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Debt Ceiling Fight Could Strain Economy Even Before August, With Moody's Downgrade Possible


First Posted: 06/03/11 01:50 PM ET Updated: 08/03/11 06:12 AM ET

NEW YORK -- As politicians fight over the federal debt ceiling, Americans could start feeling the consequences of Congressional gridlock even before that limit is hit.

Moody's Investors Service warned on Thursday that if lawmakers have not made progress in negotiations to raise the debt limit by mid-July, the ratings agency plans to reassess the nation's sterling credit rating for a possible downgrade. The warning, coming after Standard & Poor's lowered its outlook on U.S. debt to "negative" in April, underscores that the current political stalemate in Washington has already begun to dampen the nation's economic prospects.

A downgrade from Moody's on U.S. debt, or even the imminent threat of one, could itself begin to choke the economic processes that still have not fully recovered from the Great Recession. It would imply that a credit default is possible, likely causing yields on Treasury debt to rise and pushing up interest rates across the board.

"It would be an earth-shattering event," said Scott Anderson, senior economist at Wells Fargo. "It's taken as a given that U.S. Treasuries are a safe asset. Once you question that assumption, it shakes the foundations of global finance, and the way it's been established over the last 50 years."

Federal lawmakers have been locked in a debate over raising the nation's legal borrowing limit, as the vote to allow the government to fund its existing obligations has been tied to a more controversial legislative agenda. Congressional Republicans insist they will not vote to raise the limit without also achieving measures to reduce the federal deficit, while economic officials in the Obama administration warn that procrastination on the debt ceiling vote could have disastrous consequences.

The country could be forced to default if the limit is not raised by August 2, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said in a letter to Congress last month.

But the economic pain could begin before that date. The risk of a default by the U.S. government has risen, Moody's Investors Service said in a note posted to its website. Moody's incorporates these considerations into its credit ratings, which are treated by many investors as authoritative assessments of credit quality. Investors use these ratings in their decisions to buy or sell a security.

The country will keep its top rating if the government does not default, Moody's said. But if the agency determines there isn't significant progress on a deal by mid-July, it will initiate the process that could lead to a downgrade, the agency said in the release.

"Although Moody's fully expected political wrangling prior to an increase in the statutory debt limit, the degree of entrenchment into conflicting positions has exceeded expectations," the note reads. "The heightened polarization over the debt limit has increased the odds of a short-lived default."

Moody's added that its long-term assessment would also depend on lawmakers' hammering out a plan to reduce the federal deficit. S&P sounded a similar note in April, saying it could downgrade U.S. credit if lawmakers don't settle on a plan to reduce the deficit and debt by 2013.

Investor confidence in Treasury debt began to show cracks on Thursday. Yields on U.S. debt have been low for the past several months even as politicians fight over the debt limit, suggesting that investors believe the government will not ultimately default. But yields edged up on Thursday as the value of the debt fell.

The 10-year Treasury note was yielding nearly 3.03 percent on Thursday, after closing on Wednesday at 2.95 percent. Rising interest rates suggest investors perceive the debt as risky, demanding higher payment in compensation for this lack of safety.

As congressional negotiations drag on, this trend in bond markets could continue, said Anderson, the Wells Fargo economist. Higher Treasury rates would make borrowing more expensive for businesses and individual Americans. Especially in light of Friday's dismal jobs report, any further economic strain should be avoided, Anderson said.

"The markets would start pricing in the possibility of default even before the drop-dead deadline," he said. "We can't deal with another shock."

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NEW YORK -- As politicians fight over the federal debt ceiling, Americans could start feeling the consequences of Congressional gridlock even before that limit is hit. Moody's Investors Service war...
NEW YORK -- As politicians fight over the federal debt ceiling, Americans could start feeling the consequences of Congressional gridlock even before that limit is hit. Moody's Investors Service war...
NEW YORK -- As politicians fight over the federal debt ceiling, Americans could start feeling the consequences of Congressional gridlock even before that limit is hit. Moody's Investors Service war...
NEW YORK -- As politicians fight over the federal debt ceiling, Americans could start feeling the consequences of Congressional gridlock even before that limit is hit. Moody's Investors Service war...
 
