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Jon Huntsman Flirted With 'Death Panels' As Governor

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First Posted: 05/27/11 11:39 AM ET Updated: 07/27/11 06:12 AM ET

Two years before Sarah Palin conjured “death panels" from her active imagination, Utah’s business elite devised its own far less infamous version. And depending on who you ask in Utah, then-Governor -- and current GOP presidential hopeful -- Jon Huntsman Jr. was all for it.

In 2007, the United Way of Salt Lake City, in an effort to come up with its own solution on health care reform, assembled a gold-plated committee of civic poo-bahs: white-collar elites from the city’s Chamber of Commerce and banking industries, a conservative bunch in an ultra-conservative state. The committee met regularly in an effort to craft a reform plan that they could support.

The committee took advantage of a time when everyone in Utah seemed interested in addressing this problem. “I loved the consensus that was formed there,” recalled Judi Hilman, executive director of the non-partisan Utah Health Policy Project. “I’ve never been more hopeful for Utah health reform than at that time. All the levers that you need to pull were pulled in that proposal.”

So what did the bigwigs come up with? Along with a mandate, they produced a progressive cost control measure that would have actually addressed one of the biggest issues facing reform: the sky-rocketing expenses associated with health care. The plan called for the adoption of an independent commission, or “Health Benefits Commission,” which would essentially rule on which procedures were clinically appropriate and which were just fattening the wallets of surgeons, drug makers, and medical device manufacturers.

In the pre-Palin era, advocates and insurance heavies agreed on the commission idea for Utah. This was not seen as something that would pull the plug on Salt Lake grandmothers -- rather, it would allow courses of treatment to be determined using medical knowledge. Dr. Joseph Jarvis, who served on the committee, says he was “encouraged” by the proposal. “It would be a huge change in the way health insurance is done,” he explained. “Right now, if there is a death panel, it’s behind corporate doors. They creatively deny benefits all the time. They don’t use clinical science to do that. They might claim that but they don’t.”

In Jarvis’ telling, the commission would formulate a basic benefit package that would be based on medically appropriate and clinical evidence. Useless surgeries for back pain? They wouldn’t be in the benefits package. Invasive procedures that show no better results than over-the-counter meds for acid reflux? Also not in the package. Under the United Way plan, Utah residents could still opt for that risky surgery for that ailing back, but they would have to pay for most if not all of it themselves. The more unnecessary the procedure, the less it would be covered by insurance.

According to a confidential draft of the United Way plan obtained by The Huffington Post, the authors wrote [PDF]:

We propose that an independent commission make coverage decisions based on these essential characteristics:

a) Treatments will be based on the lowest cost, generally-accepted alternative that meets the medical need.
b) Benefits will include financial incentives for healthy lifestyles (non-smoking, weight, others).
c) No deductibles are necessary because the co-payments/co-insurance structure provides appropriate incentives.
d) No out-of-pocket maximum is necessary because medically essential services are capped episodically and non-essential services are paid for out-of-pocket.
e) A combination of co-payments (defined amount) and co-insurance (defined percentage) that are tiered based on income (% of the federal poverty level) should be applied.

The independent commission should be appointed by the Governor, confirmed by the Senate, include 3-5 people, and include six-year terms. Members of the commission should include individuals with a mix of clinical knowledge and fiscal accountability. The commission will define the essential benefit package, provide coverage determination on an ongoing basis, and have rulemaking authority.

The commission will establish an appeals board to mediate disputes. This function will be structured like an administrative law judge. By law, there will be no additional recourse: neither providers nor insurers can be sued for denial of care outside of this venue.

Jarvis, an advocate for a single-payer style health insurance, considered the commission to be the United Way plan's most significant feature. Utah’s health care industry vets did as well.

Greg Poulsen, a senior vice president and chief strategy officer with Intermountain Healthcare, the largest insurer in the state, served on the United Way committee. In an interview with The Huffington Post last week, he too played up the cost-saving measures of the plan. He explained that the committee saw that any attempt at reform needed to try to rein in health care spending. “The rate of cost increase has been significant,” he said. “Like everywhere else, people worried about the rate of growth on health care costs and we were looking for ways to try and change that trend.”

Huntsman didn't just anxiously wait for this plan to be implemented from the sidelines. He lent staff support to the committee, recalled Bill Crim, senior vice president of community impact and public policy with the United Way of Salt Lake City. Crim was the lead staffer on the committee.

Norm Thurston, the governor’s health reform implementation coordinator, recalled attending some of the United Way meetings as well.

“Governor Huntsman’s staff was very much involved,” confirmed Bruce Reese, the committee’s co-chair. “We had really good involvement and monitoring from the governor’s office.”

