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Wisconsin Union Law Ruling Prompts State Justice Department To Ask Court To Lift Ban

Wisconsin Union Law Ruling

TODD RICHMOND   05/27/11 08:03 PM ET   AP

MADISON, Wis. — State attorneys asked the Wisconsin Supreme Court on Friday to immediately vacate a Madison judge's decision striking down Republican Gov. Scott Walker's contentious collective bargaining law.

Judge Maryann Sumi invalidated the law on Thursday after finding Republican legislators violated Wisconsin's open records law during the run-up to passage in March. The decision came in a lawsuit Democratic Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne filed challenging the law.

The state Justice Department is representing the Republicans. The agency's attorneys asked the state Supreme Court to take the case and the court set oral arguments on whether it should make a move for June 6. Deputy Attorney General Kevin St. John said in a letter to the justices late Friday they need to act now.

St. John said the issues have been fully briefed so the court can immediately vacate Sumi's decision without hearing any further argument.

He argued Sumi issued the decision on her own, even though no one involved in the case had asked for such a ruling. She didn't give any of the parties a chance to be heard on the final disposition.

He also reiterated the Justice Department's argument that the Republicans can't be sued because they enjoy legislative immunity and Sumi can't invalidate the law due to an open meetings violation.

"In its rush to judgment, the Circuit Court has exceeded its constitutional authority not only in terms of intermeddling with the legislative process ... but also by its deprivation of the defendants' due process rights," St. John wrote.

Ozanne didn't immediately return a message left at his office late Friday afternoon.

The law calls for public workers to contribute more to their health care and pensions. It also strips almost all of them of nearly all their collective bargaining rights.

Walker pushed for the law as a way to help balance a $3.6 billion deficit in the upcoming 2011-13 state budget. He said curtailing collective bargaining rights would give local governments the flexibility they need to absorb deep cuts in state aid.

The measure sent Democrats into an outrage. They saw the proposal as an attempt to weaken unions, one of their key constituencies. Senate Democrats fled the state in February in an attempt to block a vote in that house and tens of thousands of demonstrators converged on the state Capitol in protests that went on around the clock for three weeks.

Republican lawmakers got around the Senate Democrats' absence by convening a special committee to strip the fiscal elements out of the bill, negating the need for a full quorum, and Walker signed the measure in March.

But Ozanne alleged the Republicans didn't give the proper public notice of the committee meeting, and Sumi agreed on Thursday.

Regardless of how the court battle plays out, Republicans could pass the collective bargaining provisions again by tucking them into the budget. The Legislature's finance committee is still revising the spending plan.

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Associated Press writer Jason Smathers contributed to this report.

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shannington
You'll get as much respect as you give me.
09:08 AM on 05/31/2011
The government is not the same thing as a company. They are not run in the same way, nor should they be. They are completely separate entities with completely separate purposes.
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George R Williams
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09:33 AM on 05/31/2011
So what? How is that relevent to the discussion? Just getting into the discussion because you're lonely, shannington, because you don't make sense. The basic difference is that governments need not make a profit. However, they do have to be fiscally responsible in that expenses and revenues must balance, else they go in the hole and have to borrow from the money markets.
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shannington
You'll get as much respect as you give me.
09:45 AM on 05/31/2011
Ok, your negative comments about me were completely unwarranted. I did not just join this conversation. Read through the comments and you will find that I have posted numerous time on here. It is relevant to say what I said because there are numerous people on here who say "no company would function the way the government does." The government doesn't function like a business because it isn't one. It is a completely different set of rules, and they should not be compared to one another.

I never said that the government shouldn't be fiscally responsible. NEVER. What I said was they should not be compared to private businesses.
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
11:23 AM on 05/31/2011
Good morning all. I would also like to re-join the discussion, and here is a good place to start.

This is a rhetorical, shannington, just food for thought.

I'll agree that government is not the same as a company, and that they are not run the same way nor should they be, and that they have completely separate purposes. But they are alike in one aspect of purpose.

