erica Werner in Washington, Amy Teibel traveling with Netanyahu, Karin Laub in Ramallah, West Bank and Ibrahim Barzak in Gaza City contributed to this report.

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10:15 PM on 05/24/2011
HEY MUCK-RACKER: THERE ARE MILLIONS OF MEXICANS WISHING TO RETURN ALSO TO THEIR ANCESTRAL LAND(CALIF-ARIZONA-NEW MEXICO-TEXAS, UTAH, COLORADO) DO YOU AGREE WITH THEM? THE PALESTINIAN LAND IS JORDAN, THE PUPPET STATE CREATED BY ENGLAND FOR THE ARAB JET SET.
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QuakerJewish
Reality over myth.
06:16 PM on 05/27/2011
The US didn't clear the land of the Mexicans here in the southwest, They are still here. Always have been. Those coming across the border are not from here, they are from below the border.
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wsmith9686
02:08 PM on 05/23/2011
this is not a disagreement between friends. it is a disagreement between the user and used. the u.s.a. is the used. if we look at a map of what is to be a zionist greater israel, we will see that there are more wars to come to achieve this end. the folks in these other countries that are to be swallowed up to create this greater israel are not going to just give up their land and fade away. the unjust treatment the jews experienced in europe in the forties is not justification for the injustices going on the middle east today. most of the folks on the planet today had nothing to do with that. lets not let ourselves be saddled with guilt over something we had nothing to do with. we should start looking at the current situation with the palestinians for what it is, an injustice. what happened in europe over sixty years ago is no justification for it. our elected reps should be made to feel that they can put the american people first. organizations that use political terrorism to force our reps to put the citizens of any foreign gov't ahead of our own should not be allow to get away with it.
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Vinny123
09:35 AM on 05/23/2011
Today, Mohamed El Baredi, an Egyptian and former Director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, who is also seeking a possible candidacy as President of Egypt, stated that Egypt society is "disintegrating" due to lawlessness, loss of major income due to loss of tourism, investments from other countries and severe reduction of output from Egyptian industry. He noted that Egyptians were purchasing guns to protect themselves and that there is a lack of direction as to the process necessary to select a president and create a constitution.

In short Egypt is in big trouble, directionless, lacking a viable economy with lawlessness becoming commonplace. This outcome is not unexpected and demonstrates why it is necessary for Israel to take every effort to protect their borders and civilization because such chaos as is occuring in Egypt is also present in Syria, Yemen and Libya, thereby exposing Israel to danger from all flanks. Discontented people tend to scapegoat others for their unfortunate plight and Israel must make certain that such anger does not flow over into their country in the form of terrorist attacks. Another sign that Netanyahu took the correct stand to protect Israel's borders.
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09:26 AM on 05/23/2011
Megaphone is alive and well.
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CigarGod
What is your process?
08:47 AM on 05/23/2011
Great analysis of Obama's speech, broken down into easy to understand points:
http://electronicintifada.net/blog/ali-abunimah/obamas-speech-aipac-affirms-commitment-israel-and-us-policies-doom-it:
08:42 AM on 05/23/2011
President Obama offered a lifeline to Netanyahu but Netanyahu was too stupid and naive to grab it. President Obama said nothing every president since Nixon hasn't said, but it came at a time and place designed to hold off Palestine's demand for statehood before the General Assembly of the UN. Netanyahu completely lost it with his rude and bullying response, demonstrating how little he knows about what's happening in the real world. Israel is going to be totally isolated and left swinging in the wind now.
09:16 AM on 05/23/2011
So our President for "Change" repeated the same diatribe that we have used for 40 years?

Now there is a backhanded compliment.
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Vinny123
09:54 AM on 05/23/2011
"Netanyahu was too stupid and naive to grab it"? Just the opposite. As the leader of Israel, which is not only confronted with a notorious terrorist organization, Hamas, whose intention is to destroy Israel and kill its people, as delineated in their Charter, but with violence and chaos occuring in the majority of Arab countries surrounding them, necessitates Netanyahu making major decisions as to how best to defend Israel from possible destruction. The retention of the 1967 borders is a major part of this defense to provide a buffer for Israel in case of any attacks from their bellicose Arab neighbors.


