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Utah Legalizes Gold, Silver Coins As Currency

By JOSH LOFTIN   05/22/11 10:06 PM ET   AP

SALT LAKE CITY -- Utah legislators want to see the dollar regain its former glory, back to the days when one could literally bank on it being "as good as gold."

To make that point, they've turned it around, and made gold as good as cash. Utah became the first state in the country this month to legalize gold and silver coins as currency. The law also will exempt the sale of the coins from state capital gains taxes.

Craig Franco hopes to cash in on it with his Utah Gold and Silver Depository, and he thinks others will soon follow.

The idea is simple: Store your gold and silver coins in a vault, and Franco issues a debit-like card to make purchases backed by your holdings.

He plans to open for business June 1, likely the first of its kind in the country.

"Because we're dealing with something so forward thinking, I expect a wait-and-see attitude," Franco said. "Once the depository is executed and transactions can occur, then I think people will move into the marketplace."

The idea was spawned by Republican state Rep. Brad Galvez, who sponsored the bill largely to serve as a protest against Federal Reserve monetary policy. Galvez says Americans are losing faith in the dollar. If you're mad about government debt, ditch the cash. Spend your gold and silver, he says.

His idea isn't to return to the gold standard, when the dollar was backed by gold instead of government goodwill. Instead, he just wanted to create options for consumers.

"We're too far down the road to go back to the gold standard," Galvez said. "This will move us toward an alternative currency."

Earlier this month, Minnesota took a step closer to joining Utah in making gold and silver legal tender. A Republican lawmaker there introduced a bill that sets up a special committee to explore the option. North Carolina, Idaho and at least nine other states also have similar bills drafted.

At the moment, Franco's idea would generally be the only practical use of the law in Utah, given the legislation doesn't require merchants to accept the coins, either at face value – $50 for a 1-ounce gold coin – or market value, currently almost $1,500 per ounce. And no one expects people will be walking around town with pockets full of gold and silver.

Matt Zeman, market strategist for Kingsview Financial in Chicago, expects more people will start investing in gold as America's growing debt and bankruptcies in other countries continue to decrease the value of government-backed money.

"You've seen gold replacing these currencies as safety instruments," Zeman said. "If I don't feel good about the dollar or other currencies, I'm putting my money in precious metals."

Some supporters, including the law's sponsor, seek to push Congress toward removing the tax burdens that discourage use of the coins, such as a federal capital gains tax.

"Making gold and silver coins legal tender sends a strong signal to Congress and the Federal Reserve that their monetary policy is failing," said Ralph Danker, project director for economics at the Washington, D.C.-based American Principles in Action, which helped shape Utah's law. "The dollar should be backed by gold and silver, so we have hard money."

The U.S. and many other countries largely abandoned gold-backed money during World War I because they needed to print more cash to pay for the war. Later, during the Great Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt took steps that essentially prohibited gold and silver as legal currency to prevent hoarding.

In 1971, President Nixon formally abandoned the gold standard.

Fifteen years later, the U.S. Mint began producing the gold and silver American Eagle coins, primarily aimed at investment portfolios and allowing people to trade them at market value but with capital gains taxes on profits.

Utah is now allowing the coins to be used as legal tender while levying no taxes.

Opponents of the law warn such a policy shift nationwide could increase the prospect of inflation and could destabilize international markets by removing the government's flexibility to quickly adjust currency prices.

"We'd be going backward in financial development," said Carlos Sanchez, director of Commodities Management for The CPM Group in New York. "What backs currency is confidence in a government's ability to pay debt, its government system and its economy."

Larry Hilton, a Utah attorney who helped draft the law, disagrees and says the gold standard would restore faith in American money at a time when spiraling debt is weakening confidence.

"We view this as a dollar-friendly measure," Hilton said. "It will strengthen the dollar by refocusing policy matters in Washington on what led to the phrase, `the dollar is as good as gold.'"

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03:19 PM on 06/02/2011
Yosemite Sam is pretty pumped about this.
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Sheldon archer
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06:36 AM on 05/30/2011
For your information, As currency, the gold and silver coins, which are usually purchased by individuals as investments, are still only worth their face value in the eyes of the state.
So even if the actual precious metal in your $50 coin has a market value of $1,400, it still only has $50 dollars worth of purchasing power.
Please come and spend your gold coins with me.
03:39 PM on 05/25/2011
This is excellent news! Sound money returns... to one state at least. Check out http://www.guidetosilver.com/value-of-silver.html for more about the value of silver, a brief history of silver as currency, and some relevant videos.
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onionboy
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03:46 PM on 05/24/2011
Some of the posters on here are almost comical. They seem to think gold has magical powers beyond other minerals.

