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First Posted: 06/02/11 07:19 PM ET Updated: 08/02/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Congressional Democrats challenged President Barack Obama to more forcefully use his bully pulpit during their White House meeting Thursday, but Obama signaled he would not change course in upcoming battles with Republicans, people who attended the meeting told The Huffington Post.

The challenge -- on behalf of the many Democrats who have long complained that Obama is not making enough use of his White House megaphone -- was principally delivered by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), according to the attendees. Waxman, lawmakers said, called for stronger action across the board, rather than on a particular issue.

But Obama responded that he has to be more careful and more considered than that, and that he is executing an existing plan.

The president has heard the complaint before. Democrats have accused Obama repeatedly of ceding too much ground to the GOP, especially on health care and the extension of the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy. But attendees said the critique appeared to rub him the wrong way on Thursday.

"He was a little testy with the Waxman question. Essentially, Mr. Waxman was urging him to fight more," one legislator said. "The president reminded folks that he's the president sitting in that chair and he knows how to negotiate."

Obama also told the assembled Democrats not to count on more fiery rhetoric from the Oval Office.

"He said, 'There's a difference between me and a member of Congress,'" another lawmaker said, paraphrasing the president as saying: "When I say something the markets react, all of society reacts, other countries react. I've got to be careful with what I say. I can't just say it for brinkmanship. I've got to say it in a way so that I get what I want said, but I don't upset markets and so on."

"He said it like this," the Democrat elaborated: "'When Eric Cantor says something, Eric Cantor says something. When I say something, markets and countries and people react in a way where it could cause us more problems than we have now.'"

Another member of Congress said Obama included House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in the Cantor category as someone who is free to say partisan things, adding that members believe that Obama at least heard them.

"The Waxman question reflected some hope on the part of the caucus that the president will be aggressive in defending his priorities," the member said.

Lawmakers who were willing to speak on the record said that the meeting went well and that Obama signaled he expected to get a debt ceiling deal cut with the GOP within the month.

"I was very pleased by the firmness the president displayed that defaulting on the debt is absolutely not an option," Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) said. "He expressed some optimism that they would be able to reach an agreement in a month or so. and what he said that I think is quite practical and important for all of us in Congress to understand is we really can't afford to have a countdown clock on reaching a resolution on the debt ceiling."

Added Welch: "If we create real uncertainty in the market -- and we're already seeing some market volatility -- that could do lasting damage to the country's credit rating and do real damage to a fragile economy."

Attendees said other key meeting topics included raising taxes on the wealthy, new highway and jobs bills, withdrawing from Afghanistan and protecting domestic social programs in ongoing budget talks with the Republicans.

The president offered few specifics on those fronts, but did insist he'd stand by Medicare, which the Republican budget proposal would turn into a more costly system of subsidies for private insurance programs. And Obama allowed that raising revenues was on the table.

"He said Medicare is not negotiable," said Rep. Jose Serrano (D-N.Y.), who felt the overall discussion was positive and appreciated by the members.

"I think it was the Democratic caucus reminding him who we want him to be, and who we are, and that there are some things that cannot be negotiated," Serrano said, including Medicare in that category.

"It was a very positive and productive meeting," Welch said.

