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Rand Paul And Guns Stall Extension Of The Patriot Act

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First Posted: 05/25/11 06:44 PM ET Updated: 07/25/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) pledged during his run for office to be a veritable stick in the mud on issues of philosophical concern even if it meant agitating his fellow Congressional Republicans. Now, as the Senate rushes against the clock to pass an extension of the USA Patriot Act, he's living up to his word.

The Kentucky Republican has objected to an attempt by Senate leadership to consider the national security measure on an expedited basis. His objections are not necessarily driven by ideological opposition to the bill, though he remains an outspoken critic. Instead Paul has dug in his heels because Senate Democrats have refused to consider several amendments that he wants offered, chief among them language that would restrict national security officials from examining gun dealer records in an effort to track potential terrorists.

Paul's objections mean the Patriot Act will likely expire Thursday night before both the House and Senate can vote on an extension -- now likely to come sometime Friday morning. Whether the law's expiration will disrupt counter-terrorism efforts as drastically as some government officials claim is an open question. But the basis of Paul's objections and the reaction to them does provide a window into how difficult it has become to manage personalities and get legislation passed in an undramatic fashion in both chambers.

On Tuesday, Senate Democratic leadership seemed willing to at least try to acquiesce to Paul's demands. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was trying to craft a deal with Republicans to consider six PATRIOT Act amendments -- three of them from Paul -- on a unanimous consent agreement. Doing so wouldn't guarantee the passage of those amendments. They would all still face a 60-vote threshold. But it may have persuaded those affected lawmakers to allow the larger bill to be considered without insisting on the two 30-hour windows that come with cloture votes: one to start debate on the bill the other to stop it.

Alas, it didn't work. Late Tuesday night, Democratic leadership announced that they couldn't reach an agreement. Reid, taking to the floor on Wednesday, said "unfortunately, in order to continue his political grandstanding, [Paul] rejected that offer."

A Democratic Senate aide, however, told The Huffington Post that at least one other member said that they would object to the unanimous consent proposal, deeming it too risky to even allow Paul's gun records proposal to come to a vote.

Gun safety groups had been frantically trying to draw attention to the amendment -- which had gone largely under the radar -- arguing that it would it would curtail the Department of Justice's already limited authority to inspect the records of firearms licensees.

Paul's office did not return a request for comment, but the Senator told the Washington Post that, "They ramrodded me. ... We're going to get no debate and no amendments."

Paul isn't the only one aggrieved over the procedural underpinnings of the Patriot Act vote. Democratic Sens. Mark Udall (Colo.) and Ron Wyden (Ore.) have also tied their opposition to extension to Senate leadership's decision to block any amendments from being considered.

"Reid filled the tree," said a Republican Senate aide, "despite his promise of an open amendment process."

In the end, their objections won't likely submarine the vote -- just delay it. But it is still a vivid example of the frantic nature of Congress in which pet issues can threaten major bills and individual Senators can stall legislation up to -- and even past -- its drop-dead deadline.

The Senate is now expected to vote on ending debate on the Patriot Act extension at 1 a.m. Thursday morning. Final passage will likely come on Friday morning -- as early as 7 a.m. -- after which the House of Representatives will cast a vote on the bill.

"The hope is that by tomorrow, when we are staring down the prospect of the Patriot Act expiring ... that [Paul] will relent and not let it expire," said the Senate Democratic aide.

UPDATE: The AP is reporting that a deal of sorts may have been reached between Reid and Paul that would allow for votes on some amendments in exchange for quicker consideration of the Patriot Act's extension.

An agreement to hold a test vote early Thursday was the first progress all week toward resolving an impasse between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and tea party favorite Rand Paul, R-Ky., before three provisions of the act expire at midnight Thursday. Just before he closed the Senate on Wednesday night, Reid said there likely would be votes on amendments to the extension.

That could go a long way toward meeting Paul's demand that Reid make good on a promise earlier this year to hold a full debate on proposed changes to the post-9/11 law, which empowers the government to find terrorists on American soil...

It's not entirely clear whether the gun records amendment will get a vote, though the AP report suggests it will not.

