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House GOP Votes Down Clean Debt Limit Increase, Eyes Medicare In Deal

John Boehner

First Posted: 05/31/11 10:23 PM ET Updated: 07/31/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Republicans are using the lopsided outcome of Tuesday's failed debt ceiling vote as a means to push through Medicare reforms.

Not everyone was open to the idea, pushed by Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), that a plan by Rep. Paul Ryan to privatize the program for future seniors remain "on the table" for debt limit talks. But what was clear from Tuesday night's vote, in which a clean debt ceiling bill went down 318 to 97, was that GOP lawmakers felt emboldened to try to push entitlement reform yet again.

"There's no way to get there without having some examination of the entitlement programs that we have," Freshman Rep. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) said. "There's no question that to get the House back in order, we're going to have to do something revolutionary."

Vice President Joe Biden is leading talks with both parties over the debt limit, which was reached on May 16. The Treasury Department estimates the government would begin to default on its loans by August 2 if Congress does not vote to raise the debt limit, a move that Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has warned have a "catastrophic economic impact."

Few details have emerged from the bipartisan debt talks, but both parties have laid down certain guidelines for what they want in a final deal. The Republican line, in particular, demands major spending cuts in the short and long term.

McConnell, the leading Republican in the Senate, has said that he would not vote to raise the debt limit unless the accompanying legislation included cuts to Medicare, perhaps based on Ryan's 2012 budget. The Ryan budget proposal, which passed the House and won 40 GOP votes in the Senate, would replace Medicare with a voucher-like system for future seniors that could lead to high costs and

On Sunday, McConnell told NBC's "Meet the Press" that the Ryan budget would be "on the table" for debt ceiling talks.

"We are going to discuss what ought to be done," he said. "I can assure you that to get my vote to raise the debt ceiling, for whatever that is worth... Medicare will be a part of it."

Some House Republicans have echoed McConnell's sentiments, saying they will continue to push for Medicare changes as part of a deal to raise the debt ceiling.

"That's the budget the House has passed, and that's the budget we're going by," said Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier (R-Calif.), though he sounded open to other ideas on Medicare. "We're obviously in a place where we want entitlement reform."

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the Oversight Committee, also hedged on whether the Ryan plan should be included in the debt deal to address Medicare, telling HuffPost "Ryan's Medicare plan has nothing to do with my committee. My committee is the committee of waste, fraud and abuse."

"I think that Ryan is critically right in knowing that you have to deal with it," Issa added. "If you got him here and interviewed him, he would say, 'I'm not looking at mine as the only solution, I'm happy to have a discussion about how we reform Medicare, but we have to do it.'"

Others were less certain that Medicare would be a part of the final deal, although they stressed Medicare must be reformed to deal with the deficit.

"We have to address the core issues on Medicare," said Rep. Tim Murphy (R-Pa.). "Where this happens, nobody knows at the moment."

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.), vice chairwoman of the Republican Conference, said she is waiting to "see what they come up with," but that entitlements are likely to be a part of the final deal.

"Everything is on the table," she said. "I think it's important that we keep everything on the table and allow the negotiators to do their work."

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WASHINGTON -- Republicans are using the lopsided outcome of Tuesday's failed debt ceiling vote as a means to push through Medicare reforms. Not everyone was open to the idea, pushed by Sen. Mitch M...
WASHINGTON -- Republicans are using the lopsided outcome of Tuesday's failed debt ceiling vote as a means to push through Medicare reforms. Not everyone was open to the idea, pushed by Sen. Mitch M...
 