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WASHINGTON -- Congressional Democrats challenged President Barack Obama to more forcefully use his bully pulpit during their White House meeting Thursday, but Obama signaled he would not change course...
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TheHandyman 07:59 PM on 06/02/2011
For Obysmal to state that wall street rises and falls on his every utterance is the height of self indulgence. Wall street rises and falls 50 times a day on mere rumors. Obysmal is doing what he has always done both as a Senator to the Illinois Legislature and the US Senate. He has yet to lead on anything other than the gutting of the single payer health care plan, the reinstatement of Glass-Steagley, the  Read More...
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whirlybird
Time's a-wastin'!
07:54 AM on 07/29/2011
What about Medicaid? The DD community, the indigent kids, the seniors in nursing homes? Why don't we hear more about the plans for Medicaid? Does the fact that many of these folks don't vote make them less important to care for??
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SpookyAnnya
RN for higher teachers' salaries
03:06 AM on 07/29/2011
Im glad Obama is in charge. I felt calmer reading the article. McCain folded to Hanniby(sp) at fox today over reading the WSJ Hobbits comment to the Senate. I was sad to watch this war hero side stepped this Interviewer who has never served his country or even worked out of a controlled temperature environment, verbally shot at his feet while Senator McCain danced. It was sad to see.
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AntiRethuglican
Proud_Liberal
07:53 PM on 07/07/2011
If I had to choose a food that I think best represents Obama's performance as the POTUS, I would say, "Watery, lukewarm chicken broth".
06:34 PM on 06/05/2011
Spineless. But .. he'll accomplish the one thing he wants and is solely planning for .. staying in power.
06:01 AM on 06/05/2011
To all the liberals and progressives who are disappointed with President Obama:
Reserve your opinion (or at least keep an open mind) until the
debt ceiling battle is over.
If he caves in on Social Security and Medicare, then you will have been proven correct.
If not, then get out there and help him get reelected.
Help return Democratic control to the House of Representatives and
give him filibuster-proof majorities to work with in both houses of Congress.
Do that, and in his second term, you'll be much less disappointed.
Whaddaya say, folks?
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TheTightwireGuy
Attempting to balance reason and passion
08:31 PM on 06/07/2011
The Blue Dog Democrats kept the Democratic Party from presenting a unified front in 2009/2010 to counter the tactics of the Republicans to undermine Obama's agenda per his 2008 campaign. It is not enough for the Democrats to win back the House in 2012. It needs to get Proressives elected. Unfortunately, Obama is working against the Progressives in his party. While it was not clear to a lot of voters in 2008 how much of a Blue Dog Obama is himself, Progressived need to be aware of this now and need to make a choice: (A) focus on the short-term and work to help Obama re-elected in 2012, which would only serve to strengthen his ability to advance to Blue Dog/Corporatist agenda, or (B) give up on Obama now and start looking for Progressives who can challenge him in 2012 as preparation for 2016 even though the challenge this election cycle has no chance of overcoming his stranglehold on the party. I say it is high time to start looking for a challenger.
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dizmo4
03:23 AM on 06/11/2011
Yeah, lets all abandon Obama in 2012.  
Then we can all live under President Romney and his GOP controlled Congress.   They can pass the Ryan budget and continue the tax cuts for the rich and so forth.  That'll teach those Democrats for not being liberal enough. 


Or perhaps you could grow up and understand that the way to change the country is to , above anything else, maintain power.   GOP has been in control of Congress or the WH for the majority of the past 30 years.   They've changed the culture of the nation from a great society culture to one that is far more anti-government.    Trickle Down economics would have gotten you laughed off the national stage in the 60s.   Today its assumed to be fact.     That didn't occur over night, but with years of work by the conservative movement.  

Reagan didn't ban abortion as many conservatives wanted, but they stuck wtih him because he started that process.   30 year ago no state could get away with the anti-abortion legislation they're passing today.   The country has shifted to the right considerably.

To move it back leftward you need to apply steady pressure over time.  Thats something liberals seem incapable of understanding.   No single president is going to reverse 30 years of GOP rule.   And if the liberals continually give up after 4 years when a Democratic President hasn't solved all problems, allowing the GOP back into power,   nothing will chagne.  The country will continue its rightward slant.

You need to be patient and allow the stead progress to be made.   Get Democrats elected so the GOP can't hold the nation hostage as its doing now.   Move forward from there.
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whirlybird
Time's a-wastin'!
07:57 AM on 07/29/2011
"Obama is working against the Progressiv­es in his party."

That has been true since the day after he got elected. I have registered as a Green this year, and will be working more locally to get progressive ideas in motion.
11:14 AM on 06/14/2011
AGREED! F&F!

All this progressive dissention against President Obama would be amusing if it didn't have the potential to hurt the democrats in 2012.

