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Greek Prime Minister Papandreou Rejects Debt Restructuring

George Papandreou

First Posted: 05/21/11 11:11 PM ET Updated: 07/21/11 06:12 AM ET

ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece must avoid debt restructuring and push on with budget cuts and privatisations to overcome its debt crisis, the country's Prime Minister George Papandreou and senior ECB officials said on Saturday.

Papandreou must present a fiscal plan next week that is credible enough for the European Union and the International Monetary Fund to continue bankrolling his debt-laden country.

But a large majority of Greeks reject more austerity, according to a poll published on Saturday, which also shows the ruling socialists losing their lead versus the conservative opposition for the first time since their 2009 election victory.

"Debt restructuring is not under discussion," Papandreou said in an interview in Sunday newspaper Ethnos.

One year into its EU/IMF 110-billion euro bailout, Greece is struggling with weak revenues and deep recession, fuelling speculation that it will have to restructure its debt to pull itself out of the fiscal mess that triggered a euro zone crisis.

The chairman of the 17-country Eurogroup Jean-Claude Juncker said on Tuesday Greece may have to move toward a "soft restructuring" of its debt.

But the European Central Bank remains strongly opposed to such a move, due to fears that it would destabilise the euro.

Greece has no other option but to follow through its fiscal plan, ECB governing council member Ewald Nowotny told Greek newspaper To Vima on Saturday. "For the ECB, the line is one and clear: you have to implement the commitments you have made."

In a separate interview in newspaper Kathimerini, ECB executive board member Juergen Stark said any kind of debt restructuring would thwart the country's return to bond markets and undermine reforms. "We are at a critical juncture, what it really takes now is action," Stark said.

On Friday, Fitch became the second major ratings agency to warn that it would consider any kind of debt restructuring as a sovereign default -- exactly the kind of outcome euro zone governments are trying to avoid.

Asked by Ethnos if he would consider a debt "reprofiling" rather than a restructuring, Papandreou said: "We are looking after our job... We do not join the public discussion about such scenarios."

LIMITS OF AUSTERITY, PRIVATISATIONS

Greece is considering deeper cuts in public sector wages and further tax increases on a range of products and professions to qualify for more aid, Greek newspapers said on Saturday.

The plan may include scrapping bonuses to civil servants and employees in state-run companies, newspapers Ta Nea and Isotimia reported, without citing any sources.

The government may also lower or scrap tax-free thresholds on property holdings and the self-employed, raise consumption taxes on soft drinks and certain fuel types or shift a range of products to a higher VAT-bracket, other newspapers said.

Papandreou vowed on Saturday to take any measure necessary to secure more funding for his country. "Greece must convince everyone of its determination," he said.

But a large majority of Greeks say they cannot take more austerity as the country enters its third year of recession.

Eighty percent of respondents told pollster MRB they refused to make any further sacrifices to get more EU/IMF aid, an MRB poll for paper Realnews showed.

The same poll shows Papandreou's ruling Socialist PASOK neck-and-neck with the opposition conservatives, with both parties scoring 21.5 percent each. In the previous MRB poll in April, PASOK had an 1.8 point-lead.

But Papandreou warned that any failure to push through the plan might lead the country straight to default. "At the moment, it does not seem as if Greece can cover its 2012 borrowing needs... from the market," he said in the interview.

Papandreou pledged to speed up a 50 billion euro privatisation programme, a key part of efforts to shore up finances without a debt restructuring. However, he reiterated that the state would keep stakes in firms managing vital public goods and services, such as water and electricity utilities.

In an interview with German magazine Der Spiegel, Juncker urged Greece to set up a trustee institution to help privatize state assets, similar to the body that privatised East German companies after the fall of communism.

"Henceforth, the European Union will escort Greece's privatisation programme as if we were conducting it ourselves," he said.

(Editing by Philippa Fletcher)

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04:30 PM on 05/22/2011
"Papandreou must present a fiscal plan next week that is credible enough for the European Union and the International Monetary Fund to continue bankrolling his debt-laden country.

But a large majority of Greeks reject more austerity, according to a poll published on Saturday, which also shows the ruling socialists losing their lead versus the conservative opposition"

In other words, Greece has run out of spending other people's money and the people don't want it to end . . .

At the end of the day, the numbers are the numbers and left, right or center . . . if the money isn't there, cuts must be made.
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nickmantas
02:10 PM on 05/22/2011
Of course, God forbid he does anything sensible for the good of the country and average person, just like Obama here, first and foremost he takes care of the banks and the filthy rich, screw the people.
04:32 PM on 05/22/2011
It's not their call buddy, Greece nor the people of Greece are the ones paying the bills now.

