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House Rebukes Obama Administration On Libya Intervention

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First Posted: 06/03/11 02:49 PM ET Updated: 08/03/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The House rebuked President Obama's decision to intervene in Libya in March without consent from Congress, voting on Friday to demand the White House provide a specific justification of the national security importance of military action in Libya.

The U.S. entered Libya in mid-March and is now engaged in a NATO mission to oust dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

Just after approving a resolution drafted by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) in a 268-145 vote, the House voted down a more drastic resolution that would have demanded a withdrawal from Libya within 15 days. That bill, written by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), failed in a 148 to 265 vote, garnering 87 votes from Republicans and 61 from Democrats -- a surprising tally for a measure from one of the most liberal Democrats in Congress.

As the House of Representatives debated the two resolutions, each party splintered over support for its leadership. Democrats divided into Kucinich supporters and defenders of Obama, who said the administration was right to intervene in Libya.

While 223 Republicans voted in support of Boehner's resolution, others said the bill was too weak and did not offer a sufficiently strong condemnation of Obama's actions.

The Boehner resolution, unlike Kucinich's, includes no specific demands for the administration's military decisions, instead focusing on admonishing the president for failing to ask Congress before intervening in a foreign country. But the measure does not say that Obama's actions were in violation of the 1973 War Powers Resolution, which states that Congress must authorize the use of force, as Kucinich's does.

Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) called Boehner's bill a "puzzling, confusing, mystifying signal" for failing to clearly demand that the president follow the War Powers Resolution.

"The greater threat today, in my view, is the perpetual acquiescence of this body in situations such as we face today in Libya, where we tolerate the use of force when the threat to our national security is less obvious," he said on the House floor.

Flake, along with 86 other Republicans, voted in favor of the Kucinich resolution.

"Since we went in abruptly and illegally, we need to abruptly leave," said Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), who also supported the Kucinich measure.

Democrats accused Boehner of attempting to play to both sides with his resolution, by allowing his members to vote against the president without actually demanding changes to U.S. policy in Libya.

"Either we should authorize this involvement or terminate it," Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) said on the floor. "The majority seems to be raising a fuss while winking at the White House."

It would be better, some Democrats said, to approve the Kucinich resolution, because such a move would re-assert that it is Congress that possesses the power to authorize the nation to go to war. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said he would have voted against intervening in Libya had the president come to Congress for approval.

"Yes, [Gaddafi] is a thug that ought to be removed," he said on the floor. "But it cannot be that America is the 911 call for the world and we are the ones who have to respond everywhere, every time."

Boehner, meanwhile, defended his decision to push for a weaker resolution on Libya, arguing that the Kucinich resolution would force a too-swift withdrawal that could harm American interests.

"It mandates a precipitous withdrawal from our role," he said on the floor. "In my opinion, that would undermine our troops and our allies."

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WASHINGTON -- The House rebuked President Obama's decision to intervene in Libya in March without consent from Congress, voting on Friday to demand the White House provide a specific justification of ...
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FACTISFACT
A war veteran. Finally retired
10:02 AM on 06/06/2011
Why would not the comgress do mockery with good things this President do for the country as his every work will make every hard for the Republicans to F**ck the country next time as so easily Bush and his criminal party did. Why does not the congress put Bush on trial for taking the country to war on lies in violation of the constitution and International law.
11:15 PM on 06/05/2011
The real reason we are there is Gadaffi wanred payment in gold as the dollar is falling so fast. Check out RT News.
11:50 AM on 06/05/2011
There are two "schools" of bloggers: One claiming US imperialism is striving for total control of the Arab word and the other taking issue with a "wimp" president relinquishing control of the Middle East and North Africa - with both opinions converging here to unleash their vitriol.
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
12:44 PM on 06/05/2011
My beef is with Its Personhood; not Obama or our form of government. I think Obama was given an almost impossible plate of whipped conundrums to unravel and republicans want to keep it that way for better control by Its Personhood.

Apart from totalitarian states, the biggest fight for people securing their freedom, will in the end, be against-- Its Personhood.
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vuduvampirninjawitch
Scary yes, but I got you covered
08:48 AM on 06/06/2011
You would think that as educated and smart as obama is said to, he would have seen all this coming when he was running and making statements about how he had all the answers. Now that the spotlight is on and the time to put up has come, all anyone is seeing is blame and finger pointing with little real solutions. From either side, I might add. I didn't care much for bush, or what he did during his term. But, I can't get behind anything obama is throwing out. It just looks like more of the same bad policies and far out claims to me.
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
06:58 PM on 06/05/2011
Don't forget the 3rd school of thought -- the chickenhawk school
10:07 AM on 06/05/2011
Is anyone rebuking the house? This is what was happening prior to the onset of the implementation campaign:
... on March 21, Benghazi’s people had their first taste of failure. A convoy of Qaddafi’s tanks was moving north along the coastal road toward Benghazi’s university, sounding the call for a pre-positioned fifth column of Qaddafi supporters to act. Pro-Qaddafi paramilitaries and revolutionary committee members emerged from hiding and opened fire on people in the streets, creating mayhem.

