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Minnesota Voters To Decide On Gay Marriage Ban

Minnesota Gay Marriage Ban Vote

PATRICK CONDON   05/22/11 10:30 PM ET   AP

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota has a long and potentially polarizing campaign in store after state lawmakers agreed to allow voters to decide whether to limit civil marriage to heterosexual couples – a prohibition that already exists in state law.

The House voted 70-63 just before midnight Saturday after nearly six hours of emotional debate that raised many of the issues likely to resonate in the coming campaign.

Critics of the amendment said it would divide families and neighbors and harm the dignity of gay people, while its supporters said the definition of marriage is important enough that voters alone – not judges or legislators – should decide how it's addressed in the constitution.

The vote split mostly along party lines, with Republicans in support and Democrats opposed. Four Republicans crossed over to vote `no,' and two Democrats voted `yes.'

The statewide vote itself is nearly a year and a half off, an unusually long lead time for both supporters and opponents to organize, raise money and try to sway Minnesotans. Both sides were already laying plans for respective coalitions for and against the amendment, with supporters calling themselves "Minnesota for Marriage" and opponents gathering under the banner of a group called "Minnesotans United for All Families."

Gay rights activists said they believe public opinion about gay relationships is quickly shifting in their favor and that the next 18 months would give them time to reach a lot of voters with a message that gay relationships don't threaten other families.

"This isn't necessarily a case you can make to people in a sound bite," said Monica Meyer, executive director of the gay rights group OutFront Minnesota. "But if you have the chance to sit down with someone and explain to them that this hurts real families and doesn't help anyone, that's how you win people over."

Jason Adkins is executive director of the Minnesota Catholic Conference, which lobbied for the amendment at the Legislature. He said if opponents of the amendment think they can win over the public then they wouldn't have lobbied the Legislature so hard to reject it.

"If they were so confident of winning the debate in the public square, I'm not sure why they were so afraid to put it on the ballot," Adkins said.

He said the Minnesota for Marriage group would be a joint venture of Catholic and evangelical churches and other religious and secular groups. He said they'd try to mount "the largest and most intensive grassroots political campaign the state has ever seen."

Adkins said their principle argument would be that "children thrive and are nurtured best when they are raised by a mother and a father."

"Marriage under civil law is about attaching children to their parents, not just a relationship based on a consensual agreement between two adults who love each other," he said.

Residents of 30 U.S. states have voted on the definition of marriage; opponents of gay marriage have prevailed in every single one of those votes. But recent polls have shown growing support for gay marriage, particularly among young voters, including a recent Star Tribune Minnesota Poll that found a majority of respondents opposed to the constitutional ban.

Few House Republicans spoke in favor of the ban in the Saturday night debate, a contrast to similar debates in past years. Democratic members showed no similar hesitation, and opposition was no longer limited to members from Minneapolis and St. Paul: Democrats from Bemidji, Brainerd, Hibbing, Duluth, Rochester, Mankato and the Twin Cities suburbs all took turns speaking against the amendment.

A few Republicans joined them. Rep. John Kriesel, a freshman Republican from Cottage Grove and an Iraq war veteran who lost his legs in combat, delivered an impassioned speech against the amendment.

"Happiness is so hard to find for people, so they find someone who makes them happy and we want to take that away?" Kriesel said. "We say you can be together but you can't marry them? That's wrong and I don't agree with it."

Rep. Rod Hamilton, R-Mountain Lake, said he supported giving voters the ultimate say. But he said his teenage daughter recently pointed out to him that she would be 18 by November 2012 – and that she would vote against it.

"She said, `Dad, I think a person should be able to marry whomever they love whether it's the opposite sex or not,'" Hamilton said.

Away from the Capitol, views on the amendment were complicated among voters in several suburbs south of Minneapolis.

Kathryn Cuhlmann, a 20-year-old massage therapist from Burnsville, said her religious upbringing influenced her belief that marriage should be reserved for opposite-sex couples.

"The Bible says marriage is between one man and one woman, I would vote to keep it that way," Cuhlmann said. But she mentioned that finding out her closest friend, who recently died, was a lesbian had made her views evolve a bit.

"I'm not like `You guys can't be happy,'" Cuhlmann said. "I want them to be happy. So it's kind of a hard spot to be in."

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Associated Press writer Tara Bannow contributed to this report.

