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Court Lifts Prayer Ban At Texas High School Graduation

Texas Prayer Ban High School Graduation

PAUL J. WEBER and LINDA STEWART BALL   06/ 4/11 12:53 AM ET   AP

SAN ANTONIO — Public prayer will be allowed at a Texas high school graduation after a federal appeals court on Friday reversed a ban won by an agnostic family that claimed ceremony traditions such as invocations were unconstitutional.

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals granted an emergency appeal filed by the Medina Valley Independent School District. Its San Antonio-area high school was ordered by a federal judge earlier this week to forbid students from asking audience members to join in prayer or bow their heads during Saturday's graduation.

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Christa and Danny Schultz, who said watching their son receive a diploma this weekend would amount to forced religious participation. The Castroville parents argued that traditions such as invocation and benediction excluded their beliefs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry and various conservative groups, which had rallied to the defense of the school, hailed Friday's ruling by the three-judge panel.

"It should not be illegal for students to say a prayer at a graduation ceremony. Now, the federal court of appeals agrees," said Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, who filed a brief in support of the school.

The Schultzes lawsuit was backed by the Washington-based Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Ayesha Khan, an attorney for the organization, said the group was "deeply" disappointed but would continue with the lawsuit to try to rid the school of promoting religion in its ceremonies.

"Students should be able to attend their graduation ceremonies without being pressured to participate in worship," Khan said. "All children should feel welcome at this important event in their lives regardless of their opinions about religion."

Her organization declined to make the Schultzes available for comment. The family had said their son may not participate in the graduation ceremony if students were allowed to pray.

The school's valedictorian, Angela Hildenbrand, had filed an intervention lawsuit that claimed she was being deprived of her right to pray for her classmates and community during her speech. Upon hearing of the court's decision, she paused for a few seconds and then said she "took the time to thank God."

"We're just so, so thrilled with the court's ruling," said Hildenbrand, who was helped by the conservative Liberty Institute, which supported the school district's appeal. "We could just not be more pleased with how it turned out."

U.S. District Judge Fred Biery's original ruling prohibited students from praying at the graduation. Biery instead suggested that students modify their remarks to be "statements of their own beliefs," allow them to make the sign of the cross, wear a yarmulke or hijab, or kneel to face Mecca.

Biery said the family was likely to succeed on the merits of their claim that public prayer would violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment. The appeals court disagreed, and said the lawsuit may be partly rooted in circumstances that are no longer in the ceremony.

"For example, the school has apparently abandoned including the words `invocation' and `benediction,'" the panel wrote in a brief two-page ruling.

The school district did not immediately comment on the appeal.

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Stewart Ball reported from Dallas.