Neither exists to serve it's workforce.
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George R Williams
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04:48 AM on 05/31/2011
Let me put it another way. How many of you are permitted to bribe your bosses to overrule the interests of the stockholders/owners of the company where you work, in order for you to obtain a pay raise?
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pollclaire
jeu d'esprit
09:51 AM on 05/31/2011
What an awesomely fallacious argument. Unions were outspent by corporations almost 20 to 1 in the 2010 Wisconsin election cycle, and that doesn't even count the PAC money that went to pay for the non-stop issue ads.

Who bribes Who?

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George R Williams
Publius Cincinatus
10:00 AM on 05/31/2011
Irrrelevent. Diverting attention to corporations does nothing to address the fact that unions are bribing state legislatures for wage increase and benefits. Please explain why we should be discussing corporations when the article is clearly about teachers unions and the states action on bargaining rights. Clearly you have no logical retort because you are trying to change the subject.
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George R Williams
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10:03 AM on 05/31/2011
Just what is the fallacy of my argument? It certainly wasn't a false comparison between union and corporate political contributions, as I only addres union contributions. And you never said what was false. Are you just trying to be abusive because you don't agree with me?
02:52 PM on 06/01/2011
Your question in of itself is flawed, but don't worry, I will fix it for you. State workers are also citizens (shareholders of the state) and pay any additional tax that contribute to state funds, such as teachers pay. For your question to be at all comparable, the hypothetical employee(s) would also have to be shareholders. So looking at it the question in a more logical light, Southwest airlines comes to mind. The 10% of employee shareholders for southwest have consistently voted to raise pay. I am sure with minimal research you will find more employee owned companies doing the same. .
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George R Williams
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04:34 AM on 05/31/2011
These teachers are not ordinary middile class Americans, but privileged middle class Americans who get way above average benefits and salaries. They are little better than the unions that put the auto industry in bankrupcy and on the pubic dole.

As consituencies of state representitives they collectively have more influence than individual voters State representives are conflected, being on one hand fuduciarily responsible to the average, non-union voter on the other hand subject to quid pro quo to the unions.. The unions give state represnetiives political contributions to overrule the interests of the non-uniion voter. Anybody that thinks that this is simply a case of anti-middle class does not understand what is going on. The Democrats are all too willing to sell out the average citizen for the interests of union members for the almighty campaign contribution. Average citizens who support this are suckers.
05:12 AM on 05/31/2011
This is quite rich. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that the unions contribute more to politicians than corporations? Of course not. The truth is that corporations contribute multiples more money to politicians than unions simply because they have more money.

You call teachers "privileged middle class Americans." What about the privileged rich? Your argument does not hold water - or any other substance known to man.
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George R Williams
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06:43 AM on 05/31/2011
You don't address the issue. The issue is that these teachers earn much higher wages than average middle class earners, pay very little in the way of contributions to their health care and pensions, and are in the position of multiplying their influence over their employers through the collective contributions of their unions. Union workers have one personal vote for their representitives and one huge vote through the influence of their union's political campaign contributions. Since their representitives are effectively their bosses, the unions contributions are tantamount to bribery to obtain pay raises. State unions have been bribing the Democrat party for years in order assure above average cost of living pay increases and retirrment packages for their people. I find your reference to corporate contributions amusing because it is just a red-herring that has nothing to do with what I said.
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George R Williams
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06:44 AM on 05/31/2011
Let me put it in terms of how the taxpayer should view this. Jack and Jill are married. Both have lost their well paying jobs due to the recession and are now working part time and full time, respectively, in low paying service industries. Jack and Jill are just getting by; making payments on their home and keeping up with the bills. Jack and Jill read the newspapers and note that their state's spending is out of balance with its revenue. They note that the governor will have to raise state income taxes by 15 percent, in order to accommodate future state obligations to teacher pensions, if nothing is done to reduce those obligations. Jack and Jill, already living on the margins are distressed, and at a loss as to what they will do when the state takes another 15 percent of their income. Jack and Jill Democratic party state legislature representitive goes ballistic when his favorite source of bribes, er, campaign contributions is asked to forgo the right to negotiate fringe benefits. Sorry Jack and Jill, you only have one vote each at the polls, while the teacher unions has the all important $50,000 campaign vote, er, I mean contribution. Get it now dewbatty?
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
12:11 AM on 05/31/2011
"but also by its deprivation of the defendants' due process rights," St. John wrote." Who says Republicans have no sense of irony?
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pollclaire
jeu d'esprit
09:56 AM on 05/31/2011
Yeah, it's capital-I Irony in a couple of ways, and it's also a misleading statement.