UPDATE II: The Hill reports that the first cloture vote will now take place Thursday at 10 a.m. -- another sign that a potential procedural deal has been reached.

Reid said that while the vote is being held at 10 a.m., hours will begin accruing at 1 a.m. toward the 30-hour percolating period required for passage by Senate rules.

"In short we don't have to have a vote at 1 a.m.," Reid said. "Everyone has been most cooperative to get us past that. Hopefully we will be able to make everyone happy."

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WASHINGTON -- Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) pledged during his run for office to be a veritable stick in the mud on issues of philosophical concern even if it meant agitating his fellow Congressional Repu...
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Sugarmaker
Act like what you do makes a difference, it does
09:20 PM on 05/30/2011
Oldest sales trick in the book: Give something a name which will cover up its shortcomings. "Patriot Act"? Why, how could something with that name be anything but patriotic?
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mackbolan
Libertas inaestimabilis res est
05:30 AM on 05/28/2011
remind me again of why you guys wanted reid back in the senate...
10:53 PM on 05/26/2011
Americans had better start paying attention to the overreaching of the Frederal Gvoernment into our private lives. The Patriot Act was nothing more than an excuse to take more of our freedoms away. In this Act, they have labeled every citizen "enemy combatants". What kind of "government" do we have that considers all of us enemies? I would say it is one that has intentions to become a dictatorship. We need to start demanding the government stick to the limits that are imposed by the Constitution - the real one that was written 200 years ago, not the one they twisted to their liking in 1871. If the government is not listening to the people, it is our duty to create a new one. Declaration of Independence 1776. Our founding fathers risked their lives to give us freedom, let's not give them up now because 545(Congress) people vote to do whatever they want. The true terrorists are the banksters that are running the show because they are paying everyone off to shut up. Everyone knows something is seriously wrong with our government. So instead of dividing ourselves by parties, let's come together as Americans and stand up to the corruption and threat of loss of our liberties, before it's too late.
OverseasVet
stuck in a 3rd world country called texas
02:53 AM on 05/30/2011
I find nothing wrong with our nation and the war declared upon it by the extreme right is simply the result of them trying to impliment their social agenda. The only tyrrany I fear is that coming from a vocal minority who use patriotic slogans and fear to distort the founding fathers government and damage The United States of America.
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cobry4949
cobry1112
10:24 PM on 05/26/2011
More treason was done to America today, the so called two parties that are one party of anti -American agenda. Patriot act act is a violation of the constitution and so are these polticians who betray America
07:56 PM on 05/26/2011
Only in 1984 America can standing on principle be considered 'political grandstanding.'

Harry Reid is a criminal. The people of this country should physically drag him out of our Capitol, and someone else should replace him. Period.
06:01 PM on 05/26/2011
And so Reid reveals himself as a national security state tool. What else is new. Once a countries' Constitution is abandoned, any official action aside from returning to that founding document is just more corruption.

Interesting how huff post characterizes Senator Paul as an obstructionist instead of a patriot. I suppose that national security state tool label is appropriate for this blog as well.
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grimace71
Dichotomies suck.
06:18 PM on 05/26/2011
EffandEff.
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greeneyes51654m
Retired, finally...
05:10 PM on 05/27/2011
Fanned!
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graceaustin
02:50 PM on 05/26/2011
The so called patriot act is obscene. The whole damned thing needs to be tossed, not just a part of it.
12:24 PM on 05/26/2011
In December 2005, Senate Democrats struggled to keep a vote from occurring which would extend provisions in the Patriot Act, thereby allowing the bill to expire. For a time, they were successful, and Reid bragged to a crowd at a political rally, "we killed the PatriotAct." Of course, the "victory" was only temporary, and the PatriotAct was soon extended before the bill could actually expire.

During the consideration of the PatriotAct in 2005, Then-President Bush issued the following statement: “These senators need to understand that the PatriotAct expires in 15 days, but the terrorist threat to America will not expire on that schedule, the terrorists want to attack America again and kill the innocent and inflict even greater damage than they did on September 11th — and the Congress has a responsibility not to take away this vital tool to protect the American people.”

