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Ryan Says His Plan Repeals The 'Raid' Obama Made To Medicare. It Doesn't

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First Posted: 05/27/11 12:49 PM ET Updated: 07/27/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Besieged by attacks over House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's Medicare plan, Republican lawmakers are amplifying their message that it was President Barack Obama's health care law, not theirs, that pushed draconian cuts to the entitlement program.

The only problem: The Wisconsin Republican's plan incorporates the very same cuts to Medicare that were part of the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

The latest Republicans in an increasingly expanding circle of GOP lawmakers to ignore this point were presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty and Ryan, himself. Pawlenty -- during an appearance on "Morning Joe" in which he both defended the Ryan plan and insisted he'd reform Medicare differently -- took umbrage with Obama for doing nothing other than slashing Medicare.

"If as president, my choices are something like Barack Obama's plan, which is nothing -- in fact, in Obama-care, he just flat out cuts Medicare –- and Congressman Ryan's plan, I would sign Ryan's plan," said Pawlenty. "But I've got my own plan -- or I will have my own plan -- and that's the one I am going to propose and advance."

"Obama-care kills Medicare as we know it," Ryan said on Fox News the night before, adding that his plan would stop the cuts to Medicare that the president placed in the ACA. "Obama-care raids $500 billion from Medicare to spend on Obama-care, puts in place a 15-panel board to ration Medicare by unelected bureaucrats."

"Our budget, repeals the raiding, gets rid of the rationing board, preserves this program, makes no changes for a person 55 years of age or older and saves Medicare, by reforming it for our generation, so it's solvent," he said. "The president's plan does not save Medicare, it allows it to go bankrupt, rations the program and raids the program. We get rid of the rationing, we stop the raiding and we save the program from bankruptcy."

Bemoaning the president's raiding of Medicare was a trademark feature of the GOP's election platform in 2010.

But for Ryan to say that his law repeals the raiding is to ignore both the realities of his own budget -- he wanted to show the maximum amount of savings so he kept the cuts and got rid of the subsidies -- and the previous statements of his own office. The $500 billion in cuts that the ACA makes to Medicare over 10 years are one of the few parts of the president's health care law that the Wisconsin Republican preserved, his spokesman Conor Sweeney acknowledged to the Associated Press upon the budget's unveiling.

Neither Sweeney nor a spokesman for Pawlenty responded to a request for comment.

To their credit, however, they aren't the only Republicans brushing aside the fact that Ryan's budget incorporates the same Medicare cuts from Obama's plan. Speaker John Boehner (Ohio) has done the same. As has Florida Sen. Marco Rubio whose spokesperson insisted that, because Obama's cuts to Medicare were already law, Ryan was therefore not inflicting any further damage.

"The bizzarre thing about attacks on the savings the Affordable Care Act achieved from Medicare was that every Republican that voted for the Republican budget that ended Medicare also voted for the ACA ones as well because Ryan kept them," emailed Eddie Vale, a spokesman for Protect Your Care, a group recently launched to support the president's health care law.

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WASHINGTON -- Besieged by attacks over House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's Medicare plan, Republican lawmakers are amplifying their message that it was President Barack Obama's health care law...
WASHINGTON -- Besieged by attacks over House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's Medicare plan, Republican lawmakers are amplifying their message that it was President Barack Obama's health care law...
 
 
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ogates
03:37 PM on 06/16/2011
The leaders of the GOP/TPers support Ryan's plan so why the continuous lies from Ryan? Oh I know cause not only does Ryan want to screw Medicare recipients--he wants them to like it!
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
08:25 AM on 06/02/2011
Some persons in reply to this article have implied that Obamacare is popular or that seniors as a group support Obamacare. Neither is true.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/opposition-to-obamacare-hits-new-high-in-kaiser-family-foundation-poll/

Quote from the site--
'The following chart shows that ObamaCare‘s unfavorables reached 50 percent in the latest Kaiser Family Foundation poll.  That’s higher than at any point since KFF started tracking ObamaCare’s unfavorables in January 2010.  The KFF poll also found that opposition is much more intense than support; 19 percent view the law very favorably, while 34 percent view the law very unfavorably'
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jkanon
A pragmatic progressive
08:17 AM on 06/02/2011
Who will be the adults in the fight over raising the debt limit? Don't count on the GOP for that.
05:07 PM on 06/01/2011
Ryan's plan is full of smoke and mirrors. Hides fact that his plan does not restore cuts to Medicare made by Obamacare.
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cobra7
Fact checking every Lie they tell
08:25 PM on 06/01/2011
What they don't say is the cuts that Obama made to Medicare had to do with Waste and Fraud to the tune of 550 Billion dollars.. Ryan is still going around rewording his speech on what his plan does trying to persuade seniors to feel good about his no Vaseline proposal....nuff said
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oliviaah
we need more cowbell
10:38 AM on 06/02/2011
Thanks for truthiness! X2
11:47 AM on 06/01/2011
Do the people of Wisconsin have any plan to recall Paul Ryan? If so, does anyone know if we can donate to their cause?