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larmarch5 12:07 PM on 06/04/2011
I was bothered by school prayers when I was a little kid because I didn't like to have to stand there with my eyes closed, and since I'd seed a dog kill a kitten when I was about six, I was pretty sure there was no "god". I also knew the "churchy" kids behaved as bad or worse than us "heathen" kids. By fourth grade, I think, I quit closing my eyes and saw a lot of kids kept their eyes open too. After that  Read More...
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sorrytobeakansan
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11:48 PM on 06/08/2011
If any of those students kneel toward Mecca during that ceremony, they won't make it back to their cars unhurt. This is without question Christian intimidation. Shameful even for Texas.
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05:38 PM on 06/08/2011
So much for separation of Church and State. Bravo Texas you just took a major step backwards.
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mikevab
I'm a concerned citizen, 23 year vet. US Navy
04:23 PM on 06/08/2011
The problem with fundamentalist Christians is that they believe that they have the God market cornered, and that they must force everyone else to go along with "exactly" what they believe. So of course the constitutional restrictions on school prayer should not apply to them. God belongs to them...
03:56 PM on 06/08/2011
I guess the thing that really bothers me about all this story is that is seems that Christians are becoming more and more aggressive about shoving their beliefs down the rest of the world's throats. Why can't they just keep their religious beliefs to themselves in publicly funded places? Want to prey? Head on over to your chosen place of worship. Want to cause scenes like this? Shove your self-righteous attitudes about whose god is better down our throats! I don't shove my gay life down your throat...
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05:40 PM on 06/08/2011
Proselytizing is engrained in their religion. Shoving down everyone's throat, even against their will and pain of death has been a long lived Christian tradition... Spanish Inquisitons et al.
12:03 AM on 06/08/2011
It's Texas...Home of the "morally superior" fundamentalists and evangelicals that want to give their version of a gawd suppository to EVERYONE whether they want it or not!
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ArjenBoatsma
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08:48 AM on 06/07/2011
I wonder how all these fine xtian texans would feel if a muslim young men or women got up, asked everyone to bow in the direction of Mecca and join in a prayer to allah. My guess is that it would be banned faster than you can say "separation of church and state".
06:32 PM on 06/07/2011
The Valdictorian is praying for her fellow students. It is highly unlikely that she will ask her fellow students, to bow, kneel or fold their hands. Sadly, today, people are so easily offended. Where's the tolerance that everyone, espeically liberals insist on? Are people that offended by a broad blessing? Perhaps you believe students walking down a school hall should be marched off to court if they say "God Bless you" to someone who sneezes? If a Muslim student were valdictorian, it is also highly unlikely that they would ask everyone to bow towards Mecca, that's sterotyping, friend and very ignorant. He would be smart enough to know that not everyone is Muslim. With that said, I find it highly unlikely that most people would be offended if the Muslim student said "I pray that Allah give blessings upon this class." Everyone is jumping to conclusions here. School boards today are so leery of a lawsuit that they wouldn't even let people say the word "God" during a ceremony. It could simply be "Thank God for...." and everyone seems to go insane. Rather than getting hysterical, everyone should simply wait until after the ceremony. See what the Valdictorian says. Then, if she oversteps her boundaries, either reprimand her then, or file lawsuits that she infrindged on their rights to have a "blessing-free" "religious-free" ceremony.
10:01 PM on 06/07/2011
I have to be honest; I'm not sure how this touchy feely view of non-Christians got started. At the grocery store, when they check me out and smile and say "Merry Christmas" I don't get upset, I smile and wish them the same. Saying God Bless at graduation doesn't bother me; neither do Easter egg hunts, public displays of prayer, or colloquial phrases. What did bother me was going to my High School graduation and being asked to bow my head for a prayer which included phrases like "Jesus Christ our one savior," and asking me to pray for things I don't believe in to a God I don't believe in. It was beyond uncomfterable for me. I looked up and caught the eye of a few of my friends who are atheist, agnostic, or just not Christian and I could see them shifting uncomfterably in their seats. It was supposed to be a day for us as well as a day for my Christian friends, and I just didn't feel like it was. If a parent or whoever, wants to lead a prayer huddle or group back behind the stage for anyone who wants to come over and share that with them, I think that would be great! It would be very special for those students, but I shouldn't have to participate.
10:28 AM on 06/09/2011
Yes. I am offended by a blessing. I do not want to be smeared or anointed with sacrificial blood in the name of a god I don't believe in.
06:58 PM on 06/08/2011
Walk down a public school hallway and hear students using all sorts of profanity without caring one iota who hears them. Listen to them merciless verbally insulting each other, calling each other all sorts of obscene names. If one of them initiates a prayer at a ceremony, then I say right on. If students don't want to hear it or don't want to pray, they can do what they in school anyway. . . they can ignore it and keep talking . . . like they do anyway, during the pledge to the US flag, and during the quiet time. Or when the teacher is trying to instruct them.
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10:39 PM on 06/06/2011
@nononsense4u.
Again, we as taxpayer should not be subsidizing any religion. And you know perfectly well what I mean when I say "giving privately", no need for bullhorn,keep it private, as opposed to us taxpayers doing it.
Screws have been tightened a couple weeks ago, and everything is working fine.
12:10 AM on 06/08/2011
Religion - NOT spirituality - is a crutch for the weak minded, fearful and the delusional.

The bible and all "sacred scriptures" for that matter are fairy tales and myths that despite hard proof and undeniable facts to the contrary those with no courage of their own cling too - just like their guns and so called "moral superiority"...
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writerjohnny
09:20 PM on 06/06/2011
When we were kids we would ride by the churh across the street from my house on our bikes Sunday mornings and scream, "Pray for the dead and the dead will pray for you" to the tune of some pirate song I am sure. It was a lot of fun. I'm just sayin'.
08:10 PM on 06/06/2011
My Prayer for the students forced to listen to this:

