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North Carolina Unemployment Standoff Drags Endlessly


First Posted: 05/26/11 01:56 PM ET Updated: 07/26/11 06:12 AM ET

North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue (D) does not like the latest attempt by Republicans in the General Assembly to link unemployment benefits and budget cuts, which is bad news for the tens of thousands of jobless North Carolinians who want their benefits back.

In April, Perdue vetoed a bill attaching a reauthorization of federal unemployment benefits to big budget cuts that Perdue said would have resulted in mass layoffs. As a result, the federal Extended Benefits program expired in North Carolina, initially stranding some 37,000 people laid off through no fault of their own.

Since then, the impasse has stopped checks for between 43,000 and 46,000 people, according to the North Carolina Employment Security Commission.

This week, Republicans in the General Assembly introduced new legislation that tied the benefits to less severe cuts. Jordan Shaw, a spokesman for Republican House Speaker Thom Tillis, said the cuts would only take effect if the assembly fails to pass a full budget by the end of June. Without the Republican measure, Shaw said, the state government will shut down.

"It doesn't make a lot of sense to extend unemployment benefits if at the end of the month we're going to have 200,000 more people on the unemployment rolls," Shaw said, adding that the new measure would impose budget cuts for three months instead of for the rest of the year.

"We've come down from off of our mountain," he said.

Perdue is not impressed by their descent. She still wants a bill that restores the benefits with no strings attached.

"For weeks, 42,000 unemployed North Carolinians have waited for the legislature to show leadership by passing legislation that will restore their federal unemployment benefits," Perdue said in a statement Wednesday night. "If this bill were to become law in its current form, thousands of teachers, teaching assistants and students would be held hostage by the legislature's political games. On behalf of the 42,000 unemployed North Carolinians who have been denied benefits, I call on the General Assembly to act and pass a bill that solely addresses these federally funded unemployment benefits."

North Carolina House Minority Leader Joe Hackney (D) told HuffPost a compromise is not in the offing. "They are poles apart and a veto is expected," Hackney said in an email.

Charlotte resident John Allison, 37, told HuffPost he thought it might be time for Perdue to consider compromising. Allison said he'd been collecting unemployment since he lost his job as a landscaping consultant in 2009 until the checks stopped in April. He's not sure how he'll make his next rent payment.

"I'm starting to run out of money and starting to get a little worried about it," he said. "I have maybe a couple of hundred dollars left and I have bills to pay."

The federal aid expired because North Carolina failed to modify the arcane trigger that determines whether a state is eligible for the program, which gives up to 20 weeks of checks to jobless workers who exhaust up to 79 weeks of combined state and federal benefits. A state is eligible for those last 20 weeks so long as its unemployment rate is above 8 percent and also 110 percent of the rate within either of the two previous years. In December, realizing that many states would start to miss the latter requirement despite persistent joblessness, Congress invited states to make their triggers more liberal.

No state has had more trouble with conforming to the new federal law than North Carolina. Twenty-five states have taken Congress up on its offer, most of them without controversy. Michigan, Missouri and Florida lawmakers modified their states' triggers with compromises that reduced state benefits. In Tennessee, after letting the program lapse in April -- apparently by accident -- lawmakers returned to the issue and passed a law restoring the benefits this month.

The benefits pump millions into state economies yet don't burden state budgets, except in the case of the 2 percent of claims from people laid off by local and tribal governments.

HuffPost readers: Affected by the benefits lapse in North Carolina or anywhere else? Tell us about it -- email arthur@huffingtonpost.com. Please include your phone number if you're willing to do an interview.

Story updated to include comments from John Allison.

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North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue (D) does not like the latest attempt by Republicans in the General Assembly to link unemployment benefits and budget cuts, which is bad news for the tens of thousands of...
North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue (D) does not like the latest attempt by Republicans in the General Assembly to link unemployment benefits and budget cuts, which is bad news for the tens of thousands of...
North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue (D) does not like the latest attempt by Republicans in the General Assembly to link unemployment benefits and budget cuts, which is bad news for the tens of thousands of...
North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue (D) does not like the latest attempt by Republicans in the General Assembly to link unemployment benefits and budget cuts, which is bad news for the tens of thousands of...
 