Sure, President Obama's policies may not be perfect, but don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. At least President Obama isn't doing the same thing a REPUBLICAN President would do. Half a loaf of bread is better than none. THERE JUST AREN'T ENOUGH VOTES IN CONGRESS FOR ANYTHING BETTER!

President Obama is playing a very delicate game of chess with the Republicans and Wall Street. He and the democrats will have to move to the right and continue to move to the right to stay in power.

You progressives are just a tiny minority in this country. The sooner you all realize it and completely support President Obama and the democrats, the better for everyone. I think this noisy dissent should stop.
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whirlybird
Time's a-wastin'!
07:58 AM on 07/29/2011
Yeah, well, we think you should grow a pair.
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Mikeeee
conservatism = "low-effort" thinking.
05:43 PM on 06/04/2011
"He said it like this," the Democrat elaborated: "'When Eric Cantor says something, Eric Cantor says something. When I say something, markets and countries and people react in a way where it could cause us more problems than we have now.'"
You mean we could have a "public option" Mr. President? Or have Main Street back on it's feet instead of just bailing out Wall Street? Or have all claims that are being denied to the victims of the Gulf of Mexico disaster (not a spill, it was NOT a kitchen accident, stop making it sound like one) paid in full by bp? Or bushco in jail, because they lied "all" Americans into an illegal war? Or we could have a serious effort at getting off the oil/gas/coal teat and becoming a leader in green technology to be sold around the world, instead of just continuing to subsidize those corporations? Is that what you meant, Mr. President?
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10:49 PM on 06/04/2011
There is nothing stopping us from fighting for a PO again. Main street, do you think he should have let Wall Street collapse? Why do you think every claim is qualified for payment? If the people want to take their claim being denied to the next level there is a process. His words about the Gulf, are your interpretation. Name one President who would have charged the previous President? If there is a crime that was committed leave it to the Hague.
Ask Republicans about "green technology" see how far you get. Google and see what they have planned. Obama can ask Congress to address a lot of things but if they don't want
to they don't.

What part in this scenario do you think Congress and the Senate play. Do you think Obama can just wave a wand and make things happen? Without support you go forward very slowly.
11:37 AM on 06/14/2011
We don't need a PO. The insurance exchanges will take care of everything. Don't fall for progressive propaganda.
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dizmo4
03:27 AM on 06/11/2011
We don't have a public option because of one man,  Max Bacus.

If you understood how the legislative process works, you'd realize that the President has very little power in writing legislation.   Committee chairs hold the bulk of the power and the head of the Senate Finance Committee holds the most power when it comes to Health Care. 

Bacus could have included the public option in his original bill, that would mean that 60 votes would be required to strip it.

Whats' Obama supposed to have done?   Wave some magic wand to get Bacus to do what he wants?
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Mikeeee
conservatism = "low-effort" thinking.
05:03 PM on 06/04/2011
"He was a little testy with the Waxman question. Essentially, Mr. Waxman was urging him to fight more," one legislator said. "The president reminded folks that he's the president sitting in that chair and he knows how to negotiate."
"he knows how to negotiate."
Wheres the evidence for that? Name me one negotiator who gives away things before negotiations even start or repeatedly capitulates on 80% of what you're trying to achieve, or does backroom deals that run counter to the wishes/wants of those he's supposed to be negotiating for, or maybe Obama is not trying to achieve greatness for America?
Obama is better than the conservatives no doubt, but the evidence says "just incrementally".
I still want to know how he looks his children in the eye and justifies what he's done.
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11:45 PM on 06/04/2011
What you see and hear in the media is not exactly what is happening behind the scenes
is it? We, (except you) don't know who is talking to who, when, where, by phone or online...some people enjoy assuming facts that aren't there. Backroom deal, you make it sound like he is breaking the law, both sides have always done it and it will continue.

You also make it sound like Obama wants America to fail, I don't understand how you
have come to that conclusion based on facts. There is only one Party that has chosen
it's Party agenda over you, your family, friends and this Country, Republican.

Tell me what of the following would we have now if Obama had "stood his ground" for no tax cuts for the richest 2% in December?

Tax cuts for the richest for 2 years or would they be 10 years now?

