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Reducing Pennsylvania's Unemployment Insurance 'A Fairness Thing,' GOP Lawmaker Says

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First Posted: 05/20/11 04:00 PM ET Updated: 07/20/11 06:12 AM ET

A Republican member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives says he wants to reform the state's unemployment insurance system in part because the way benefits are currently calculated lets workers take a paid vacation for most of the year.

"This is a fairness thing," Rep. Scott Perry said in an interview with The Huffington Post. "What we're trying to accomplish here is to make sure the system is solvent for people who are truly needy."

Perry's bill would save the state $632 million a year through 2018, according to an analysis by the Pennsylvania Department of Labor and Industry. The measure would achieve most of the savings by changing the way benefit amounts are calculated. Under current Pennsylvania law, the size of a claimant's weekly check is based either on his highest quarterly earnings in the previous year or 50 percent of his full-time weekly wage, whichever is higher. (More detailed explanations are available on the department's website.) Perry would change the former method to base benefits on the average of a claimant's best three quarters.

While it sounds like a small, technical change, it would reduce payouts to unemployed workers by $463 million a year because 70 percent of claimants in Pennsylvania have uneven wages during the course of a year and would no longer receive benefits based on just their best three months. The average weekly payment would drop from $324 to $277, according to Sharon Dietrich of Community Legal Services, a nonprofit that advocates for the legal rights of low-income Pennsylvanians.

And the change would stop people from abusing the system, Perry said.

"We have people that might work only one quarter of the year and are making more on unemployment than somebody that works all year long at a sustained job," he said. "How is that fair?"

Is there a significant number of lazy, dishonorable Pennsylvanians with such a keen grasp of the state's unemployment compensation formula?

"Believe it or not, there are people out there that understand the system very well and use it in that regard," Perry said, adding that he learned of the problem from people who adjudicate unemployment claims. "It’s not a huge proportion of the unemployment-receiving population, but there are those individuals out there and that’s not the type of thing as a government, as a society, that we want to incentivize, in my opinion."

Dietrich, who strongly opposes Perry's proposal, does not believe such a problem exists.

"Not only have I never heard of it, I can't imagine it," she said. "I have been practicing [unemployment compensation] law for 25 years, and I wouldn't understand benefit calculation enough to manipulate the system. UC benefit calculation is arcane, technical stuff. I simply don't believe that laypeople would know how to game the system in that way, much less that they are doing it."

Also, people who voluntarily leave their jobs aren't eligible for benefits except under very specific circumstances.

Perry's bill would reduce the massive deficit in the Pennsylvania's unemployment trust fund, which has borrowed $3.8 billion from the federal government. Perry said he doesn't think the unemployed should have to settle for low-paying jobs.

"We’re not asking anyone, and this bill doesn’t ask anyone, to take a job of appreciably lesser pay than what the person was normally apt to receive prior to their unemployment," Perry said. "We’re asking them to take jobs doing the same type of work at the same type of pay if those jobs are available. We understand that people have bills to pay and their living standards to maintain, but if there are jobs available which allow them to do that I think it’s appropriate for them to take those jobs and it’s inappropriate for them to stay on unemployment if those jobs are available in reasonably close proximity to where they live."

Perry's bill also includes a provision that will preserve the state's eligibility for the federal Extended Benefits program, which gives the long-term unemployed their final 20 weeks of assistance in states with high unemployment rates. In several other states in recent months, including Michigan and Missouri, Republican lawmakers have paired measures to keep Extended Benefits with measures to reduce state benefits. If no law is passed, 45,000 Pennsylvanians will stop receiving EB checks after June 11.

The state House of Representatives will consider Perry's bill on Monday.

Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly reported that the bill would save $632 million through 2018. The bill will save $632 million each year through 2018.

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StJames 04:18 PM on 05/20/2011
Where are all of these comparable jobs Perry?  I just love how they insist jobs are there but people don't want to work.  Here's the truth of the matter, the reason 5% unemployment is considered "full employment" is because there is always some segment of the population that is not employed and is not really employable.  They drift in and out of jobs...staying in one just long enough to file  Read More...
04:15 PM on 05/23/2011
it's not fair to provide unemployement compensation - why? because those people paid into it? or most likely because it cuts into the republican's plan for more tax cuts for the rich - you know the rich - they're the ones who are "supposed" to create jobs. yea. right.
09:45 AM on 05/23/2011
Oh sure. Sounds very fair. Bail out with trillions those who melt down the jobs and cut unemployment benefits of those who lost their jobs due to the massive fraud that not one person has been indicted for committing.

Ridiculous.
thekid360
Black, Union and Proud, Booyah
08:49 PM on 05/22/2011
It defies logic,why would a worker manipulate his employment to receive a lower amount money using any calculation. For anyone to want to deal with a system that has built in frustration would have to be out of their mind. A perfect example would be this republican proposal, why participate in a system when you know people like this guy is staying up late at night, trying to figure out how to screw people. Unemployment is tax a paid to protect a worker when they have become unemployed and in need of assistance, however it has been hijacked by the republican party and reduced to sad documentary titled "Begging for Dollar$ ".
04:27 PM on 05/22/2011
Has is occurred to any of you enablers, whiney niners, sympathizers, that most of us are tired of hearing about the unemployed? If not, well whats happening now is YOUR wake up call. There will be no more handouts past 99 weeks...believe that. And there will be more changes in the upcoming months. Stay tuned.
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tubette
05:45 PM on 05/22/2011
There is a new book called Twelve Steps to Compassion, I highly recommend you read it.
Golfrrs
Only "U" Can save us from the GOP Terrorism
06:33 PM on 05/22/2011
Compassion requires a level of intellectual thought. Something "Hotness" has failed to achieve or will ever achieve.
09:27 AM on 05/23/2011
How nice. A touch feely book, so you can feel good about yourself and pretend you care.
10:28 PM on 05/22/2011
"Just build a wall around the country club until the slump is through" I hope they catch you cheating on your taxes.
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Whinger
I'm Just Me!
04:26 PM on 05/22/2011
Fairness is not on the Republican to do list....