 
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99er2049er
Democrats create jobs and build strong economies
06:28 PM on 05/30/2011
Typical republican leadership. Do not help the unemployed, seniors, poor, women with health needs, or victims of natural disasters, but instead keep giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy. That will really earn you votes in 2012 republicans.
11:10 AM on 05/29/2011
Where are the jobs?

Answer: right here however the pay scale is too low. It used to be $20/hr so now it's $12.00/hr

Why CEOs sending jobs overseas?

Answer: so they can profit more $$ within their pockets.
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99er2049er
Democrats create jobs and build strong economies
06:30 PM on 05/30/2011
True. I am seeing the jobs offering much less now and this is after I earned my degree. Employers realize they have the upper hand, so instead of hiring, they are making less people handle more work, while paying new people less money. Republicans will tell everyone to get any job, including minimum wage, yet tell them to try to raise a family making poverty level wages. Meanwhile as the poster stated, CEO's are making record profits. Won't please somebody think about the poor CEO's, millionaires, and billionaires?
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dayzee10
Are you a master builder or a master butcher?
08:52 AM on 05/29/2011
Politics is politics... a game. But there are times when people need help immediately that games should be put away. Come on retealibanbaggericans put away your chinese checkers and let these benefits occur. Oh that's right your message to the unemployed is BOOTSTRAPS! BOOTSTRAPS!! and your motto is "I got mine, screw you!"
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99er2049er
Democrats create jobs and build strong economies
06:32 PM on 05/30/2011
It's the hypocrisy of republicans that pisses me off. They won't lift a hand to help their own citizens in need, such as victims from the recession or a natural disaster. In fact, republicans pass legislation to strip away even more benefits from those in need. But they have no problem with giving billions of tax cut extensions to the rich and now want to give another trillion to the rich who don't even need the money. Yet take away Medicare, social security, and unemployment benefits from the poor and seniors.

This will cost you heavy in 2012 republicans.
bethel1974
My shield=knowledge
05:43 PM on 05/28/2011
The republicans keep attaching large spending cuts to the unemployment extension bill, which causes Bev Perdue to veto it each time. The problem with NC is that out of the 100 counties that it has, over 60 are in one part of the state. The Eastern part of NC has held NC hostage for years. From tobacco and farming the representatives have always tilted gov't spending to the east. When the majority of the population is in the west (Greensboro, Charlotte, Asheville). The Eastern part of NC has never paid its fair share in anything (check out the boondoggle Global Transpark, Kinston NC).
11:43 AM on 05/27/2011
The government with the corporations and banks were allowed the business plan they wanted.
Lay off and demonize people while providing low paying jobs without benefits.
Make people feel guilty about taking "money they earned" calling it entitlements.
Meanwhile business and banks recieve huge entitlements from the taxpayers.
The only reason banks and corporations are ticked off is because people are not buying their 3rd world garbage.
It appears there are no more giveaways left and the middle class and poor will not go on credit to support the affluent.
Boo-hoo.
01:37 PM on 05/27/2011
Businesses were not 'allowed' anything - the gov't doesn't have the right to control everything.
People didn't 'earn' unemployment -it's paid for by employers.
Banks did not get huge entitlements - you just swallow anything you are told.
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Trepasky
Sanity is neither free nor easy
09:11 AM on 05/28/2011
Unemployment insurance payments are part of an employee's compensation package which includes things like vacation time, sick time, SUTA, FUTA, FICA withholding and wages.

All employers factor in all the costs involved in hiring an employee not just the wages.

If you think employers are paying the SUTA and FUTA out of generosity, you need to study business economics.
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silverstreet
All you need is love
04:24 PM on 05/29/2011
I would say multi-million dollar bonuses -- paid for with taxpayer dollars -- is quite an entitlement. Also QE1 and QE2 definitely were bankers entitlements. Could you borrow money at 0% -- lend it to the government at 3%? (That 3% interest is YOUR tax dollar.)
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
09:09 AM on 05/27/2011
This is bad news for the GOP as this state is going blue again in 2012.
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99er2049er
Democrats create jobs and build strong economies
06:33 PM on 05/30/2011
We are going to vote out so many GOP house members in 2012. Watch the balance go back to the democrats again. Oh and Obama, that will be another win.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
07:37 PM on 05/30/2011
24 is the magic number...we will bury the GOP in 2012.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
07:38 PM on 05/30/2011
Fanned and faved
01:16 AM on 05/27/2011
I wish they would work on fixing the issue of unemployment instead of focusing on whether or not to pay benefits to the unemployed. If they could find solutions to actually get people back to work, they wouldn't have to worry so much about how much of the budget is going towards unemployment benefits. But that would be too obvious, right?
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SoCalNick
Former 99er, Business Owner, Proud Veteran 101st
01:50 AM on 05/27/2011
Exactly

The GNOP Promised a JOBS Bill.. LASER focus on JOBS!