Unemployment Benefits for 1 year or would it be for less or not at all now?

DADT, it would not have passed.

Ratification of the Start Treaty, I doubt it.

Remember what's best for the People and Country first, Party second. Republicans have slowed this recovery down, weakened legislation and prevented others. Obama has about 300 accomplishment within 3 years of his first term, during the worst partisanship ever.

Obama doesn't need to worry about looking his children in their faces, he can justify
everything, you may not like the answer but he has one.
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dizmo4
03:32 AM on 06/11/2011
If you paid attention, Obama repeatedly attacked the GOP for their tax policies. In July, August and September of 2010, Obama told whoever would listen, that the GOP wanted to increase the national debt in order to give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires.  The public was with him with something like 70% supported allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for the top 2%.

But then Harry Reid punted, followed by Pelosi.   Congress refused to vote on the measure so the President was left standing when the music stopped.     After the election, the political landscape had shifted and it was no longer possible to get 100% of what he wanted.    He had to compromise to get 85% of what he wanted.      And if you bothered to read the bill, 85% of the spending went to programs the Democrats wanted---middle class tax cuts, unemployment extension, continuation of various education programs,  payroll tax cut.      But yes, he had to hold his nose and swallow that 15% that went to the top 2%. 

 I say getting 85% of what you want a win.
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pvernier
I think, therefore I'm Liberal
11:39 AM on 06/04/2011
Seems we have a choice. From the GOP, more of the same (no stimulus spending and more tax cuts). From the Dems, more nothing. We are %{}{#'d
02:59 AM on 06/04/2011
I agree with your assessment of the HCR rollout. Obama should of taken ever more of a lead on HCR on the road. Let THM be secondary because it was easier to intimidate a Congressperson with a Healthcare lobby packed audience which gave rise to the T.Party. Then to try that with Obama and victims. Once he is reelected then his excuses become fewer so we can put the pressure especially in the midterms before he becomes a lame duck.
Thank you for an intelligent conversation. Fanned
03:38 AM on 06/04/2011
Thank you. I posted a reply before but it went to top of the page.
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MyNameIsJames
What should a person say in their micro-bio
01:22 AM on 06/04/2011
Obama supporters are so desperate that they have resorted to misrepresenting the reason why Democrats and others voted for him in the first place.

People didn't vote for Obama because
a) He was polite and gracious, and dignified
b) Pragmatic
c) A nice guy with a beautiful family
d) Smart

People voted for Obama because they wanted a reformer who would stand up to Corporatists, Lobbyists and the political establishment -- That is the very reason Obama was using "Change you can BELIEVE In" and the "Fierce Urgency of NOW"

Obama knew what he had tapped into -- and he stoked THAT to get past Clinton.

He didn't get the Democratic nomination because of his personality -- people wanted a person with the tenacity and leadership ability to PUSH THE POPULIST DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM!

This was not about bi-partisan love fest. Dems were angry at what Bush and Republicans had done to the nation. Obama knew this. He nor his supporters cannot now pretend that people misunderstood him. He misrepresented his intentions. If we wanted another Democratic politician Hillary would have done just fine.

Independents thought that they were getting a liberal/ progressive when they voted for him. Not a centrist. So you Obama supporter should stop trying to revise history to defend President Obama's tepid centrist approach. It is just dishonest.
03:20 PM on 06/04/2011
Bravo!
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12:10 AM on 06/05/2011
No Silver Bu*ll*et, Magic Wand or Template for how to recover from a near Great Depression, years in the making, in less than one, two, three or four years, for either Party.

Country and People first, Party second, Campaign promises third. Obama had to adjust when the Republican Party became the Party of "NO". To not understand that is naive.

Would Obama have been able to accomplish more if there hadn't been a near Great Depression or a World Wide Depression, yes. Prior to November 2008, do you think President Bush was giving us all the whole picture? So during Obama's campaign promises were made during a very different climate than what he got in January 2009.