"Too stupid"? No my friend, extremely perspicacious!
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
11:27 AM on 05/23/2011
maybe just obstreperous
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QuakerJewish
Reality over myth.
06:39 PM on 05/27/2011
That charter is 25 years old. Hamas was created by Israel. The whole point of a peace treaty is to put the hostilities aside. If Israel really wants to be recognized and that charter replaced, it needs to make a fair and just peace.

The constant drum beat about Hamas is just rhetoric to avoid a peace. Its old. Its tired. Hamas never has and never will have the ability to harm Israel in any meaningful way.
06:45 AM on 05/23/2011
Obama.. When the GOP complained about him getting the Nobel prize for nothing they were right. He has done nothing, from the financal crisis to peace initiaitives through out the world. As a matter of fact, he is the first US president that has unleashed the fury of the US army(through NATO) on the Black Continent(They were killing people in South Africa in the 80's and Rwanda in the 90's). Obama is a company man. We were all tricked into believing he stood for change. Just look at his cabinet and you see how much change he brought!!!. And to think he is in the picture above posing in front of a bust of MLK.
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Vinny123
07:54 AM on 05/23/2011
Please, speak for yourself! Not "all" of us were tricked.
09:17 AM on 05/23/2011
I second Vinny's comment.
06:36 AM on 05/23/2011
The 1967 borders are indefensible simply because Isreal has had a total disregard for UN resolutions that were in place or were proposed to limit there expansion through settlements. The US continues to deny certain people their liberty and the expense of others.

Everytime this issue comes up i remember Helen Thomas.. remember her.. the Grande Damme of the White House press corp. She made a statement for justice, she was fired in two days and since then we have never heard from her again. Thats the power of the Isreali Lobby.
09:19 AM on 05/23/2011
My favorite Helen Thomas article was the one she wrote about kissing Abraham Lincoln when his wife left the room.
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Vinny123
09:45 AM on 05/23/2011
Helen Thomas is an Arab and allowed her ethnicity to interfere with her objectivity as a Journalist resulting in her not merely expressing credible and cogent statements in disagreement with Israel's policies towards the Palestinians BUT made blatant anti-Semitic comments that were completely out of touch with reality!

If Helen Thomas is the best person you can recall to support your positions than perhaps you may also wish to consider Arafat, the murderer and ultra-terrorist, who was awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace! That will help bolster the credibility of your comments almost as much as Helen THomas's did (LOL).
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02:35 AM on 05/23/2011
Israel has a population of around seven million and we let them walk all over us like were are a second-class power. Isn't it about time they learned the reality of their position in the world and their need for our goodwill to survive and prosper..
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Vinny123
08:05 AM on 05/23/2011
Because Israel is taking a strong stand to protect their security and best interests does not mean they are "walk(ing) all over us like we're a second-class power". They have every right to do so, just as any other country in the International Community would do!

Btw, they have "learned" the reality of their position in the world as evidenced by the major changes occuring around them in Arab countries, much of which poses a potential danger to them. That is the reason for them to take strong positions, although not popular with many, but mandatory to ensure Israel's survival.
09:56 AM on 05/23/2011
Vinny, if we ever meet, coffe is on me!
11:33 PM on 05/22/2011
Wow, the news agencies sure are quiet recently on Washington issues.
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kaydellc
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08:04 PM on 05/22/2011
Ya, but it is one hell a way to treat a friend! I do not know to many you have to come through the rear door the last time the PM was here or the getting a broadside from the President.
07:40 PM on 05/22/2011
The "skilled" diplomat, Netanyahu, has pretty much helped to isolate Israel from all of it's allies in the world. Many commentators, including conservative pro-Israeli ones, have commented on the disrespectful way he gave a "history" lesson to President Obama. It might have made Netanyahu feel better, but it was a foolish thing to do.

Netanyahu can do his best, to help influence American politics and defeat President Obama come next election, but that's not going to change the facts on the ground no matter who win's the next US presidential election.
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Vinny123
11:10 PM on 05/22/2011
Better to be "isolated" and alive than to please so-called allies who are not endangered whatsoever by decisions they wish to impose on Israel!
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
05:06 AM on 05/23/2011
The Quartet issued a statement in support of Obama's comments: http://www.consilium.europa.eu//uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/EN/foraff/122138.pdf
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kathysmith2k7
07:12 PM on 05/22/2011
Are you serious, obama snubbed the prime minister last time he was there, now this. The Prime Minister graduated from Harvard and MIT, he has more sense in his pinkie then obama and his advisers. If only congress had enough guts, which they do not to impeach him..
12:56 AM on 05/23/2011
Impeach Obama for what?