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Alicia Westberry
college student & blogger
03:49 PM on 06/09/2011
Rep. John Kriesel put it very well. Personal happiness should never be legislated anyway.
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Atwill
Proud Father of a gay son.
08:17 AM on 05/25/2011
why cant we vote on all marraiges? when a couple, gay or straight, want to get the license, they post thier photos and history in the web and then we all vote, yes or no. If the majority likes them, they can get married. If the majority does not like them, they are denied the marraige license.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
01:37 AM on 05/26/2011
Ridiculous. Rights ought not to be voted on and that goes for straights as well as gay.
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Atwill
Proud Father of a gay son.
08:03 AM on 05/26/2011
its a joke. to show homophobes how stupid there point. or non point, is
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04:24 PM on 05/24/2011
Homosexuality is found in over 450 species. Homophobia is only found in one. Which one seems unnatural now?
10:06 PM on 07/08/2011
Actually... Aside from species that reproduce asexually, there is no documented species in which homosexuality has been shown not to exist. Homosexual behavior has been observed in well over 1500 different species, and well documented in over 500.

These include, but are not limited to: swans, gulls, ibises, mallards, penguins, pigeons, vultures, dolphins, humans, bison, numerous ape species, elephants, giraffes, monkeys, lions, sheep, lizards, dragonflies, fruit flies, and bed bugs.
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Booshin
Progressive=Moving Forward.
03:57 PM on 05/24/2011
I think the GOP actually stands for (We think) Gays Our Phreaks

...never said their grammer was that impressive. Maybe if they actually funded schools...
01:27 PM on 05/24/2011
Bravo Minnesota. Homosexual marraige SHOULD be banned. The insistance on redefining marriage is galling, and a ploy to gain normalcy and general acceptance. It not normal, and should not be condoned or accepted.
02:53 PM on 05/24/2011
We don't really care if you either condone or accept our marriages, nor are they "a ploy to gain normalcy and general acceptance." There are tens of thousands of legally married same sex couples living right here, right now in the USA. But no worries, AndyatHP, all those legally married same-sex couples are still being denied access to the myriad of federal benefits and rights that are granted to their opposite-sex counterparts. So the federal government and a great many states still classify us as the second-class citizens you'd like us to be, all while collecting our taxes and denying us equal rights and treatment under the law.
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Dan Jighter
03:28 PM on 05/24/2011
Why shouldn't homosexual marriage be condoned or accepted?
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Kittyburger
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01:00 PM on 05/24/2011
The Minnesota Family Council, like its parent, the recognized hate group American Family Association, promotes discrimination against people based on transsexuality and other recognized intersex conditions that are inherent and innate, NOT behavioral or chosen, which cause someone to identify as a gender other than that which was assigned by a doctor, sometimes surgically, at birth. Additionally, it promotes discrimination against gay, lesbian and bisexual people who seek love and companionship rather than to live a life of lonely, closeted misery. It needs to be recognized that this group is the modern equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan and they must be treated appropriately.
02:54 PM on 05/24/2011
Thank you for saying that! Can't fan you again, but will offer a hearty Fave!
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
02:31 AM on 05/25/2011
Oh, Kittyburger. I wish I could fan you again but will definitely fave. Yes, hate groups like this SHOULD be treated as the purveyors of hate and bigotry that they are. I am sick to death of groups that lie about us being given a free pass.
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Kittyburger
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10:27 AM on 05/24/2011
This is only the beginning for the Minnesota "Family" "Council." They intend to work to roll back GLBT rights entirely - see Uganda for their desired end.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
10:57 AM on 05/24/2011
I wish I could fan again, but will fave. I believe that the haters won't be satisfied until we have NO rights at all. I have no doubt that they would turn this country into another Uganda. We need to make sure that they don't get the chance.
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Bob Wood
A.T.C.G...(sigh)
06:38 PM on 05/24/2011
I make every attempt to be respectful in my posts...but lately I'm becoming very tempted to start utilizing the word...STUPID. Is there a respectful way to call some folks stupid ? (sigh)
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nola70119
09:15 AM on 05/24/2011
Saying if the public would defeat a measure is a good reason to not fight it in the legislature is arrogant bs. If the legislature was to try and reinstate slavery, should no one say anything then? After all, why fight it from formenting in the first place, right?
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Sisa
07:05 AM on 05/24/2011
Gawd I can't stand racist elitist homophobic right to lifers.... a.k.a. The GOP.
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Chrystal Ji Davey
Chem. Dance. Theatre.
12:57 AM on 05/24/2011
The comments are more interesting than the article, just like 90% of the time...
12:32 AM on 05/24/2011
Will someone from the homosexual community please enlighten me? Why is it so important to you to redefine and use the word marriage? Haven't many of the State Governments given you the same rights as married people, i.e. Civil unions? You would think the gay community would aspire to have a better word, since so many hetrosexual marriages end in divorce anyway. Also, how would you propose to keep the population going? Science and adoption?
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
12:59 AM on 05/24/2011
How about YOU learn some inclusiveness. Oh and it is GAY...Good As You. I know you don't do equality well but at least try. No, actually marriage is just fine with us. Why should all the licenses be redone to keep bigots like you feeling comfortable? There is no need--you and your ilk need to start learning to adjust to the 21st Century. People have said over and over it has nothing to do with redefininng marriage. Sorry that you cannot understand that. That is not the fault of GLBT people.