Hopefully people have the common sense to know what the job of a President is, what
he/she has to do even though they don't want to or believe in it. That what they believe and stand for can't always be first and foremost. Every President loses part of his soul the day he/she takes office.
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MyNameIsJames
What should a person say in their micro-bio
12:39 AM on 06/04/2011
Look at all the Obama defenders trying to defend the President against skeptical Democrats. I can guarantee one thing - their talking points and silly lists of accomplishments mean nothing when people want to know about JOBS and MORTGAGES.

You want to defend HAMP be my guest. You want to defend that God-awful anemic Stimulus package that gave money to states and Republican governors with 1/3 of it being tax-cuts? Go for it.

Because that is what door knockers are going to have to explain.

The "Republicans are scary approach" that lots of you frightened Obama supporters like to roll out on Huffington Post -- is worthless- did you see how ineffective that was in 2010. 2 years after Bush -- People voted for Republicans

How about selling his PRAGMATISM to the public- Ha! Ha! Ha! Never before has pragmatism been a virtue among Democrats - however now that Obama cannot sale -"Change you can believe In" I guess pragmatism will have to do.

Why?

1) Who knows what Obama stands for- Tax cuts? Social Security Commissions, Expanded Wars? Is Medicare on the table or off the table? Public option? Is there even a Bully pulpit for Immigration reform - or the Environment - of course there isn't. He is making nice with the Chamber of Commerce instead. Its called licking REPUBLICAN BOOT.

The best way to PUNK Obama defenders is to dare them to use phrases like "Change you can believe In" or "Fierce Urgency of Now" to describe
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Lindstr7
03:34 AM on 06/04/2011
wow. I feel so punked.
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Lost Rights
2008 Dem Convention Denver, Expect this in 2012
08:44 PM on 06/03/2011
He has put more whistle blowers in prison than anyone before him, and says the torture of Bradley Manning, who has not been charged yet, if just fine he was assured by his torturers.
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12:17 AM on 06/05/2011
He has not, DOJ has, do you think Obama dictates the law to Holder and if you think Obama has that kind of control, well, OMG

If he is being tortured, he will be able to prove it and then we will see who is telling the truth.
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whirlybird
Time's a-wastin'!
08:08 AM on 07/29/2011
And you think the administration is completely uninvolved? Really?
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Laws456
Don't believe the Hype
08:43 PM on 06/03/2011
@Shana July I'f I'm an idiot, you a conservative. hahaha
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Lost Rights
2008 Dem Convention Denver, Expect this in 2012
08:40 PM on 06/03/2011
I have rarely seen so many Obama apologists come out. Some even call me a Repug because I don't think Obama is weak.
I don't think anyone is asking him to 'shout'. What I want to see is the President, and the rest of these D's rebut the GOP lies immediately and as much as they say the lies. Obama must think he is above the Frey or something. But his silence, as the article says, and has been the case is that silence is confusing for his supporters.
The worst thing is that he is not perceived as standing for anything, and has only helped the rich and those who destroyed the economy.
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Ldyforce6
Don't Tread on the U.S.A.
08:49 PM on 06/03/2011
Or maybe he thinks that to address the lies is to validate them.

I think he stand for a lot that is good. I think he shows that you don't have to be closed minded or a bully. That you don't just run roughshod over people.

I don't feel like I am apologizing for him. I think that I am standing by someone that has good character, good morals and good leadership qualities. I believe, as I was taught in Sunday School, that the shepard was given a rod, not to beat him with it but rather to gently guide him to where he wants him to be. I like that style.
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Lindstr7
03:37 AM on 06/04/2011
Agree Ldy. People are upset because we're not using a bully pulpit?? They want us to act like republicans all of a sudden? I don't get it. I honestly get embarrassed answering to these obvious sock puppets pretending to be disappointed Obama supporters.
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06:13 PM on 06/03/2011
Nobody is telling him to change course - just say it all LOUDER! I know I can't hear him from where I sit.
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Lost Rights
2008 Dem Convention Denver, Expect this in 2012
08:45 PM on 06/03/2011
Just say it, and more often is what I think, and you probably mean. We cant hear him because he doesn't say he will.