First, the defendants asserted their legislative immunity on day one of the court hearing, and were dismissed from the case.
Second, what's this newfound Republican interest in following the rules?
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ObamaFanatic
Paddle Faster, I hear Banjoes!
10:52 PM on 05/30/2011
I look at all this and wonder where as a Nation we have gone wrong. How in the world did we convince some people that the bad guys in all of this are Middle Class American workers.

Just boggles the mind.
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
11:21 PM on 05/30/2011
Horsehockey. You guys have been trying to convince people that unelected public union government employees are somehow "middle class Americans" since this whole unseemly debacle began.

...and you've failed miserably...
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ObamaFanatic
Paddle Faster, I hear Banjoes!
11:35 PM on 05/30/2011
How are they NOT middle class Americans?

What do YOU consider them?
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
02:13 PM on 05/31/2011
Hi ObamaFanatic, I finally figured out where your coming from, you must be a liberal, I thought you were another troll. When I said they stole the money it was the corporations I was referring to.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
09:35 PM on 05/30/2011
People who work should be paid fairly, not just the very least the company can get away with.
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
10:02 PM on 05/30/2011
People who work should be taxed fairly, not just the very most a public union can get away with.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
10:10 PM on 05/30/2011
Didn't you mean to say the super rich should be taxed fairly?
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drini
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10:40 PM on 05/30/2011
Enlighten us all on how public unions impact taxes? Aren't taxes mandated by the IRS, not a labor union?
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George R Williams
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04:40 AM on 05/31/2011
Who determines fairness? Look what that kind of "fairness" got our auto industry. Millions were let go and GM and Chrysler got bailed out. Non-union Toyota workers are still employed and their employer is solvent. I've also got news for you, we're in a world wide competition for auto sales, with the Chinese about to com on board. How will fairness work when Americans when they enter the U.S. market? Workers would make out better is fthey were more worried about putting cars out a the cheapest cost than worrrying about demonizing their employers.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
09:08 AM on 05/31/2011
The 10% wealthiest in this country have close to 40 trilllion dollars. The average workers are the ones being demonized!
03:26 PM on 06/01/2011
Funny how the strong German Auto unions do not seem to be hampering sales. I think it is funny that American manufacturing looks to cheap labor to build it's products, while German (and other western euro) reinvest in their workforce. The fact is, American product are becoming more inferior when made by less skilled, cheaper workforces. You should be looking at sales, not work force as the big issue with American manufacturing. China has cornered that market for cheap crap, maybe we should be modeling ourselves after the Germans.
09:31 PM on 05/30/2011
http://www.progressnowcolorado.org/well_at_least_he_got_his_name_right_fact_checking_scott_walkers_latest_ad : I just did a little fact checking on Governor Walker. Big Spending is his game but his state is not prospering. See cheese...look for the rat.
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butchie65
Arithmetic
09:12 PM on 05/30/2011
In today's JSonline, there is an article that is even boiling the Republicans blood. Walker is planning changes to a bill by some law makers as a "dubious giveaway" and "crony capitalism." It benefits insurance companies and other special interests, the Department of Revenue, said.The $400 million bill intended to jump start job creation would cost the state up to $590 over 17 years or even higher. The blogs have tons of Republicans that voted for him, and they are irate. Good bye Walker ! Even his lawmakers are against him now.
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
10:46 PM on 05/30/2011
Good bye Walker?!?! For planning changes to a bill that's a "dubious giveaway"?

...seems to me it'd be "Good bye Walker" if he DIDN'T change a bill that's a dubious "giveaway"...