They tout the increase in value of gold over the last century without comparing it to other minerals. Hint...there are other minerals that have increased in value percentage-wise as much as gold during the 20th century. Should they be the new standard instead?

They ignore that gold actually has uses beyond sitting in vaults to back up currency. It's a quite versatile mineral.

They seem to believe that the value of gold cannot be manipulated beyond simple demand. That seems to be the argument against paper, which is manipulated by simple printing of currency. Mined elements are easily financially manipulated. That's the DeBeers business model. They secret away their product, buy mines that they never pull anything from, etc. The first requirement for a sucker is to find someone who believes their methods are fool-proof.

Money, in any form, is simply a symbol for what it can purchase. It is nothing more. Be it made of gold or paper or tin or earwax. This law is all about capital gains and companies wanting to sell more gold (usually at way over market price), and so they lobbied. That's it.
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06:34 PM on 05/24/2011
They also say the rarity of the element drives its value. By that argument Lawrencium, Nobelium and Mendelevium should be worth a fortune (more than their weight in gold, though their half lives might be a problem). Any measuring tool of financial worth is relatively arbitrary, there is no intrinsic value. In that vein, why is a Monet worth anything more than a paint by numbers picture, they're both canvass and paint? It's all perception.
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onionboy
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08:52 PM on 05/24/2011
Excellent points.

Common sense seems to be the rarest commodity of all nowadays.
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thereisonlyoneparty
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12:09 AM on 05/26/2011
People have no idea how money works.

They believe that there is an inherent value to money or gold or anything.  There is not.  The value of gold is real in its material properties and due to actual or perceived rarity.  In a way gold does have actual value in that it can be used in circuitry and electronics, but that does not mean that is better suited to be money.

I can already foresee how this will play out:

People will start paying for things with gold.  At some point an enterprising person will say, "hey, instead of having to carry around this heavy heavy gold, why could we not use symbols that represent units of gold instead?"  A representative currency will be born.  After more time another enterprising individual will wonder why the commodity is required at all.  The middle step will be replaced with law and hello fiat money (again).
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onionboy
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12:32 AM on 05/26/2011
Excellent post!

Hey, let's make Action Comics #1 the basis of for a monetary system. Between 1938 and today it's gone from $0.10 to $1.5M.
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Pandoras Folly
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10:34 AM on 05/24/2011
many experts estimate the total amount of ALL gold ever mined in human history if assembled into one block to be about 1/3 to 1/2 the size of the washington monument, i have also heard two to two and a half olympic swimming pool as another approximate size.
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12:49 PM on 05/24/2011
Total gold mind in history is about 165,000 metric tons (the vast majority of which is still in use). Gold is 19,300 kilograms per cubic meter. This would come out to about 8500 cubic meters.
 
A typical olympic swimming pool is 2500 cubic meters so yes, that would be pretty close. Put another way, if you took all that gold and put it on one NFL football field (including endzones) it would come to just over 5 feet deep.
10:15 PM on 06/26/2011
Can't finance much war with that much gold I'll bet...
09:40 AM on 05/24/2011
Other great legislation on the Utah lawmaker's short list:
1. The ability to purchase slaves. (non-white of course)
2. Exemption from prosecution for shooting or hanging native Americans squatting on private property.
3. Making Mormonism mandatory and requiring everyone to attend Tabernacle at least once a week.
4. Re-legalize Polygamy (They are doing it anyway).
5. Abolish all taxes but making a 10 percent tithe to the LDS mandatory for all transactions.
6. Legalize marriage between any combination of family members.
7. Mandatory exportation and expatriation of unmarried males until the ratio of females to males in the state is 10 to 1.
8. Establish a state militia with war powers and localize control of weapons of mass destruction.
9. Establish a state customs and immigration authority and control all entry and exit from the state.
10. Secede from the United States of America and become an independent country and apply for U.S. foreign aid.
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pene
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09:17 AM on 05/24/2011
isn't it unconstitutional for states to makes their own currency?

in any case, i won't be giving walmart, target, or even Joe's Diner any gold to pay my bill and i really don't think they will be giving me gold or silver as change.

Also, with mormon's in the running for prez, you'd think the church-run state of Utah would be keeping their head down until after Nov 2012.

so, this looks like a "not very smart" move on the part of Utah.
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deepintheheartoftejas
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10:31 AM on 05/24/2011
People have misunderstood the Utah law. It does not mint any coins, and only declared federally-minted US eagles "legal tender". It was done for tax purposes. Utah has a state capital gains tax, and gains from gold and silver are taxable. Utah had previously removed legal tender from the capital gains, following a number of states after lobbying by coin collectors. As a collector, that's appreciated! Paying taxes makes it difficult to upgrade your collection, when your goal is to just buy better coins. US tax law recognizes a "trade-up" exception for coins, but many states don't.