Please, please recall this guy...

Please?
08:14 AM on 05/31/2011
Paul Ryan is wrong! There was no raid as is depicted, the GOP/TEA party are killing the efforts of the previous Congress! Governors moving towards the new Heath Care law, passed by the last Congress and fought by the current Congress, is being accepted for it's accomplishments. Some doctors are abandoning the GOP/TEA stance on Health Care Reform in America. Ms. Snowe-Mello, who describes herself as a conservative Republican, has been drinking too much TEA. Ronald Reagan came to national political prominence in part by railing against “socialized medicine” on doctors’ behalf. President Obama and the 111th Congress passed Health Care legislation will provide health insurance to the vast majority of the nation’s uninsured, improve competition and choice in insurance, and promote prevention and wellness. The elite of the GOP/TEA Congress would take this away at everyday American expense. Even in Texas, where three-quarters of doctors said last year that they opposed the new health law, doctors who did not have their own practices were twice as likely as those who owned a practice to support the overhaul, as were female doctors. I feel that these governors are feeling the heat of their constituents. The question is who are these self appointed politicians to force their Social conservative values on the American public? Who do these people think they are to shove their agenda down the throat of the American public?
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mwade002
09:58 PM on 05/30/2011
Flip flop down the path to poverty with the newly revised Obama Care for Delusional Dummies who think themselves colonist. Dressed like squaws Ryan's militia brought the wheel chair bound seniors to their knees, capturing town hall. Truly the defining moment in the history of the Tea Baggers. "I am King" cried Ryan as the masses rejected him."I will rule. I will rule at any cost, no compromise."
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EricProgDem
02:06 PM on 05/29/2011
Up is down. Black is white. Liars.
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
12:20 PM on 05/29/2011
The GOP-TP agenda seems clear:

Allow corporations to dictate policy,
to privatize social safety nets,
outprice elders from affordable healthcare which will lead to premature death or financial ruin,
force women to have babies they can't support,
cut funds for education and retire teachers or break them financially,
re-write history (take Thomas Jefferson and Darwin out of textbooks, for instance).

The uniting theme that runs through these agenda points looks like a plan to hurry seniors off the planet and increase a youthful population that will be even less educated than we are now who will be more easily manipulated than at present. I don't like it. Is this what you want for your children?
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
02:00 PM on 05/29/2011
History Lesson:

1- Obama was elected in 2008, he took office in January 2009.  He was elected in large measure on a false perception that he would end the wars.

2-Democrats controlled both houses of congress by large majorities from January 2007, till January 2011.  Democrats gained power in 2007 largely on people's disgust with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Bush administration policies such as the patriot act, extraordinary rendition, "enhanced" interrogation techniques.  The democrats failed to end the wars (we are still in Iraq, it ain't over) and have continued and even expanded Bush Administration policies that were so unpopular.  In addition, they have in  that time, and especially since Obama took office, spiked government spending even more than the Bush administration had, and passed an extremely unpopular law (Obamacare) and gotten us into a third war in the middle-east this spring.

3-the Tea Party as a movement started mainly  around the nucleus of the only major party truly anti -war candidate that ran for President in 2008; Ron Paul.  This movement succeeded in taking control of the US House of Representatives in the 2010 electionreduce reduced the Democratic majority in the Senate.  

4-The Tea Parties objectives are 
   A-government that stays inside 
         Constiutional and lawful authority.

   B- clean up of the financial mess
          made by the last several 
          congresses and the two most 
          recent presidents.

   C- end the overseas wars,
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
05:40 PM on 05/29/2011
Privatization of social services won't balance the budget, but it will ruin people as costs for medical services and insurance continue to rise.

I agree: end the wars and abide by the constitution; are you suggesting that the new TP representatives voted for limiting presidential powers, or did they vote to extend the Patriot Act?
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Ldyforce6
And THAT's Cooperation. ~ Bert and Ernie
02:31 AM on 05/30/2011
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mwade002
10:07 PM on 05/30/2011
Highly educated, resourceful, and dedicated- I don't know what they will do- But Ryan's fools are no match for teachers.
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Angelica
Reality is only a matter of perception
12:11 PM on 05/29/2011
Wow, these Repugs must have breathed a sigh of relief when they heard the new BS spiel from Ryan and Co.