As for your comment about keeping population going, do you REALLY think that is a problem with almost 7 billion people on the planet?! And don't be absurd--simply because GLBT people are given a right to legal marriage, not everyone is going to suddenly turn gay. Or do you think the GLBT orientation is SO wonderful straights will suddenly "turn GLBT"? Grow up. That is NOT how nature works.
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josiahfelicia
Jesus save me from your followers!
01:50 AM on 05/24/2011
Your ignorance knows no bounds.
05:47 AM on 05/24/2011
Yes it does.
11:14 PM on 05/23/2011
Here is the good news: with every anti-gay law conservatives pass, Justice Kennedy gets more and more likely to call gays a suspect class and strike down future anti-gay laws. I've blogged more about that here for anyone who's interested: http://waronignorance.net/05_24_MN.html
11:00 PM on 05/23/2011
The definition of Marriage has been constant for thousands of years. The meaning of the word "gay" has been redefined for homosexuals, to give it a more pleasant ring. The truth is being gay is about performing sex acts with the same gender. This repulses me, but what happens behind closed doors is your business. But when you want to change the meaning of words, just to try and somehow justify or make the homosexual lifestyle mainstream,or "socially holy" is unacceptable. Government has already given homosexuals "civil unions", and all the rights associated. Are we really spending taxpayer dollars and politicians time on this??? Really??? Just get a civil union and tell everyone you're married. Problem solved, now lets move on and get this economy going.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
11:41 PM on 05/23/2011
Go look in a modern dictionary. The meaning of many words has changed over time. Guess what? Heterosexual acts repulse me (and yes, have been in a straight marriage so can compare) but you don't see me trying to restrict YOUR rights. If the idea of same sex marriage repulses you, don't marry someone of the same sex. It is that simple.

Grow up. Oh and don't throw your lifestyle in our faces 24/7. Go turn on a TV and you MIGHT see what I am saying.
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josiahfelicia
Jesus save me from your followers!
11:52 PM on 05/23/2011
By "constant" do you mean one man and one woman? Or one man, one woman and her handmaiden (Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar)? Or one man, one woman, her sister, and both of their servants (Jacob, Rachel, Leah, and others)? Or do you mean one man, 700 women and 300 concubines (Solomon and his harem)?

Or more recently, do you propose that a woman and all of her possessions become her husband's property? Maybe you mean one man and one woman, as long as they are the same color (U.S. prior to Loving v. Virginia)?

Pray tell which "traditional" marriage do you propose?
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Aaron Pozdol
Utopianism is the greatest sin there is.
03:31 PM on 05/25/2011
You beat me to this.
09:53 PM on 05/25/2011
Interracial marriage was legal in Virginia before Loving. An African American man could marry an Asian woman.
10:47 PM on 05/23/2011
I know this is posted often, but it bears repeating.

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections." - West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette

Learn about your Constitution before you try to change it.
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04:15 PM on 05/24/2011
thank you, preach it loud!!!
09:39 PM on 05/23/2011
I believe 10 years from now this Country is going to be sooooo different. I know this sounds corny but- I see so many wonderful things in the younger generation that just blows my mind. Things like -how they think and see the world. Their world has always been the WHOLE WORLD - compared to my myopic view of the 70's and 80's. It's that world wide web thing'r they got on their internets.