 
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12:35 PM on 07/10/2011
These Republicans need their heads examined NOW. They are sad group.
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rybalaw
02:14 PM on 06/04/2011
The bill to raise the debt ceiling is a dead letter. The gop strategy is as follows:
1. Refuse to raise the debt ceiling
2. Secession from the Union by every state that has GOP majorities in both houses of the state house.
3. Civil War
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visitrubyfalls
11:01 AM on 06/02/2011
Where is the information on the number of Democrats that voted no? The number was higher than I thought it would be. Even Nancy Pelosi voted no.
10:10 AM on 06/02/2011
Another day with headlines about how many people abuse, or just take pain medication and stress related drugs. THAS ABOUT ALL THATS LEFT ISN'T IT.. Gee who doesn't want to sell drugs at those prices????? All of these elected are set medically for LIFE. NOT MINE. They don't want to spend 50 cents on my life THIS FORCED SO CALLED RECESSION CAUSED BY PURE GREED, ..IT CONTINUES AND GROWS DAILY. UNTIL THESE BIG BUSINESS AND BIG DRUG COMPANIES ARE STOPPED....NOTHING WILL GET BETTER....NOTHING THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY IS BEING PICKED CLEAN... TO COVER ALL THE MISTAKES THEY MAKE. 'WE' PA WHILE THEY LIVE IN GRAND STYLE. WE HAVE TO FIX THINGS OVER THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE, TAKE IT ALL WHILE THE GETTING IS GOO THEY GET THEIR 100% AND WE CONTINUE TO GET THE SHAFT!!! Our debt have you looked to see just how it got so high. Have you looked at all the endless bills leading nowhere but to rich guys pockets, Have you looked at cover ups, how they get our money by channels you have never heard of. Look at the books to see how much is just written off, Billions, and it gets a ON WELL! HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED BEYOND WHAT YOUR TOLD IN THE MEDIA? ITS ALL OUR THERE TAKE A LOOK.. ROBBED WITH NO GUN, JUST LIES AND FAKE SMILES.
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KenClay
REPEAL DOMA
08:17 AM on 06/02/2011
Don't you just REALLY DESPISE republicant's
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Wesley Holbrook
Retired-Marine
02:17 AM on 06/02/2011
Nah,..everyone has to sacrifice, especially the rich. Where are the good jobs with healthcare benefits??? Rescind their taxcuts!!!
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ernestkp
Plant more hardwoods!!
12:09 AM on 06/02/2011
Maybe someone could explain to me the connection between the national debt and Medicare. Medicare is a solvent government program and will be for the foreseeable future. It is funded through deductions from everyone's paycheck and even those on Social Security pay a Medicare premium. This is what is commonly refered to as a "funded" program. Seniors on Social Security are already required to purchase supplemental health care insurance from insurance companies in order to cover expenses not covered by Medicare. They are also required to purchase prescription drug insurance.
When is enough, enough? Why is it so important for republicans to drain every last dollar they possibly can from the average American in order to continue to support an industrial health insurance industry that is quite simply the disgrace of the civilized world? Is it stupidity? Corruption? Graft? Greed? Why is it they can not possibly bring themselves to do the right thing for the American people?
04:01 AM on 06/02/2011
You are absolutely right, these people have no concience or sense of decency when it comes to the average American. Unless you are in the top 2 per cent, you are definitely out of luck when it comes to fairness. I pay Medicare premiums every month as well as supplemental health and Prescription Part D. With this voucher plan that they are endorsing, I would be back to paying over 700.00 a month just for health coverage alone.
What this Republican Congress is telling all Seniors is right out of Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol, when Scrooge said "Why don't they just die and decrease the surplus population"?
Well I don't plan on it anytime soon, so I'll take them all on at the ballot box come election time.
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rainkitty
11:36 PM on 06/01/2011
Paul Ryan's New Big Lie About Medicare:
"Paul Ryan has consulted with Frank Luntz and the Republican Party has now chosen to revert to their old meme lie: The Affordable Care Act destroys Medicare.
The Affordable Care Act does not end Medicare as we know it. To be clear, what the Affordable Care Act does is to stop insurance company subsidies and establish cost controls to bring down the cost of health care overall.
Paul Ryan is kidding himself into thinking there aren't panels out there now making decisions on everyone's health care in the private sector (HIS plan), he's nuts. Every day someone at an insurance company will make a decision about price controls and rationing for their insureds. It may mean they deny a procedure, or they decline to include a specific medication in their formulary, or whatever. The only difference between that panel and the one established under the ACA is that the motive for decision-making will not be profit, but outcomes."
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/paul-ryans-new-big-lie-about-medicare
11:10 PM on 06/01/2011
Cmon its just old people. Maybe they will go after babies next. But not the rich.
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tc71087
11:04 PM on 06/01/2011
I think every Republican member of the House needs a spanking. But, 2,000 dollars bet saying they would enjoy it and would pay me as much.
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glddraco
10:54 PM on 06/01/2011
And Rassmussen has the republicans with a 6 in the polls recently... Guess people really want medicare and other social programs destroyed. :(
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glddraco
10:53 PM on 06/01/2011
GOP = Greedy Old Pigs who only care about themselves and their lobbyist friends.
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FreedomFreedomFreedom
Its A Choice Between Fear And Love
09:40 PM on 06/01/2011
Republicans insist on two things, no tax increases for the rich and corporations, and Medicare cuts. The first will protect the assets of the financial elite and the second will impoverish the poor and middle class. Is there any question that the Republican Party is the party of the oligarchy? The MAJORITY of Americans will be negatively impacted by the Republican Party agenda. The Republican Party is protecting the assets of a minority of Americans while exposing a majority of Americans to illness, suffering and misery. The Conservative voter who is poor or middle class that is blindly supporting the Republican Party must realize that the Republican Party agenda is not in your best interest or the best interest of America. It is not just Liberals.
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11:31 PM on 06/01/2011
It isn't true that everyone has to sacrifice. In fact no one has to sacrifice except insofar as delaying the purchase of your third home, eleventh car and even bigger yacht can be conceived of as sacrifice.

Even the TeaPartiers--the earnest ones not the astroturfers--will eventually start to catch on. We may be seeing the beginning of the phase shift with the Ryan Voucher Budget backlash. When that group *does* turn against the crooks they have been supporting the turn might well be rapid and violent. Gated communities and palatial digs in general are exquisite targets for guerilla warfare whether or not waged tomorrow morning by strange bedfellows from this evening's Left and Right.

If the plutocrats push too hard in dividing us to protect themselves, the shift is almost inevitable. We are all feeling alienated on our respective sides of the conventional political narrative. It would psychologically VERY refreshing to join hands to fight shoulder to shoulder against a common enemy.

Unless the rich can arrange for an alien invasion within the next few years, the common enemy of choice will be the real one. Them.
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rybalaw
02:19 PM on 06/04/2011
Welcome to the second American Civil War bloodier than the 1st one.
09:33 PM on 06/01/2011
The GOP wants to be back in power BUT destroying Medicare is not the way to do it. Do they not have any clue that some of the same people who have Medicare usually vote GOP?
Come on America, lets show THEM that we are NOT going to just sit by and accept what they are trying to do.
Do your research and Make sure you vote!!!!!
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artyar
I tread on dimwits every day
09:21 PM on 06/01/2011
Medivoucher. That's what Democrats should refer to it as. It will scare the hell out of everybody and seal the Republicans fate in 2012.
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markie G
...all 6's, 7's + 9's
10:23 PM on 06/01/2011
artyar, you are a public-relational, spin-doctoral ge-ni-us