"Don't waste a moment of your time and more importantly, my time, praying for me. It's not going to do a damn thing. Give me my diploma so I can get as far from this conformist factory a possible."
07:03 PM on 06/07/2011
And did you, at any stage of your school education, ever think to ask your parents to put you in another school that was more to your liking???
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mikevab
I'm a concerned citizen, 23 year vet. US Navy
03:47 PM on 06/08/2011
What??? It's a public school, that means it's for the PUBLIC, everyone. No one should be forced to participate in religious rituals or in a school shouldn't even have to be exposed to them.
06:25 PM on 06/06/2011
Public officials and their representatives (i.e. the student asked by the school to make a speech) have no reason to sanction and lead prayer in settings that are under the jurisdiction of the government and funded by taxpayers. I'm certain that Christians are perfectly capable of praying silently to themselves should they have a burning desire to do so during a graduation ceremony. Calling for prayer in non-religious situations (thus selfishly imposing this desire upon the rest of the crowd of people who have varying and unspecified beliefs) is completely unnecessary and is nothing more that an arrogant and sanctimonious display of self-righteousness.

Of course, those who have read the bible are already well aware that Jesus spoke against with these ostentatious public displays of prayer...

"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret..." (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV)

So not only is it arguably against the constitution, but it's also against the bible and Jesus' teachings. So what is the issue then?
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QuintinJordon
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10:13 AM on 06/07/2011
I have used that scripture for years, and I was told I am misinterpreting the bible. I would ask how so, and I would never be given an answer.

Then again, I was told being an atheist, I had the proverbial "axe" to grind. Once again, I would draw attention to the scripture. I do not see any claims about being an atheist would hinder my ability to read and reason.
02:14 PM on 06/07/2011
Jesus is not condemning public prayer. He is speaking specifically about those who give the appearance of good works and good hearts but do so because they want people to observe their good actions and to praise them for it. Jesus encouraged people to gather in His name, and said that if they did, He would be in their midst. Matthew 18:18-19. There is also the example of the apostles praying together in Acts 4:23-30. Finally, Jesus Himself prayed aloud to God when He raised Lazarus from the dead. John 11:41-42.

God bless.
07:32 PM on 06/07/2011
Of course they say you are misinterpreting the the bible. After all, they can't let you be right, because that would mean they're wrong about their own book and way of living all this time. But if you ask me, insisting upon praying aloud after others have spoken against it just highlights their desire to get praise and attention from others so everyone can observe how holy and "good" they are. I am fairly certain that this is exactly the sort of situation Jesus was denouncing in that passage, and I would think that REAL holy and good people would humbly bow out of their plan to pray aloud, and either move it elsewhere or pray silently in their heads during the event. If God really hears all prayers, that includes the ones that aren't screamed out in crowds of people.
07:16 PM on 06/07/2011
The US' Constitution provides for "freedom of religion" and NOT "freedom from religion".. No one religion can be favored as in the example of being a state religion. The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals made a correct decision. The valedictorian can ask people to participate but there is no coercion to do so. Likewise, when I am in a foreign country and the national anthem is called for, it is not a problem for me. I will politely stand with the others but remain silent through the singing. Anti-religious people in the USA seem to want no mention of religion even uttered. That is more a sign of intolerance based on political correctness rather than sympathy for the non-religious.
07:37 PM on 06/07/2011
Horrah! There are really people with intellect on this board afterall!! Thanks for cutting through the muck and mud!
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QuintinJordon
The only constant in the universe - Change
07:52 PM on 06/07/2011
How is that mosque at ground zero doing? Freedom of which religion?
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Mr Ruthless
I can smell your BS
04:52 PM on 06/06/2011
Promoting your personal religion at a non-religious event is tacky, inappropriate, and very disrespectful.
06:12 PM on 06/07/2011
Tacky and inappropriate, perhaps. But not everyone feels that way and it is hardly reason enough to keep her from speaking. Those are your opinions expressed and you have a right to say them, but you can't say she doesn't have a right simply because you believe it is tacky and inappropriate. That infringes on her right to speech. As far as the law is concerned, (and that's the issue here) she, like the rest of us has the right to speak freely. Agree with it or not, that's the reason why the court overturned the ruling.
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09:22 AM on 06/06/2011
Drummond's Bar began construction on an expansion of their building to increase their business.

In response, the local Baptist Church started a campaign to block the bar from expanding with petitions and prayers. Work progressed right up until the week before the grand reopening when lightning struck the bar and it burned to the ground!