The EU won't allow it because it will hurt the rest of the European countries by ruining their currency.

"European Central Bank remains strongly opposed to such a move, due to fears that it would destabilise the euro."
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01:45 PM on 05/22/2011
Ok, the Greeks don't want cuts.

Do the Greeks have something akin to the democratic party who will raise taxes?
12:17 PM on 05/22/2011
It always astounds me that in all this talk of further cuts against the middle class and privatization and taxation of goods, no one ever dares mention taxing the wealthy of Greece. Through corruption, cronyism, legal trickery and outright evasion, the wealthiest in Greece get away with murder in terms of not paying their taxes.
People in the US love to point to Greece and say that their middle class is spoiled and entitled, and that the US will come to this point as well if it implements 'socialist' programs. Well they're right, the US is headed down this road, but not for the reasons they think. Taxing the wealthy and enforcing those taxes would have averted a lot of this trouble, and if lawmakers in the US don't wise up, we'll have the devil to pay.
04:38 PM on 05/22/2011
"It always astounds me that in all this talk of further cuts against the middle class and privatizat­ion and taxation of goods, no one ever dares mention taxing the wealthy of Greece"

What's astounding is your knowledge of Greece. Greece doesn't have a bunch of billionaires . . . they has TWO . . . the richest guy in the country has a worth or $5 billion (not liquid assets obviously).

You couldn't even get to the $110 billion they were given by taking every dollar from these people.
03:55 PM on 05/23/2011
Did I say 'billionaires'? No. The fact is that among the upper classes (which of course is a relative term) and anyone NOT working for the government (whose income is of course known to the government), dodging taxes is a national past time. And they get away with it because there are no enforcement measures to speak of.
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CashCrop101
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11:20 AM on 05/22/2011
"Greece must avoid debt restructuring and push on with budget cuts and privatisations to overcome its debt crisis"

Conservative Here.

This will not work, not without a complete cultural transformation you need to implement both at the same time and even then it will take years.
11:07 AM on 05/22/2011
The Greek state employess will lose their Eastern Bonuses.I am up for this kind of austerity if there is someone who will keep paying my bills indefinately. Lol.Greeks are very ,very smart indeed.They will cut just a bit, painless, but will keep gettting the big $$$$$ from Europe.Greece-Europe's welfare state.
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Jack Daniels Esq
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10:46 AM on 05/22/2011
Greece is one of many - they never recovered from the War, Marshall Plan, never will
10:44 AM on 05/22/2011
It's a sad commentary on the critical thinking skills of most of the posters here that the conversation never rises above Victorian Era moralism, petty partisan point scoring, and the dubious ethical standards of a third rate Certified Public Accountant. Can't we see patterns here? Can't we think deductively?

The Greek/Portuguese/Irish/Icelandic debt problems are always looked at ahistorically. Does anyone remember three years ago when we had the biggest meltdown of the advanced capitalist world in eighty years? One that required the infusion/guarantee of trillions of dollars to bankers across the globe? Banks who have laughed all the way to the bank while unemployment and austerity ravage the working people of the world? But, yeah, let's blame the Athenian transit worker for this mess. They've lived high on the hog for too long!

Fact is, the financial bubbles that have exploded over the last 30 years present themselves like a grand world tour: Africa-->Southeast Asia-->Mexico-->Brazil-->Russia-->Argentina-->Dot Come, etc etc. All this to paper over global stagnation since the 1970s.

Conservatives are so blinded by their ideology that they will willingly impose starvation and misery upon 90% of the world in the service of an abstraction. Liberals can't face the fact that capitalism is failing because they think a new era of New Deals is always right around the corner. Keep waiting for the Obamas and Papandreous of the world to save you, I'll be organizing with my coworkers and community.
11:11 AM on 05/22/2011
If you and your community focused on creating employment rather than extortion schemes, maybe you'd be helping.
11:25 AM on 05/22/2011
I believe it was Henry Paulson (Tresury Sec. and ex-Goldman Sachs) who successfully extorted trillions from the American taxpayers. I believe it is the German and French banks that are extorting the Greek taxpayers today.