These aren't just the recollections of a few. Newspaper accounts from the time repeatedly link the United Way committee with Huntsman. In an op-ed from Sept. 22, 2007 Reese writes in the Salt Lake Tribune: “The good news is that a new commitment and concensus are emerging to truly solve this problem. Through the United Way Financial Stability Council, the Salt Lake Chamber and the business community have teamed up with Gov. Jon Huntsman, legislative leaders...to develop a common sense, business-minded framework for addressing our health care challenges.”

To hear the Salt Lake Tribune describe it, the United Way plan had Huntsman’s support. The day the plan was set to be publicly released, the paper tied the plan -- including the commission -- to Huntsman, writing:

Coverage would be purchased from the private market, but at affordable prices. Benefits would encourage consumers to adopt healthier lifestyles without skimping on medical care. No one, not even the poorest families, would be denied basic care.

Such are the promises delivered in a blueprint for health care reform quietly authored by a think tank of 130 Utah business leaders and backed by economic and health advisors to Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr.

Jarvis, for one, believed the plan had Huntsman’s support. “I know that the governor’s office was very excited about this concept, the whole package,” he said. “Because of the commission -- I endorsed it. So did the governor. He was so enthused because he thought he had so many community leaders behind it. He had his staff immediately try to find sponsors in the legislature.”

John T. Nielsen, the governor’s adviser on health care reform whom one legislator dubbed Huntsman’s “voice and face,” attended the United Way’s planning sessions and liked the commission. “It struck me as not a bad idea,” he said. “I would not have personally rejected the idea ... I think it ran into legislative angst.” Nielsen, who said he did not recall the governor's opinion, would not confirm that he endorsed the entire plan.

The then-House Speaker David Clark argued that the plan couldn’t just be turned into concrete legislation. “It was concept -- 30,000 feet,” he said. The United Way eventually morphed into a new legislative task force that went on to develop the Utah Health Exchange. Clark doesn’t recall the governor or anyone in the governor’s office taking much of a position on the United Way’s proposals.

Over time, Huntsman’s support, by some accounts, decreased as well.“My sense was he was enthusiastic about it,” recalled Hilman. “He did kind of fade into the background sooner than many of us would have liked. He pulled back way too early.”

To Palin, the United Way commission would have screamed Death Panel, even if policy wonks aren’t saying it. The experts HuffPost contacted from the feds, a D.C. think tank and a state university in the upper Midwest refused to engage in a discussion about whether Palin would have labeled Utah’s effort a death panel.

But Huntsman’s camp’s reaction to this story is telling. In response to queries about the United Way’s plan, the campaign forwarded HuffPost a statement from the governor’s former chief of staff Neil Ashdown, who adamantly denied that his former boss endorsed anything death panel-related. “The governor was encouraged that the United Way brought a lot of parties to the table to begin the process of identifying and proposing health care reform solutions. He certainly didn’t endorse all of the policy prescriptions including the mandate and the benefits commission laid out by their final plan, as it was only one part of a large review process," the statement read.

Campaign spokesperson Tim Miller sent along a statement of his own on Huntsman’s health care reform record: “He should be judged based on the plan he supported, endorsed, and signed which has become the model for a comprehensive free-market, consumer driven reform that was not government-centric and did not include a mandate.”

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Two years before Sarah Palin conjured “death panels" from her active imagination, Utah’s business elite devised its own far less infamous version. And depending on who you ask in Utah, then-Govern...
Two years before Sarah Palin conjured “death panels" from her active imagination, Utah’s business elite devised its own far less infamous version. And depending on who you ask in Utah, then-Govern...
 
 
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Rooster Coburn 09:32 AM on 05/28/2011
We need to create a two-tiered system for medical reimbursement. Tier 1 would consist of reasonably necessary medical care for everyone. Tier 2 would include optional coverage to include services which, while not strictly necessary, people might want. Everyone would have tier 1 coverage, which would be provided at no cost to low income persons and then at subsidized rates and finally at market rares as  Read More...
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Shrank
We are sorry, your micro-bio is not PC
05:58 PM on 05/30/2011
Paul Ryan: I see dead people.

Reporter: In your dreams? [Paul Ryan shakes his head no]

Reporter: While you're awake? [Paul Ryan nods]

Reporter: Dead people like, in graves? In coffins?

Paul Ryan: Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're dead.

Reporter: How often do you see them?