Almost 6 months later

All we have is NUTTIN'

I guess they meant NEXT time.

That is all
01:39 PM on 05/27/2011
Actually the DOL has shown gains in job creation every month for months - since the R's retook the House. It was reported right here on HuffPo even.
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
11:32 AM on 05/29/2011
The promises always look better when they are made on camera in the media before a election, don't hold your breath when it comes to new jobs from the Republicans they have no clue how to jump start a economy so badly battered from eight years of fiscal conservatism and big government........
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
09:10 AM on 05/27/2011
Spoken by one who is employed and cares nothing for his fellow man...in North Carolina where the furniture industry was shipped to China even though is was no union so much for unions causing job losses...there is not much left to create jobs with...and unemployment is somehtig people pay for and should get...I hope every smug GOP is voted out.
01:41 PM on 05/27/2011
Caring for your fellow man is one thing - years of handouts is another.

They didn't pay for it - why are liberals so uneducated about their own paychecks?

MPLOYERS pay into it

EMPLOYEE TAXES—Only Alaska, New Jersey, and Pennsylvan­ia levy UI taxes on workers

http://wor­kforcesecu­rity.dolet­a.gov/unem­ploy/pdf/u­ilawcompar­/2010/fina­ncing.pdf
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HearMeNow1959
GOP-- The Mothers of Prevention
12:18 AM on 05/27/2011
When will these poor folks realize that Republicans couldn't care less about them, their families, their children or their grandchildren?
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99er2049er
Democrats create jobs and build strong economies
06:38 PM on 05/30/2011
Current working republicans, remember this, you will be next in the unemployment lines, no matter how great you think you are at your job or how valuable you think your position is. You are only one CEO's budget line item cut away from a job loss or a merger or sale of your company which will easily wipe your job.

I know because it has happened several times to me and so many people I worked with. You have very little control of your job and if you lose your job it will take a hell of a lot longer than you think to find another job. Also the first thing every company asks is are you working. If you say no, many won't even talk to you after that.
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MIVOTE
Adds wisdom to knowledge
10:50 PM on 05/26/2011
Republicans are h8ful aren't they?! (that's rhetorical) Of course they are!
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
09:55 AM on 05/29/2011
I don't think they are, individually at least. They are just like we are, trying to make sense of this big universe. For whatever reason, they have adopted a different way of thinking than we have. Self-help, reduced functioning of government, and so on. It isn't really hateful, it just seems that way to those of us who see a different role for government. And what really disappoints me is the polarization of discourse in our country. We don't even try to talk to each other any more. How can we arrive at any decisions when the nation is so fractured? That would require mutual respect and compromise.
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MIVOTE
Adds wisdom to knowledge
11:16 AM on 05/29/2011
First Republican defines a group of people. I rarely look at a person individually and say: "Oh, you are a Republican." It's not like saying someone is from another country or something. But the ideologies of Republicans are h8ful.

They may be like you, but they are nothing like me. The mantra does not look at situations as a way of solving or resolving issues that can help the majority of people...their resolve is: How does this help keep me and my money safe...has nothing to do with seeing things differently...

And while the Democrats have shown time and again compromise...the Republicans haven't....and in that instance from this time forward, I've learned sometimes you leave h8ful people right where they are....

You can't take everyone with you...
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99er2049er
Democrats create jobs and build strong economies
06:39 PM on 05/30/2011
I don't blame individual voters for exercising their right to vote for whatever party they want. I also think many republicans are the victims of their parties agenda. I do however 100% blame the republican leadership who passes laws that financially destroy so many peoples lives, people who live paycheck to paycheck and are very vulnerable.