Now they can get back to bashing the President by telling the elderly. they are the "only ones" looking out for them, and not the Insurance Companies!
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Reaganite60
Don't tread on me.
11:43 AM on 05/29/2011
Who else but leftists make accusations of murder against those who are responsibly trying to reform an entitlement program that is clearly headed towards insolvency. Liberalism and progressivism does nothing but promote laziness and dependence on government.
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
01:03 PM on 05/29/2011
Keep out-sourcing jobs and force Americans to accept more work with less pay--that will help empower them to be able to take care of themselves with less dependence on government--NOT. If RR were running in 2012 he would lose.
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mummblemouth
Liberals: the only true fiscal conservatives.
01:31 PM on 05/29/2011
He should have lost the first time and we wouldn't be in this mess of trickled on BS.
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mwade002
09:42 AM on 05/31/2011
Sorry to be offensive but the President signed health care reform into law. The solvency of Medicare is irrelevant.
10:10 AM on 05/29/2011
The Ryan plans throws nobody under the bus and is an attempt at saving Medicare by changing the way it works and how it is financed before it crashes under it's own weight. Huge government run programs like SS, Medicare, and Medicaid started out as well meaning programs but were never built around a business model that would work, and the "chickens are coming home to roost". The numbers are there and accepted by all experts, and the issue is what to do about it. The Dems want to ignore the problem for political reasons while the Republicans, like Ryan, are attempting to solve the problem at political risk. Isn't it obvious who we should be supporting?
11:23 AM on 05/29/2011
Wow, what is your favorite flavor of Kool-aid? The huge government program you speak of, Medicare, is more efficient than private insurance companies. Creating a voucher program that just puts more money in the hands of the inefficient insurance companies does nothing to deal with the real issue - cost control. Cost control measures in the Affordable Care Act make steps in the right direction. The problem is controlling the costs, not finding a more efficient way of paying the bills.

The Dems passed the Affordable Care Act so they are trying to deal with the REAL problem. Ryan's plan ignores the real problem and hopes that somehow the invisible hand of the insurance market will deal with it.
11:40 AM on 05/29/2011
No one with your views will EVER be taken seriously until you stop ignoring the elephant in the room: RAISE THE TAXES OF THE TOP 2%. It is not the function of government to facilitate the accumulation of wealth by the top 2% in this country; it IS the function of government to "promote the general walfare" as FDR did. By the way, the government IS NOT a business nor should it be.
09:46 AM on 05/29/2011
The Ryan plan throws under 55 future seniors under the bus (that's me) AND their children, too. Today, my elder parents are well cared for with their Medicare Plans (even if they understand there are improvemen­ts and costs savings needed) with no additional financial support from their children. Under the Ryan Plan my kids will certainly be obliged to financiall­y support my future health insurance needs. I have been saving for 30 years, but not with the idea of paying big health insurance premiums. I will be out of money much sooner than planned and then what. If you are young and have parents in the 45 to 55 age bracket, you should also be shouting from the rooftops to stop the insane Paul Ryan Plan.
10:02 AM on 05/29/2011
And do you think the over 65 group are not dealing with a loss of planned income due to the lousy financial conditions in this country? Suck it up. You have sufficient warning to get your chit together.
11:32 AM on 05/29/2011
Yeah, it's tough our there, but it is a little easier to manage if you are not worried that you will lose everything by uncovered medical bills. I have been sucking it up for 30 years and making a huge change at age 53 in my retirement savings plan is not as easy as you seem to think.

My personal case aside, the Ryan voucher program is nothing more than a money grab by the insurance industry. Medicare is not perfect and I welcome a good faith effort to improve it. Moving the payments system from Medicare to private insurers will do nothing to address the basic problem of escalating costs. The Affordable Care Act is a start in that direction, but certainly more needs to be done.
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08:28 AM on 05/29/2011
Ryan tells a lie then covers it with another lie,so insulting to American citizens.
10:03 AM on 05/29/2011
WHen it comes to Washington, Paul Ryan IS the sharpest tool in the shed
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mummblemouth
Liberals: the only true fiscal conservatives.
11:00 AM on 05/29/2011
Well, he's certainly a tool anyhow.
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11:53 AM on 05/29/2011
If he'd only omit using that sharp tool on senior citizens the poor and middle-class.
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mwade002
07:18 PM on 05/30/2011
Flip flop down the path to poverty with Ryans' Obama Care for Dummies. " The Continental Congress needs a sound fiscal plan," lamented the deranged Ryan as he mimed for the crowd of Yankee-doodlers "my plan is to grow oats on Mars."
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cobra7
Fact checking every Lie they tell
08:44 PM on 06/01/2011
I just wish people on this post stop referring the Affordable Care Act as ObamaCare.....Of course he signed it but you have to think back on whose dirty hand prints were all over it when it was passed!!!!!!!....nuff said
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dave elliott
4 more years
08:25 AM on 05/29/2011
ryans plan, throws mama from the train, and grandma under the bus. americans are not as stupid as the republicans think they are. this is one lie that will not work for them. sorry gop, you went too far this time, america knows how you roll and now your time is up.