Paul Ryan: All the time. They're everywhere. Most of them are on Medicare.
08:42 PM on 05/31/2011
A chillingly apt comparison.
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camelias and sweet tea
Small drinking village with a shrimping problem
10:00 AM on 05/30/2011
I still want to know where his hand was...See that grin on her face
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07:16 AM on 05/30/2011
eniough with the "death panels" ... we already have them. we do not pay for heart transplants for those age 100 to live another 6 months do we?
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Deaconess
A nurse and big sister to the World
01:16 AM on 05/30/2011
I do not know any Republicans at present who are showing wisdom and humanity. There are those who follow Republicans because they are used to following authority and are afraid to really trust Democracy. These Republicans are just confused. But then there are those who have deep hate and predjudice and relate to that right wing fanatacism. Then there are those who worship at the alter of money and power and they use all the before mentioned Republicans to get their way. Currently they are the party of fear and hate. We have a President who is brilliant and good---and if we really want to change our nation and economy for the better, we need to get behind him.
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dogofwar
Never confuse liquidity with solvency
11:47 PM on 05/29/2011
Grayson was right! The republican healthcare plan is simple: hurry up Grandma and die!
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alpaig
12:57 AM on 05/30/2011
What are you talking about? The headline is being sarcastic. The point of this article is Huntsman Jr was leaning more liberal on health care reform initially . He ended up with a more conservative approach because he was dealing with a far right legislature.
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nkurland
I'm going to leave this planet alive
10:06 PM on 05/29/2011
Whatever the heck a death panel is, the idea of an independent commission doesn't qualify. Rather, the idea is to discourage use of treatments with no proven medical benefit while making those that happen to be necessary more affordable. The idea is to get patients the correct treatment the first time.

The private sector and it Medical Loss Ratio is a far closer approximation of an actual death panel. There's something deeply amoral about a company charged with providing health insurance denying coverage in favor of their balance sheets, even if it causes death and economic dislocation.
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Hooponopono
From Maine to Hawaii
09:13 PM on 05/29/2011
I very much dislike the caption that Huntsman "flirted with death panels" Like hell he did.

HE ENDORSED THEM !

when he endorsed the Ryan plan. Health insurance never has and never will be profitible. So, for Ryan and Huntsman to snatch seniors from Medicate and throw them to the private insurance lions, is tantamount to eliminating all forms of health care for seniors. In essence the Ryan plan recreates the horrible problem that Medicare was conceived to solve.
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alpaig
01:00 AM on 05/30/2011
I agree with you about that the Ryan plan sucks. But the one of the problems with the Ryan Plan, as is the case with the health care reform legislation that was passed, is that neither address the issue of the high cost of health care sufficiently. You must have been pretty disappointed though when this administration took single payer off the table as an option ASAP and gave only tepid support to a public option. The health insurance industry is still in the cat bird seat on health care reform and that was under a Dem majority in both the House and Senate and a Dem administration.
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GraniteSkyline
I wish you happiness!
08:57 PM on 05/29/2011
Caption for the picture of P@lin and Huntsman on the front page of Politics:

Palin--"Why Mr. Huntsman, is that a death panel in your pocket or are you just happy to see me.?"
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09:49 PM on 05/29/2011
Two lovers of The Ryan Euthanasia Plan Special , Get referrals and get 200.00 more on your voucher
08:49 PM on 05/29/2011
Why should anyone be scared of death panels when Republicans want to cut Medicare and SS to the point where granny can't even afford to get a plan from a company with "death panels".
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madHenry
07:44 PM on 05/29/2011
That picture of Huntsman and Palin just cries out for a pornographic caption. But it being Sunday and all, I will refrain. Now if that picture is still around tomorrow I'll have to say something about the inability of the Huntsman to hit the bullseye.
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K8sMum
07:08 PM on 05/29/2011
as long as the people deciding about healthcare have their superb coverage paid for by taxpayers, they should have no say in what happens to us peons. if insurance companies were not so rich and didn't have that huge lobby, the very concept would be illegal.
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msblynne
doesn't hate or fear science
06:16 PM on 05/29/2011
How could America be vapid enough to allow that ignorant narci$$i$t to put imaginary obstacles in the way of common sense insurance reform? To demonize the bipartisan http://schealthcarevoices.org/2010/11/11/10-gop-ideas-found-in-the-new-health-care-reform-law/ milquetoast ACA into a partisan monster? $he brayed forward idiocy, and the mindless sheep followed. Not a neuron firing between them all.
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CPAwADD
My super power is sarcasm!
03:37 PM on 05/29/2011
The question really isn't whither death panels as we already have them. The question is will they be accountable or not.
Boopsie2008
Obama 2012. Says it all.
03:12 PM on 05/29/2011
The picture of Huntsman and Palin is hilariously captioned "Huntsman Flirted with Death Panels" when it looks like he's flirting with Palin. A subtle dig at her, perhaps?
12:50 PM on 05/29/2011
Some random things...
Insurance companies have always had and will always have "Death Panels". They are called ACTUARIES!!!
Social Security and Medicare are not entitlement programs every working American pays into these programs. More money then would ever be paid out would have been there if Washington kept there hands of that money....
Agricultural Subsidy is an entitlement program, but Republicans never mention that...