 
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12:57 PM on 06/06/2011
Somebody 'splain this to me. A husband and wife are basically have a knock down drag-out over spending and debt. The wife is screaming "stop spending! stop spending! stop spending!" The husband is basically saying, "it's my money and I'll spend it on whatever I want!" To which the wife has replied, "If you don't go on a budget, I'm cutting up all our credit cards!!!"

Now, for the last fifteen years the mortgage banker, car financer, and rent a center manager has been watching this happily married couple go shopping week after week, and they all know this couple is so deep in debt they can almost never get out. And they also know that at the current rate, 10 or 15 years down the road this couple won't even be able to service their debt.

But now, because one half of the couple has put its foot down and said, "less spending", the creditors suddenly see a threat. Really? How is this?
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Phil Waste
Angry Middle Class American Citizen
02:15 PM on 06/06/2011
It is because the one who has done all the spending in the past and run up the debt is now the one who is crying stop spending but refuses to go out and raise more money to pay the debt he created. Raise taxes on the rich, empty the prisons, legalize pot, tax it. stop the wars...

You know you just have to stop listening the those who are insane and trying to ruin the Middle Class so they can make even more money.....
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Agatha Nancy Baker Kerry
06:25 PM on 06/13/2011
This is belated in answering your comments on 6/6/2011 02.15 PM
There are plenty of hard working people with a salary over $250,000 who are paying 36% of their income in taxes with no loopholes.
Higher income people don't get all the lower income tax credits either. Maybe, they should help the economy and not get any tax breaks and pay their fair share.
Why should lower income people be exempted by the government for being lazy or uneducated? Does that help the country? Can America strive on stupidity and laziness?
I am just using this example, in opposition, to your " tax the rich" because 'Greed' goes both ways. Just because someone is poorer, doesn't mean he is not, just as greedy, as a wealthy person, about keeping his own money.

The real problem is not the "people" but the government. The unfair policies, the unfair tax codes, the corruption in Washington.
Obama's playing the middle class through low class mind games called 'class warfare by encouraging hatred towards others who have more money.
I have worked in a office where the boss played similar war games with his subordinates. He would spread 'untruths' among the subordinates for the purpose of making them suspicion of each other. In this way, he appears a leader among childish feuding children. It's a sick mind that plays these games with his people, but it does exist.
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Muhtadi
04:24 AM on 07/06/2011
oh Phil... doesn't it make it so much easier to STEAL from someone after you have rationalized your theft? Really, any one more productive than you should be punishsed.?? the income earners are NOT the paris hiltons of the world.. they are your dentists and doctors that work more than YOU do ever week... yet they somehow deserve less...because they work harder and complain less...

BUJSH spent too much... so does that mean obama has no credit limit? really??

They all spend too much and yes, legaliZe it... what a joke,... thats what you get though when you allow the Fed to take control of your state...Government is not your friend Phil... how have they convinced you otherwise?
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Phil Waste
Angry Middle Class American Citizen
12:51 PM on 06/05/2011
Like the Republicans and Tea Party'ers I too am concerned about our countries debt. The quickist solution in not to cut monies going to those who are suffering from cutbacks but to raise taxes to pay off the debt. I don't think it is feasable to raise taxes on people who are out of works so I think the only answer is to raise taxes on those who are making money and even more fair would be to raise taxes on those who are making a lot of money. So, to fight our high national debt we need to raise taxes on the rich and raise them a lot. I don't propose making them poor like the American worker who has lost everything but how about raising taxes to about 85% over an income of a million dollars. Now if they need more than one million dollars a year plus 15% to live on they are spending far to much and like the rest of us they need to cut back. Yes, I believe this is the answer in the short term is to raise taxes right now on the rich......
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lulubelle1956
09:31 AM on 06/05/2011
The debt limit was increased in every year of GWB's reign, including twice in 2008, without such antics. So, we are still waiting for the GOP/TP to lift the debt ceiling as is required so as not to hurt this country more than they already did from 2000-2008.

Still waiting for the GOP/TP who campaigned in 2010 to create a revenue stream to pay down the debt and offset deficits (which is required) by removing Bush tax cuts for the top 1-3% and corporations. Now, even Reaganites are calling the GOP/TP "liars" about the corporate tax structure. Can't pay down those deficits without a revenue stream.