Kicking the poor and the unemployed in the teeth is...!
04:21 PM on 05/22/2011
No....being fair is to stop giving oil companies and corporations subsidy and tax breaks. In addition, tax the top 2% at a higher rate. If they think that what all of these Republican Governors are doing to their states is a fair thing, I would hate to think what they believe isn't fair.
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Joseph Arechavala
04:09 PM on 05/22/2011
The infamous 'abusing the system' argument, used, in this case, by Republicans to screw everyone who is unemployed.
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BrunswickGaDem
03:09 PM on 05/22/2011
I notice that the Repug legislator is using another GOP dog whistle. Repugs and other right-wingers assuage their consciences and flaunt their supposed "Christian values" while cutting unemployment payments, nutrition and healthcare for the poor, and education assistance for middle-working class families by saying that they want funds to go to the "truly needy". They never define just who those truly needy are, but they're obviously not the poor. In their minds the "truly needy" are limited to the Koch Brothers, the Walton Family, Exxon-Mobil, BP, hedgefund managers, and Wall Street banksters.

Republican hypocrisy would be funny if it weren't for the fact that they seem to be intend on further devastating those did little or nothing to bring on the current economic crisis and who are suffering most as a result of it in order to enhance the wealth and comfort of those already obscenely wealthy who are most responsible. When Christ referred to "the least among you", He wasn't referring to the Koch Brothers, the Walton Family, or Wall Street CEO's; although if you were to measure them by their human compassion or their love of their country, I guess they are the least among us.
04:09 PM on 05/22/2011
Its a dog eat dog world. Thats life.
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tubette
05:46 PM on 05/22/2011
Not sure where you get your beliefs, but obviously you don't know anything about Karma.
Golfrrs
Only "U" Can save us from the GOP Terrorism
06:35 PM on 05/22/2011
Must be from China. They are the only ones who eat dog. Are you here on a visa?
02:24 PM on 05/22/2011
maybe if the state reps cut back on their salary and benefits there would be more money. get rid of perry!!!
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Seabee 1
Vet, Blue Collar
02:15 PM on 05/22/2011
What is not fair is the salary and all the perks our reps in PA get.
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Skepticat
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01:17 PM on 05/22/2011
Always curious to note Republican "fairness" always means substantially less for the poor and unemployed.
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liberal
My Doxie Rocks
12:26 PM on 05/22/2011
For who?
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fringebenefit
12:08 PM on 05/22/2011
Do you have to burn the whole field just to kill a few weeds, fairness now theirs a word why don't you just give them the jobs that you promised.
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zooperman
10:52 AM on 05/22/2011
" The average weekly payment would drop from $324 to $277...And the change would stop people from abusing the system, Perry said..."

Abusing the system? $324/week??? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! What an idiot!
04:13 PM on 05/22/2011
Don't take the money if its such a laughable amount. There are a LOT of people that would cheat to get a free 324.00 a week if they could get away with it.
Golfrrs
Only "U" Can save us from the GOP Terrorism
06:36 PM on 05/22/2011
Lets have their names?
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Peter Boehringer
Dona nobis pacem
08:25 PM on 05/22/2011
You seem to have no idea how much money it takes to run a household.
10:17 AM on 05/22/2011
**For over a year, millions of Americans called 99ers have gone without any income or jobs, because none are available. We are not being covered by the news stations. We need your support! We need Jobs or help not welfare. For more information please Google “99ers” “Tier V”.**
**“Wikipedia says” “99ers is a colloquial term for unemployed people in the United States, mostly citizens, who have exhausted all of their unemployment benefits, including all unemployment extensions”. We need your help and support because The President, The Senate, Congress and the News Media have ignored suffering Americans with families and no means of support. We are becoming, homeless, destitute, suicidal and plain desperate. We need the help and support of every American to support our cause until jobs become available.**

Apparently there is $31 billion sitting in a bank account which is unemployment money we have paid in. Republicans wants to take that money and turn it over to the states to use to give more tax cuts to the corporations that downsized our jobs. This is a diversion and misappropriation of public funds.
11:51 AM on 05/23/2011
There ARE jobs out there, but you are likely going to have to take a substantial pay cut. I can guarantee you can find a minimum wage job in the service industry that requires no skills. That's $290 a week in gross compensation.
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silverstreet
All you need is love
02:00 PM on 05/23/2011
Count, Did you read about the thousands of people who tried to get a job at McDonald's? Did you read about it? It's easier to get a place in Harvard than it is to get a job at McDonalds. There are NOT a lot of minimum wage jobs out there waiting to be filled.
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silverstreet
All you need is love
02:03 PM on 05/23/2011
There are NOT a lot of "minimum wage jobs" out there waiting to be filled. When ONE minimum wage job opens up, SIX people apply. Or, in the case of McDonalds--thousands apply. Aren't you keeping up with the news?