After the bar burned to the ground by the lightning strike, the church folks were rather smug in their outlook, bragging about "the power of prayer," until the bar owner sued the church on the grounds that the church ... "was ultimately responsible for the demise of his building, either through direct or indirect actions or means."

In its reply to the court, the church vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection to the building's demise.

The judge read through the plaintiff's complaint and the defendant's reply, and at the opening hearing he commented, "I don't know how I'm going to decide this, but it appears from the paperwork that we have a bar owner who believes in the power of prayer, and an entire church congregation that now does not."
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wbthacker
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11:24 AM on 06/07/2011
This is a nice story, but it's not a true incident. Googling "Drummond's Bar" will get you to the Snopes page for this. Some versions claim the bar is in Mount Vernon, TX, others say "a small midwestern town," some version don't name the bar. These are the usual hallmarks of urban legends.

Snopes says the story was meant as a parable for churchgoers, a warning to think about what you pray for (Do you really want God to smite someone? Do you accept responsibility for the results?) and that your profession of faith shouldn't change if there's a cost.
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Beckel411
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12:50 PM on 06/07/2011
You're absolutely correct and I've added the disclaimer.

Thanks for responding.
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Beckel411
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12:49 PM on 06/07/2011
Several of my postings have had lines missing lately and here's another.

The disclaimer: This story is not true but it certainly gives food for thought.

For people who think and for those who want to.
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Mikdow
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12:04 PM on 06/08/2011
I've had the same problem. Partial posts and missing posts. One of my posts left out my entire comment and posted a blank space. What's up with this?
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bbriani3842
400+ yrs of science & STILL no evidence for a god
08:27 AM on 06/06/2011
If Angela Hildenbran­­d wants to exercise her freedom of speech, she needs to do it in a "Free Speech Zone" ....
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bbriani3842
400+ yrs of science & STILL no evidence for a god
08:01 AM on 06/06/2011
I didn't know Angela Hildenbran­d was considered a corporation ... wow, good for her.
04:10 AM on 06/06/2011
Ridiculous, the state cannot force one religion over another – it is unconstitutional. How can you say “a statement of your own beliefs” when rationalists have NO belief in a celestial sugar daddy (or daddies)? Should they also sit there and make a statement of how they don’t believe in other things like unicorns?

When will the madness end?!?
08:50 AM on 06/06/2011
If they want to talk about unicorns, they can. Their right is protected. Apart fro the religious aspect of this topic, don't people say outlandish things all the time? The Constitution doesn't protect us from things that are said inappropriately nor does it protect us from never being offended by what one says. But they have a right to say it nevertheless. What happened to the right to the free exercise thereof of one's religion? Show where in the Constitution or the Amendment it says that the free exercise thereof specifically excludes government and state run facilities. Consider before you answer that prayers are still said before both houses (Senate and Congress) everyday. Not just by Christians, but Hindus and Muslims as well.
10:11 AM on 06/06/2011
Certainly as they can talk about their imaginative omnipotent friend called Yahweh or Allah, but what they cannot do on is have the government endorse any religion and this why this is a first amendment issue. A public school should not be endorsing any prayer at all.

Yes, I'm aware of the issue - the Supreme court ruled in 1983 that it wasn't against the establishment clause because it was merely a reflection of the majority of people's belief, but they are clearly wrong. The constitution's intent was about protecting individual freedoms from the tyranny of the majority.

People can bow their heads and think of Satan for all I care, but the government cannot endorse any religion.

The funniest aspect of this is the Christian right all claim the right to say prayers, but as soon as a Muslim claims the same "right" the same religious right scream bloody murder "Weeze be us'en a Christian nation and we don't need none of 'em over here". Before you answer think of the Mosque in Manhattan or read this article:

http://atheism.about.com/b/2007/07/13/christian-right-objecting-to-hindu-prayers-in-senate.htm

It lays bare the destructive lie that this is acceptable behavior.
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UnderTheHedgeWeGo
Show me some evidence.
08:04 PM on 06/06/2011
"Consider before you answer that prayers are still said before both houses (Senate and Congress) everyday. "

This is as true as it is inappropriate. Time and again the Christian majority steam role dissenters who try to rectify this issue. The majority, for religious and political reasons, ignore the rights of the majority and continue his unfortunate practice. In Hawaii, a state in which Christians are not the majority, this affront to our Constitution was recently stopped.