Still waiting for the GOP/TP to create all those jobs creation bills they promised in 2010--so far they have not proposed one. The President already proposed jobs for infrastructure and building a national energy grid, not one proposal from the GOP/TP which, naturally said "no" to the president.

Still waiting for the GOP/TP to send disaster relief to tornado affected states.

Still waiting for the GOP/TP to do anything to fill in the enormous economic ditch they left in 2008. . . .

Top Reagan Advisor Calls Out The GOP For Lying About Taxes - Rick ...
May 31, 2011 ... Let's not require the wealthy and corporations to pay their ...
blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/.../top-reagan-advisor-calls-out-the-gop-for-lying-to-america-about-taxes/ - Cached
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spinns17
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guveqzero
Inventor and Innovator
05:02 AM on 06/05/2011
PR for the bankers. The US doesn't need to borrow a cent. All it needs to do is print the money. Then, there will be no fear driven messages like what we are hearing daily.
10:48 PM on 06/04/2011
Let it happen. Maybe when the next recession moves up the affluence ladder (since the lower scales have already been decimated by this recession already) then we will see people take to the streets. Still too many people able to buy new homes in one of the zillions of new subdivisions going up here in AZ. Still too many people who did not feel the pain of the first Republican created recession. Let the default or the downgrade create the second great republican recession, then let's clobber them with that in 2012 the way we did in 2008.
04:10 PM on 06/04/2011
It is time for members of congress to take a pay cut, cancel their government health care and give up their government pensions. Once they do that they will have a better idea what average Americans have to deal with today. Lower wages, unaffordable health care and no pension.
These people rail against the government but want all the benefits and tax breaks.
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Core-Sample
Not on the rug, man....
04:06 PM on 06/04/2011
It's time for a flip flop of power. All corPirates and milly billionares are now banished to dig in the fields wearing rags. All other humans are now in charge.
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Core-Sample
Not on the rug, man....
04:05 PM on 06/04/2011
Just another opportunity for GoldmanSachs and other corPirate vampires to make billions more off the bleeding peasants.
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2tango
Liberte Fraternite et Egalite
03:49 PM on 06/04/2011
The country is already in a 50% default since the last 2 years, and the government is extending and pretending by having the Federal Reserve printing devalued money.
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Not on the rug, man....
04:07 PM on 06/04/2011
Since the last 2 years? lololololol......oh, so cherry picked.
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03:41 PM on 06/04/2011
wow! thanks to Bush, a default is very possible!
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03:18 PM on 06/04/2011
We could just pay Moody like other corporations for the Top rating and not worry about it.
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guveqzero
Inventor and Innovator
02:43 PM on 06/04/2011
Bankers, don't believe a word from them. Bankrupt them, and then start over. Slavery, it's against the law.
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Not on the rug, man....
04:05 PM on 06/04/2011
Like the NCAA?
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joebhed
Greenback Revolutionist
02:20 PM on 06/04/2011
On the Liquidation of Government Debt
under A Debt-Free Money System
– Modeling the American Monetary Act –

Kaoru Yamaguchi ∗
Doshisha Business School
Doshisha University
Kyoto 602-8580, Japan
E-mail: kaoyamag@mail.doshisha.ac.jp

http://www.monetary.org/yamaguchipaper.pdf

Congressman Dennis Kucinich’s Bill H.R. 6550

http://www.economicstability.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/NEED_ACT-12.20101.pdf

THE SOLUTION -
IT’S ALREADY BEEN DONE
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CanadjunBeef
Remember Jesus, the radical liberal
01:24 PM on 06/04/2011
I've been buying Euros, which by the way shot up five cents in value just Thursday and Friday after creeping up for a couple of weeks. So, yes, international tremors are starting. Obviously, a wise government would FIRST raise the debt ceiling and THEN lower the deficit through a combination of thoughtful measures that should include ending the Bush tax cuts. To me, the Republican strategy is actually aimed at courting disaster, exploiting fear and panic, in order to push through a permanent destruction of what's left of the safety net.