It's funny how things change. Senator Reid of 2011 seems to be a complete and utter contradiction of his former self in 2005. Today, under threat of opposition from SenatorRand Paul, Reid said that if the vote does not occur and the bill expires, "we will give terrorists the opportunity to plot against our country undetected." What a familiar platitude.
- Kevin Brett (C4L)

Here's Reid in 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBP91gvs8wI
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JoeBlough
The Horror. . .The Horror. . .
11:29 AM on 05/26/2011
He's being a thug. Let it expire! Boy, that'll teach him!
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HearMeNow1959
GOP-- The Mothers of Prevention
10:41 AM on 05/26/2011
Track Terrorists, Not Zygotes!
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Ed Schoberl
10:38 AM on 05/26/2011
BOYCOTT KENTUCKY !!!!
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James2039
Ahhh, so here's where you update this thingy...
11:03 AM on 05/26/2011
What are you nuts? This is the guy leading the charge against the Patriot Act! What are you smoking?
08:38 AM on 05/29/2011
Kentucky wouldn't want you anyway.
10:37 AM on 05/26/2011
I typically find myself in opposition to the Tea Party on about 95% of the issues, but in this case I'm actually siding with Paul. Not necessarily because of the gun issue, but because the Patriot Act is a terrible law that never should have been enacted (at least not how it was written), and the tarnishing of people who opposed it as "unpatriotic" was and is nauseating.

I hope Paul is successful in his efforts to prevent the expeditious reauthorization of the Patriot Act. Let's have the debate now that we should have had ten years ago.
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josie klapper
Who can I piss-off today?
10:40 AM on 05/26/2011
More like let's hope this idiotic abridgement of our Constitution gets totally expunged from law. Unfortunately that is NOT what Dr Paul II is trying to do. I REALLY like his father MUCH better.
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James2039
Ahhh, so here's where you update this thingy...
11:19 AM on 05/26/2011
Erm, have you listened to his speech on the topic? Only certain parts are up for renewal right now, and that's what he's striking down. Please listen to the speeches by Reid and Paul on this.

Greenwald wrote a really good article on what's happening:

http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2011/05/23/bipartisanship/permalink/26d78c6a1d19ee21f16e228c54894d1e.html
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spoonbill1963
10:25 AM on 05/26/2011
God Bless the Second Amendment.
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josie klapper
Who can I piss-off today?
10:30 AM on 05/26/2011
AMEN! The Second Amendment is what the entire Constitution rests on
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Ed Schoberl
10:39 AM on 05/26/2011
nope. iT'S nOT !!!
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JoeBlough
The Horror. . .The Horror. . .
11:30 AM on 05/26/2011
the other amendments are just target practice for the 2nd amendment?
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rinpochet
Do unto others ...
10:25 AM on 05/26/2011
Wow! Looks like for a brief period they will not be able to tap my phone without a warrant.
12:13 PM on 05/26/2011
According to a Congressman yesterday that's apart of security, they're already a secret Patriot Act already in place.
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jackstraw 67
no birth control, no abortion no welfare the repub
10:25 AM on 05/26/2011
Why would a tea party guy want the patriot act anyway it cuts into our freedoms and infringes on our rights I would think the tea party would be against any thing that takes away freedom or is it just things that the we spend money on I am confussed.
10:56 AM on 05/26/2011
the tea party is only against infringements on their freedom. my/your freedom is up for grabs. and how, when and where we are free is somehow up to them...

no freedom to decided about your own health care
no freedom to control your body or what you put in, or take out of it
no freedom of religion
no freedom to marry who you want
no freedom to oppose their taking away of your freedom

why does the tea party hate free americans?
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
11:52 AM on 05/26/2011
"why does the tea party hate free americans? "

If the Tea Party was actually about those issues (rather than your silly projections), then you might have a point.
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James2039
Ahhh, so here's where you update this thingy...
11:33 AM on 05/26/2011
This might explain it better:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/23/bipartisanship/index.html

Rand is trying to STOP the Patriot Act.