Anyway, in Utah, US bullion coins remained on the taxable list. Utah moved them into the officially "legal tender" status, so they will no longer be taxed. Note that non-legal tender gold will still be taxed, so now makes US gold eagles far preferable to, say, Krugerrands.

Most news stories have been misreporting this news. No one expects people to start spending gold eagles, since their face value is currently 1/30th of their metal content value.
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pene
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11:02 AM on 05/24/2011
ok. thanks for the clear explanation.
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LeFlaneur
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08:54 AM on 05/24/2011
Gold's value as a currency has far surpassed it's true value as a workable metal and as such, is now largely symbolic. Paper money is obviously symbolic. And now we've even done away with the symbolism that and we just have numerical values stored in computers.

Wealth is all make believe -- and has been since gold took over from cattle and pigs. It is simply an agreement we've all made amongst ourselves. Pretty scary to think about that.
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thereisonlyoneparty
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12:14 AM on 05/26/2011
In the end money is just a representation of labor.  Instead of trading labor for goods or services, we trade it for the ability to get those goods and services from others.

It works for now.  There is not really any better way to do it.  How else could one operate in a global economy?
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LeFlaneur
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08:57 AM on 05/26/2011
I guess the problem lies in the fact that it represents labor so unequally.
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07:24 AM on 05/24/2011
No sales tax for small exchanges at least I agree on. When you get taxed for "buying" US siver coins something is wrong.
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01:54 AM on 05/24/2011
As long as the US Dollar is printed on 2 ply , the world will always find a use for it. Try wiping your a** with a gold coin. Or papering your bathroom with gold bars. US dollars work much better. For the big jobs, use US treasuries
05:12 AM on 05/24/2011
Ej,

I hope you realize, that there is a scheme to devalue the dollar, in the event that does happen Gold will be the only currency that will safve your A**. Why do you think you have all these shops that are up and running telling you that they will buy your gold!!!! these shops are owned by banks,ofcourse they will pay high dollar for it, cause in due time they will need it to recover there loss.
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06:46 PM on 05/24/2011
I was being sarcastic
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trvcampbe
War is misery for the poor and profit for the rich
01:19 AM on 05/24/2011
I suspect this is a Scam to finish the fleecing...
11:53 AM on 05/24/2011
Spot on. But the harsh reality for some, and the pleasant reality for others to come will be "any currency" could be established. There is a very good side to this - it's testing the market for ANY new currency.
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trvcampbe
War is misery for the poor and profit for the rich
01:15 AM on 05/24/2011
If you want a strong dollar,Get rid of the Manipulating Federal reserve..RP 2012..He has been saying it for years..
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Micheal Anderson
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03:03 AM on 05/24/2011
So we can be at the mercy of the World Bank and IMF?

No thanks.
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Symphysodon
01:01 AM on 05/24/2011
If you're really worried about the future, buy SEEDS, not gold!
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darth leroy
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09:39 AM on 05/24/2011
sssshhhh!!!
10:46 AM on 05/24/2011
If holding metal, better to hold silver for use as an anti-microbial.

And invest in sharpening stones to keep your edge tools sharp, for farming, construction and weapons when ammo for firearms gets harder to come by.
12:43 AM on 05/24/2011
Back in the middle 70's my wife and I started saving every silver coin we ran across. There were many times that it was really hard to save it as our money was very tight but we continued. Around 1981 the price of silver went up to 22 times over face value ($2.20 for a silver dime). We unrolled all of the silver and sorted it according to weather the date was readable or not. Then rolled them back and marked the rolls either dated or no dates. We sold several of the no date rolls at that time. The reason for the sorting was that a coin without a date will never be a collectors coin, while those with dates will always be collectable. Just before Christmas last year we took in $50.00 in silver undated coins and came home with $900.00. This is just looking at what was going on in the 70's and thinking ahead at what was going to happen to the silver coins. Our main thought at the time would be the increased value of the collectable coins and not really the value of the silver. It turns out we made a right move at the right time. And we still have the dated coins as collectables.
10:12 PM on 06/26/2011
Which is why FDR decided to make it illegal, at the time, to own gold - hoarding!

This sounds good of course, but I wonder how that would compare to a real estate or long term FDIC deposits. Anyone know?
12:21 AM on 05/24/2011
I certainly wouldn't want to carry anything of real value. That's why we have paper money.
10:12 PM on 06/26/2011
And plastic money.