But yeah, people just trying to survive are the real criminals. You'd do well in Elizabethan England where they just hung the landless and jobless.
11:32 AM on 05/22/2011
The era of New Deals is always right around the corner, its what keep priests, politicians and bankers up at night. Right or left its called revolution or social evolution, which ever the case may be. We are about to find out what the deal really is soon enough for all the reasons you mention, which is spot on. Good luck and Peace.
11:50 AM on 05/22/2011
Perhaps we agree, but I think we are going to have to get bolder and more experimental than the US New Deal in this next round. Only time will tell!

Good luck and peace to you too.
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kevrob
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10:31 AM on 05/22/2011
Isn't it amazing how bad decisions snowball?  Isn't it also amazing how elected "leaders" will continue to make bad decisions to solidify their next election?
 
 
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Casey Collier
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09:21 AM on 05/22/2011
Debt ......................cripes, EVERY freakin' country on the planet is in debt, except China I think. And when I think about it China holds the USA's IOUs that are so vast THEY CAN'T BE REPAID. Here's a novel idea, nobody owes anything, forgive all debt and start over. BUT, no country cannot ever again borrow, all must live within their means. Sorta means countries can't borrow money to give to socialist programs that really just continue providing poverty. But perhaps the best example is a country cannot borrow enough to provide military excursions into another country. Oh well. just sayin'....................
10:37 AM on 05/22/2011
So every US savings bond should become worthless? Banks and seniors around the world would be wiped out. armageddon.
11:43 AM on 05/22/2011
Its not like they wern't warned that putting people into generational debt slavery as a way to "pay" for retirement wasnt a good idea, the slaves may not like it. But don't worry, the bullets and the bombs make sure it goes on for at least a bit longer. You have that to look forward to. Peace.
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Casey Collier
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08:28 AM on 05/25/2011
So the answer to the ever spiraling upward debt crisis is?
10:40 AM on 05/22/2011
One thing though, most of our dept is held by our own citizens. I suppose a lot of Greece's dept is, too, in private hands. I would not like to see my treasury bonds be worthless.
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Casey Collier
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08:33 AM on 05/25/2011
T Bills are paying little these days yet the cost to the USA zooms upward at an F16 pace. That guy Nero and his fiddlin' while Rome burned seems an appropo symbol for our government and citizens, too.
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09:18 AM on 05/22/2011
America can again be great!!....stop the insane war spending and save billions...stop the insane tax cuts and save billions....impose tariffs on imports are bring back the jobs that were shipped overseas....break up the big banks and bring back Glass-Steagle...stop the fed from printing money in secret...start opening banks that are owned by the states (like North Dakota)...enact Medicare for all and end the insane health insurance crisis...stop the insane tax breaks to fossil fuels...get ALL special interest $$$ out of politics and enact public financing for all fed elections as well as instant run off voting...start a 21st century WPA and put people to work rebuilding our nations electrical grid, and overall infrastructure.

We know what to do....real conservatives and real progressives can come together on the solutions, just stand up and do it.
09:57 AM on 05/22/2011
Will never happen. Monied interests will continue to corrupt the system as long as there are strict laws against that.
10:43 AM on 05/22/2011
we need the military, i like my tax cuts, protectionism is bad, regulations on banks are coming, but most of it is reactionary nonsense, the fed dosn't do things in secret, medicare is going to bankrupt america inthe long run, drill baby drill, leave democracy alone, and dont even think about letting uncle sam become an even bigger employer.

You are in fantasy land.
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12:57 PM on 05/22/2011
We spend more on the military than the next 20 countries combined...our tax rates are the lowest in 50 years...we "react" to the banks by guaranteeing we will always bail them out when they gamble with our deposits...can we walk in an audit the feds books like any other bank?...i'll take Medicare any day over the for-profit health insurance companies...more drilling in America will not guarantee that America gets the oil and as far as lowering prices, all the American oil is like a coffee cup full being poured into a lake...our democracy has been supplanted by big money thanks to Citizens United, the vast majority comes from corporate interests...and who was it that built the Hoover Dam? the Golden Gate bridge? our telephone infrastructure? our national highway system?

Who's living in fantasy land now?
09:11 AM on 05/22/2011
I have been living in Greece the last 16 years and here some reasons I think we have this mess:

Greece has a bloated state apparatus. The number of civil servants in the country is high and they are not only stagnant but counter productive. Those who do work (and there are many), work with minimal means and for minor results.