The first civilian casualty was a thirty-one-year-old cartoonist, Qais al-Hilal, shot in the neck after finishing one of his trademark Abu Shafshufas, fuzzy-wuzzy caricatures of Qaddafi.

Nicolas Pelham in the New York Review of Books
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
09:25 PM on 06/04/2011
Necessary illusions are given to the masses with the use of emotionally potent simplifications in order to keep the populace on course.
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
10:06 PM on 06/04/2011
Language itself is made up. Words added others fade away. Do we ever see what we cannot name? But then consensus is the point. We pull together or we pull apart.

Yes that sometimes ignores the road less traveled. And what-if's.

We'd be so much further along as a civilization if we did not waste our energies on greed and war.

But then how would/could/should republicans fit in?
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10:11 PM on 06/04/2011
Fine bit of gibberish you have there. Your efforts to whip up indignation where none is justified.
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
10:17 PM on 06/04/2011
our rulers' (Congress and Executive) governance according to the rules of Empire, rather than this Republic's Constitution is legitimate grounds for indignation.

I'm also indignant regarding chickhawks.
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katydid579
AMERICA has spoken! Four more years!!
06:30 PM on 06/04/2011
So, where's Waldo and the Magical Mystery Tour today? Did they get lost on the way to New Hampshire?
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07:12 PM on 06/04/2011
She'll pop out her botoxed head when Romney next says something. Her mystery family vacation is to discredit him, while having fun with the family, tax free.
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05:15 PM on 06/04/2011
1776 has really got one in his teeth blathering about the draft and various people's level of interest in "dying" for the liberty of Libya.

Which is odd, seeing as the US has no troops on the ground and no plans to put troops on the ground. (OK, there MAY be some forward air fire spotters, but that is not proven).

And apparently it is the Admin's intentions to not put any troops on the ground. (Or infantry, if you insist).

So why would any of us be even concerned about such an abstract question?

There is a question of sending manned craft to Mars. Technically, it could be done. But it would almost certainly be a suicide mission. It is commonly understood among the NASA community that there would be twenty volunteers for every seat on the ship.

Cont:
05:24 PM on 06/04/2011
*cough* - these "spotters" were spotted on camera and made a hurried getaway when spotted. I`m fine with them - spotting targets can be essential for avoiding civilian casualties. They are believed to be former British SAS people. One must give the UK and France give credit for taking risks.
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05:45 PM on 06/04/2011
1776 has a very vague reference that there are US spotters in country as well.

Not at all reliable, but enough to deserve some recognition.

But I certainly agree, we should not be bothered to have them there.
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05:15 PM on 06/04/2011
Cont:

It is not difficult to find a few people who just desperately want to be involved in such things, despite the risk, or even certainly of death.

We are flying a few missions over Libya, and we have so suppressed their air defenses (not that it was tough) that the pilots flying these missions have a greater risk of cracking their skulls against the canopy of their jets climbing out, and dying from a brain hemorrhage, than they have in getting greased over Tripoli.

BTW. my father jumped for his life out of a bomber that the Germans had blasted to bits. I know a little of this.

And if we do have a dozen SecOps on the ground (and I concede nothing) these guys are even more gung ho boo-ya than the fighter jocks, if that is possible.

1776 seems to see this as the moral equivalent of the Vietnam war, where hundreds of thousands of pimply young men were snatched from their youth well before time, poorly trained, inadequately lead, and dumped into a really nasty bit of jungle warfare.

This really is a case of apples and oranges.
05:48 PM on 06/04/2011
The way I understand it, our CIC has put our military personnel and equipment under the control of NATO. At least that's how the newspapers report it. If that is in fact the case, we all should have a problem with that decision made by President Obama.
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06:16 PM on 06/04/2011
Yeah, 'cause the Brits and the French are so looking to hurt us.

Yawn. We have been in NATO from day one, and American resources have been commanded by NATO in all sorts of situations. Lots and lots of them.
06:30 PM on 06/04/2011
The point was NOT assuming command and control for the duration of the campaign. Your President set clear limits for US commitment - and understandably so. The onus clearly is on Europe and the consistent message was "we help but we don`t lead". Hence you get this stodgy Nato Secretary General giving his boring briefings, which is all very fine. This is an implementation effort - not some gung ho mission.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
03:30 PM on 06/04/2011
It's funny how the Goopers who voted to invade Iraq signed on to this with no sense of shame or irony.
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05:18 PM on 06/04/2011
Reactionaries do not do irony.