(But even if he didn't, five-hundred-ninety dollars over seventeen years seems a small sum to get excited about.)
HellerHighwater
World centrist, "Far-left" American
09:01 PM on 05/30/2011
An analysis of the genesis of this bill:

Racist/Classist Justification: those people make too much money
Actual Purpose: decimation of reliably Democratic voting bloc
Cover Story: the budget is in crisis, it needs to be balanced
Flying Monkey Appeal: your taxes are high because: see Racist/classist justification
Patron/Bankroll: Koch Brothers
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08:48 PM on 05/30/2011
I wonder if Walker will be remembered for being the one to solidify the demise of
the Republican Party for the 2012 Presidential Election, when he is recalled in
January.
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drini
daughter of houdini
10:41 PM on 05/30/2011
The entire US can thank both Walker and Ryan for this dubious distinction.
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lm945
07:38 PM on 05/30/2011
The bill was banned because the Republicans pushed it through by violating the states 24-hour rule.

Instead of dragging this through the courts, why don't you just re-vote the bill within the 24-hour rules?

Oh, that's right. You don't have the votes.

The GOP's new motto: "The Only Way To Win Is Cheat."
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enoughalready
The PEOPLE win with Obama/Biden!
07:52 PM on 05/30/2011
Judge Sumi only made a judgement on the way the vote took place and did tell the legislature that they may go ahead and vote the proper way with 24 hour notice and you are so very right - they haven't done it! Votes they don't have!!!!!
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
07:57 PM on 05/30/2011
The bill was banned because a county Judge agreed with an "accusation" that 24-hour rule had been violated. But Judge Sumi isn't an expert on state Senate rules, and if her ruling is vacated by the higher court it will be because she jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Why should Republicans save Judge Sumi's bacon with a legislative "do-over" if she was wrong? Revoting would validate her ruling. Besides, watching the higher court vacate her baseless ruling so that the law can go forward,

...is going to be sweet...
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enoughalready
The PEOPLE win with Obama/Biden!
08:05 PM on 05/30/2011
She is an expert on WI constitution and the open meetings law is in our constitution. We have a checks and balances system and the Judiciary protects the constitution.
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FL TallMan
Disabled Vietnam Vet
08:22 PM on 05/30/2011
What would be "sweet" would be you knowing what you are talking about. The "accusation" was proven in a court bearing a judge appointed by a Republican. She heard the arguments and ruled accordingly.

Plainly the GOP does not have the votes to pass the bill properly or they would have done it long ago. Their only hope now is that the Republican Supreme Court overturns the lower court, which is likely given its ideologies.
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Maranda MassieGuthrie
my bio is empty!
07:20 PM on 05/30/2011
i wish walker would just be quite already and do what the people who elected him favor..let it go walker, let it go!
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MLukhman
Once you start down the dark path, forever will it
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ZaneDavid
Retired Sailors Have More Fun.
04:45 PM on 05/30/2011
When Carter and the Democratic Congress did away with my rights as a Federal employee
you were apathetic.

Collective bargaining gone....you were apathetic.
The right to strike gone........you were apathetic.
Benefits cut to the bone........you were apathetic.

So, welcome to club med.......you are getting what you deserve... apathy.
05:48 PM on 05/30/2011
What about Taxpayers Rights ??

Why should Taxpayers be locked into paying for your Cadillac Healthcare and generous pensions for so many Public Employees?? Meanwhile you've bankrupted our public system of Social Security... failed the Public, failed to do your job. There is no lock box.

Why should my Income and Property taxes constantly go up or be tied into paying your pension?
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ZaneDavid
Retired Sailors Have More Fun.
06:04 PM on 05/30/2011
EXACTLY...couldn't have said it better. Confused?

Don't be - there are a lot of public union people that are starting to understand what
they / we have caused. At the time we didn't understand what the consequences were.
I am an electrician, not an economist - it never occurred to me.
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ZaneDavid
Retired Sailors Have More Fun.
06:05 PM on 05/30/2011
*fan*....pain
03:48 PM on 05/30/2011
Interesting... how the Rule of Law is clearly falling apart in this country. The rich and powerful, no longer obeys the law, rigs election and forces the results in their favor, decimates the very foundational building blocks of our political democracy and says to the middle class and the down trodden - "To hell you go". With all these Republican/Conservative Trojan lawyers we are certainly doomed.
06:05 PM on 05/30/2011
Sounds like a load of Bull.

Please provide just one detailed example of what you're talking about ...
10:21 AM on 06/01/2011
I am not surprised at the rate of understanding of most Republicans - Are you from a different planet? This is what happens when all you watch is Fox News - Pathetic....