FYI, Obama graduated from Harvard Law magna cum laude and went to Columbia for his undergraduate degree...what's your point about Netanyahu's own academic achievements?
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muck-raker
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04:17 PM on 05/22/2011
Barack Obama is recognized to be a person of acute intelligence,, careful with his choice of words. He deserves to be taken seriously -- what he says, . Particularly significant is his first substantive statement on foreign affairs, on January 22, at the State Department, when introducing George Mitchell to serve as his special envoy for Middle East peace.
Mitchell is to focus his attention on the Israel-Palestine problem, in the wake of recent US-Israeli invasion of Gaza. During the murderous assault, Obama remained silent apart from a few platitudes, because, he said, there is only one president -- a fact that did not silence him on many other issues. His campaign did, however, repeat his statement that "if missiles were falling where my two daughters sleep, I would do everything in order to stop that." He was referring to Israeli children, not the hundreds of Palestinian children being butchered by US arms, about whom he could not speak, because there was only one president.

Obama's talk emphasized his commitment to a peaceful settlement. He left its contours vague, apart from one specific proposal: "the Arab peace initiative," Obama said, "contains constructive elements that could help advance these efforts. Now is the time for Arab states to act on the initiative's promise by supporting the Palestinian government under President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad, taking steps towards normalizing relations with Israel, and by standing up to extremism that threatens us all."

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20090124.htm
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Reality over myth.
07:15 PM on 05/27/2011
"if missiles were falling where my two daughters sleep, I would do everything in order to stop that."

A very cleverly worded statement. Was he talking about Israeli or Palestinian weapons?
Think for a minute. Rockets were fired on Israel. Israel posseses the missiles. There is a huge distinction between the two. One can see the manner and use of the two in daily conversation in regards to this situation. It was during the Gaza War when rockets were fired at Israel and Israel was firing the missiles of mass destruction. Very clever wording indeed.

Good post.
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muck-raker
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04:13 PM on 05/22/2011
Is Israel a rogue state?

Unless we are wilfully blind to the murder of unarmed people on an aid ship in international waters, the answer is an unequivocal yes.

Like so much of the language that journalists use about Israel, ever frightened of being called anti-Semitic, “rogue” is soft. Israel is a criminal state.

No other country has such a record of lawlessness. Israel has defied hundreds of United Nations resolutions.

The right of Palestinians to return to their homeland, the most basic right of all human beings, has been reaffirmed at least 135 times as “the will of the international community”, yet has been defied contemptuously.

“We have never had it so good,” said an Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman in 2006. “The hasbara effort (propaganda) is a well-oiled machine.”

Relentless propaganda that presents Israel as perpetual victim has seeped into western consciousness to such a degree an openly piratical attack on a ship carrying humanitarian aid is described by the BBC’s diplomatic correspondent merely as a “potential public relations disaster for Israel”.

The horror that rained down on the Gaza flotilla, like Israel’s medieval siege of the imprisoned people of Gaza, who are mostly malnourished children, has little to do with Israel’s “right to exist” and everything to do with Palestine’s right to exist.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=john+pilger+on+israel&aq=0&aqi=g1g-v2&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e5b130cc10bf5fa1
DoTheMath
We're outspent, but they're outnumbered
07:34 PM on 05/22/2011
A Palestinian I used to work with in the 90s told me a common saying in his community: American parents hope their children will come home from school with their backpacks. Palestinian parents hope their children won't come home from school IN their backpacks.
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Vinny123
11:13 PM on 05/22/2011
Quite frankly the only thing that is "rogue' is your post which is so inundated with disinformation and distorted facts that it lacks even a modicum of credibility that would motivate anyone from responding to each allegation you assert!
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
04:53 AM on 05/23/2011
obviously you resent it when one brings some truth to this site...It is then John Pilger a World celebrated journalist that wrote the piece, I am merely a messenger of TRUTH
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QuakerJewish
Reality over myth.
07:18 PM on 05/27/2011
Vinny, not one incorrect statement and his analysis is beyond reproach. Rogue is too soft a word to describe the militant Zionist regime in Israel.

Your own statements never rise above partisan snide swipping at those whose intelligence and careful preparation of statements far exceed your own ability to communicate. Sorry, but so true.