Private enterprise in Greece is marred with political cronyism. Getting a license or any govt issued work permit can take months! Over-regulation, changing tax codes and heavy taxation (to subsidize the heavy state) dont make for a sound investment enviroment. Private business is so dependent on the state either dealing directly with state budgets or the need to get state grants, that competition is virtually non existent. Oligarchs simply rule. Merit is of little value.

Profit is a demonized word in all it's capacity yet 'stealing' from the state with fake pensions and govt assistance for those who don't deserve it or need it is looked upon as being clever. A sound and fair welfare state which is necessary in all societies is so under funded in Greece because of personal/political objectives.

Excellent teachers for example are compromised by bad ones and nothing can be done about it. Instead of having the appropiate number of teachers well paid and respected, its just the opposite.

Nepotism, corruption and a do less and ask for more mindset has crippled this society.
09:52 AM on 05/22/2011
Government should serve as an employment system when the private sector cannot employ the entire workforce.
10:53 AM on 05/22/2011
Thats what greece has been doing for 50 years
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10:56 AM on 05/22/2011
Government should employ no one except for essential services. Especially during a financial crisis.
09:04 AM on 05/22/2011
"The Greek Anti-Poverty Network estimates that the national poverty rate has already
risen to 25%, while a recent research by the Economics University of Athens shows that one in eleven inhabitants (over 18 years of age) in the Attica region see help from charities and turn to them for free meals."

http://www.crop.org/viewfile.aspx?id=228

Now they're going to impose more austerity? I hope there is a method to the PM's madness here. More austerity is obviously unsustainable. I read somewhere that it is in Greece's interests to prolong the period of time before it defaults. I hope that is the case. Otherwise, I see no long-term strategy. In the past (mostly before he assumed office), the PM received a lot of humanitarian awards, and that's great, but I hope he knows what he is doing here.
09:24 AM on 05/22/2011
Well, I wish they'd default and get it over with.

I wish them good luck in getting one more dime out of the IMF or other nations in the future, though. Good thing, too. I can't stand the thought of some of my tax dollars going to that bloated socialist society.
09:54 AM on 05/22/2011
The problem comes down to how willing the German taxpayer will be to continue to support the average Greek tax cheat.
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02:34 PM on 05/22/2011
where do you get this stuff from?
while there is a problem with tax evasion,
the german taxpayer not burdened but the german banks are making a handsome profit from this situation
09:19 PM on 05/22/2011
It's a bit more complex than that. When I was there and trying to run a business, I ran into a very funny issue. Their tax system is such that if I was doing well in my business, in order to satisfy the tax laws I'd basically have to give all my daily earnings and a bit out of pocket to be compliant! This seemed so ludicrous to me that I went to the bureau of taxation and spoke with the head supervisor for my district, confronting him with this revelation. He agreed it was exactly so - he told me the system expected that I was going to cheat the tax codes and so they over-compensate by having exaggerated tax structures! Yes folks, I was told flat out by the authorities i was expected to cheat. From what I hear, those are now considered "the good ol days". Apparently it is even worse now than ever before.
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08:53 AM on 05/22/2011
of course. This serves the banks and the rich of the world. It would be unthinkable to give the majority a fair shake by debt restructuring. Instead just take more from the poor and working class who can least afford it.

What is happening in greece is not that much different from what is happening in the USA today. I hope to goodness that some REAL leaders from a REAL third party and not a plastic on created by the Koch brothers steps up to the plate in 2012.
09:52 AM on 05/22/2011
Doesn't sound like you have been to Greece where tax evasion is a national pastime greater than international football. Greece is probably better off pulling out the Euro, devaluing its currency (like Argentina did) and going from there.
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02:39 PM on 05/22/2011
do you also think greece should default on her imf loan ? that is what argentina did too
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Jim Milks
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04:59 PM on 05/22/2011
I was thinking the same thing. Greece should return to the drachma, default on its debt, and go on.
08:39 AM on 05/22/2011
There is a really great documentary on the crisis in Greece-- "Debtocracy":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKpxPo-lInk

If Greece follows the course it's on, it will just accumulate more and more debt and be forever under the thumb of the European creditor countries and banks.
08:43 AM on 05/22/2011
Here's additional link for it:

http://www.debtocracy.gr/indexen.html

The Youtube version has English subtitles; for this one you click at the top for subtitle options.
09:22 PM on 05/22/2011
Nah - lemme tell you how it's gonna play out: They'll try and get more a boost from everyone who has alot at stake there (Germany, IMF, etc) and when there's no more money to be had "to save the country", then they'll restructure. Curiously, much of the loaned money will be unaccounted for...