When last did you hear of a funny conservative?
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garylinn
Disabled USAF Veteran (God bless America)
09:12 PM on 06/04/2011
I am a conservative and I am darn funny! :-)
05:34 PM on 06/04/2011
Duh, Iraq was discussed in congress and approval given for the invasion. There was also UN approval. Many top Democrats also voted for the invasion. The faulty intelligence issue is still under debate. Obama did not comply with the law plain and simple.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
05:42 PM on 06/04/2011
LOL... so you think the POTUS lying to Congress was legal? Funny!
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katydid579
AMERICA has spoken! Four more years!!
06:06 PM on 06/04/2011
The permission was not to invade Iraq. Democrats agreed because it would look bad to not look for WMD. And, the UN most assuredly DID NOT give permission to invade Iraq. Sorry, you did not win any of our fabulous prizes today, but thank you for playing.
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
03:20 PM on 06/04/2011
Apparantly a lack of a draft makes today's war cheerleaders make easy decisions.

No one could even answer my simple questions below.

chickhawks II
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garylinn
Disabled USAF Veteran (God bless America)
03:24 PM on 06/04/2011
Just got here: what is the big question of the day?
03:28 PM on 06/04/2011
... whether a crazed tyrant should prevail
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
03:29 PM on 06/04/2011
Would you be willing to d i e in combat in Libya for the stated and unstated reasons our rulers gave?
03:25 PM on 06/04/2011
No one could even answer my simple questions below.
simplistic being the more felicitous choice of word
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
03:28 PM on 06/04/2011
Your the first I asked yesterday, but like most chickenhawks, never answer.
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garylinn
Disabled USAF Veteran (God bless America)
03:14 PM on 06/04/2011
I vote for NO MORE WARS...NO MORE! We need to pull out of all three and bring our kids home before anymore die. (a peacful vet)
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
08:33 PM on 06/04/2011
That would be nice indeed.

Although I wouldn't necessarily call Libya's no fly zone a war. Not yet anyway. Hopefully it ends before it gets that far.

Bush lied to the UN, lied to the USA, violated the congressional conditions for going into Iraq, no UN approval, even outed a CIA operative, amassed hundreds of thousands of our troops, pulled out the WMD inspectors, introduced no bid contract profiteers, lawless mercs, tortured, etc. Whilst cutting taxes for the richest. Talk about a mess.

If/when Obama fixes that, WOW!
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vuduvampirninjawitch
Scary yes, but I got you covered
08:28 AM on 06/06/2011
So, how does bush lying and doing what he wants during his term make it ok for obama to lie and do what he wants during his? We have had the three worst presidents in history, right in a row. You have to admit, none of us would be here on this site if obama had delivered on anything he said he would. But, so far its just been mostly talk and a lot of bad decisions.
02:46 PM on 06/04/2011
I don`t like the gun-point style questioning whether bloggers here were prepared to put their lives on the line for the Freedom Fighters in Libya. By the same token, they would have to answer whether they were prepared to subject themselves to a regime spawned by a crazy loathsome tyrant.
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
03:22 PM on 06/04/2011
not a relevant question. And since you were the first I asked this question, and never got a straight answer, I posed the same question to the board. And like you, all the chickhawks dance around the pin of a needle and don't answer yes or no.
03:27 PM on 06/04/2011
blame it on me - don`t like to be held at gunpoint
becalm yourself
02:06 PM on 06/04/2011
he should just resign now
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
02:14 PM on 06/04/2011
I think you should.
06:35 PM on 06/04/2011
i did not lie to become elected and be so pathetic as to spend the money of future generations on 15 vacations
02:35 PM on 06/04/2011
just like that for no apparent reason whatsoever - just to gratify your deeply held resentment against your President Elect
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baydolphins
Gone crazy...back soon
01:51 PM on 06/04/2011
silly me, and I thought it was a NATO operation and we were a part of NATO...or is the House suggesting we no longer be a part of NATO...or does it really just have to do with an election coming up and the Republican controlled 'House' will look for any excuse to piss and moan?
01:57 PM on 06/04/2011
Being part of Nato does not automatically mean that you have to take part in military action - unless a Nato member nation is under attack. Being a non-Nato nation doesn`t mean you are barred from joining - Sweden being a case in point. Whether or not a nation does participate in this implementation effort boils down to a moral and political decision.
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
12:41 PM on 06/04/2011
In less than 240 words, please explain why you are willing to be drafted into the Libyian war and potentially d i e.

Or if you're too old, why your younger family member should put his/her life on the line in Libya.

(yes, let's assume the draft exists and you will be drafted)
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
12:50 PM on 06/04/2011
"The United States has a moral obligation to stand with those who seek freedom from oppression and self-government for their people. It’s unacceptable and outrageous for Qadhafi to attack his own people, and the violence must stop." Boehner
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
12:57 PM on 06/04/2011
Rog1112,

Are YOU willing to potentially d i e for Boehner's WHY?
02:08 PM on 06/04/2011
But there was no shooting until the first shots were fired y rebels
03:00 PM on 06/04/2011
Could you give it a rest and post 0 (=zero) words for a while?
bcunnin679
Political Correctness, the enemy of free speech
09:05 PM on 06/04/2011
Answer the question