2012, will be some GOP payback time.
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10:39 PM on 05/26/2011
As a matter of fact....Democrats at the federal level should follow Governor Purdue's example. Where do you think the NC Republicans are getting there ideas. Federal Republicans have attached aid to disaster victims to legislation cutting education and the energy department in order to reduce enforcement of regulation for corporation. I thought the US didn't negotiate with terrorist. These negotiations are hurting American families, someone needs to stand for us. Short term sacrifice for long-term gain, Medicare, Social Security, Education, Human Services should not be on the table. Republicans should be made to vote on reversing Bush pay no tax cuts to corporation and subsidies to oil companies every week. The middle class, the working class and the poor, we have paid our share.
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10:27 PM on 05/26/2011
As a North Carolinian, I have not always favored Gov. Purdue's policies in other areas of state government. However, I think she has displayed some guts in duking it out with the Republicans. If she compromises on this issue, it will be open season as way of negotiating with people lives. Republicans need to be responsible for their actions, and they need to be pressured to do what is right. We should not pressure the governor to fold in order to increase unemployment benefits for some while cutting jobs for others. She must make the best decision that will affect the least amount of people. Even if the Republicans seek to reduce the proposed job loss amount from 200,000 to 50,000, is it fair to rob Peter to pay Paul? In this case no because the state will be extending benefits for 47,000 people while added at least another 50,000 to the unemployment payroll. No MBA required to do the math on this one.
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Taz2212
We need sustainable jobs!
09:24 PM on 05/26/2011
In the 1970's Jack Welch, CEO of General Electric said, "Ideally you'd have every plant you own on a barge to move with currencies and changes in the economy."

Corporations now globally operate in this manner. Instead of barges they use the Internet, free trade zones, and global tax breaks. We the people have been s*cre*wed out of jobs, living wages, and now out of meager unemployment checks. Something needs to change.
08:48 PM on 05/26/2011
All Congressional Republicans should be in North Carolina looking for jobs. Bring Fox the ACORN videography, and film yourselves looking for work: the application process, what happens after. Put as much film footage into that as into ACORN. Show is exactly where, in North Carolina, the tax cuts have created jobs.

When I emailed the statement to US Senator Richard Burr, for the first time in 7 years, I didn't get an email reply. Bet I struck a nerve.

The unemployed should go to the Raleigh state offices, use the senators and reps offices to conduct the job search. Let Republicans see first hand what it's like to send several hundred applications and resumes. Their fax number should be used for employers to respond to. Get Republicans involved as closely, step by step, second by second as possible.
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dayzee10
Are you a master builder or a master butcher?
09:53 PM on 05/26/2011
Its a good idea these people were elected to serve and lead the people it should not be a problem to help their constituants find jobs, it would be so very nice of them and I would be first in line to commend them. Go for it Retealibanbaggericans!!!!!
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Adartist777
Middle Class Warrior
10:35 PM on 05/26/2011
I live in your district. Burr never answered my e-mails either. Of course, if you compliment him, he would probably e-mail you back. But Burr's problem as with others of his party is the fact that they live in an alternate reality that doesn't include constituents in their agenda. Ideology comes first, even if it causes massive suffering and economic turmoil.
05:33 PM on 05/26/2011
I find this little statistic interesting, President Obama is at 51% approval in Floridia, the governor who took office 5 months ago is at 29%, with a disapproval of 56%, what ever there doing to destroy Obama isn’t working.
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Taz2212
We need sustainable jobs!
09:28 PM on 05/26/2011
And now Ms. Palin is riding out on her big bus letting us know how the U.S. was supposed to work while she gets richer working the crowds and toying with a run for the Presidency.
01:43 PM on 05/27/2011
-what ever there doing to destroy Obama isn’t working. -

Don't have to -he's doin a fine job himself
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
07:01 PM on 05/27/2011
He will be re-elected lucky for the country...the not ready for prime time GOP will be sent to the back benches...24 seats is the magic number...Medicare.
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robert horwitz
05:04 PM on 05/26/2011
If I ran for political office without thinking every worst case scenario through I would be sure that something was wrong with me. OK I probably wouldn't give much thought to what I would do if a large Asteroid hit the planet. When folks run out of money this is a worst case scenario and certainly one I would have considered. These people put you in office to help them. They didn't put you in office to squabble over your own personal gripes and then hold you breath until you turn blue. These folks need help now! Pass a clean Bill into Law. Give them the money that they really need and worry about it later because no matter what you do you will have to worry about it later so better you help these people out while you are all worrying.