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'Whale Wars' Star Paul Watson Discusses Sea Shepherd, Libya, And Bluefin Tuna

Whale Wars

First Posted: 06/ 3/2011 8:06 am Updated: 08/ 3/2011 5:12 am

Hidden in the intimate upstairs room of a posh vegan restaurant in New York sat a man deemed an "eco-terrorist." He prefers "eco-terraist."

Paul Watson, founder of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, early member of Greenpeace, and current captain and star of "Whale Wars," spent an evening discussing the premiere of season four of his reality show with a small group of journalists, including The Huffington Post. He spoke with a boyish grin, initially shy and yet subtly self-assured.

Animal Planet's "Whale Wars" follows Sea Shepherd's attempts to end Japanese whaling through aggressive intervention techniques on the Antarctic high seas. Sea Shepherd's actions and the show have faced praise and extreme scrutiny. After swapping his pistachio-encrusted tofu for a reporter's vegan lasagna, Watson announced, "They either love us or they hate us."

Martin Fackler of The New York Times explains that critics call Sea Shepherd "an anachronism, because private fishing companies have dropped out under international pressure and the demand for whale meat is declining. Few Japanese eat whale anymore, and the meat from the hunt has piled up in freezers, or been given to children for school lunches."

Greenpeace has spoken out against Sea Shepherd, denying Watson's claim that he co-founded Greenpeace and denouncing his aggressive methods. The environmental organization's website states, "We believe that throwing butryic [sic] acid at the whalers, dropping cables to foul their props, and threatening to ram them in the freezing waters of the Antarctic constitutes violence because of the potential consequences."

The newest subject of controversy? Two of Sea Shepherd's boats just began a campaign in Libyan waters, in an attempt to protect bluefin tuna from poachers.

This is the second year that Sea Shepherd will venture to Libya for that purpose, and Watson believes "this year is going to be a lot easier." While the bluefin tuna did not make the endangered species list last year, the European Union recently warned against fishing for bluefin tuna in Libya's waters. "Bluefin tuna caught by the Libyan fleet will be well on track to be deemed illegal," E.U. fisheries commissioner Maria Damanaki said. Watson believes it is therefore "fair game" to go after fishing boats in the area.

That is not to say he doesn't anticipate confrontations from fishing boats -- motivated, for the most part, by money. Watson estimates that one bluefin tuna can be worth at least $70,000. Earlier this year, a bluefin tuna sold for a record $396,000. "That kind of motivation is why there's so much corruption," Watson said. "Billions of dollars of profits are being made by this."

Watson cited Mitsubishi as a prime example of a big buyer. According to The Independent, the conglomerate has been freezing fish for years, and has cornered a significant share of the world's bluefin tuna market. "The bluefin they take out of the ocean and pack into warehouses translates into scarcity in the sea," Watson said. "Scarcity translates into higher prices for the fish. If you can wipe them out, and there's no more bluefin in the ocean, the only bluefin left is in those warehouses, you've got a million dollar fish."

"There are very few fishermen left today," he added. "These are corporations that look on fishing as a short term investment for a short term gain. They don't give a sh*t about the people. And so they'll wipe out anything."

Sea Shepherd's return to Libya is rife with controversy. Gawker's Jeff Neumann recently wrote, "Maybe Sea Shepherd's energies would be better used somewhere else, for the time being at least? There are a few more pressing issues to deal with in Libya these days (war, refugees, shortages of basic supplies, stuff like that). And really, what do they expect to accomplish by having some grouchy old white dude yell at fishermen through a megaphone?"

"It's really not a distraction from anything," Watson argued, in response to critics. He blames poachers for "taking advantage of the war to go in and illegally fish. NATO isn't going to be concerned about fishing. And the European Union is quite concerned about it, but they're not going to send their inspectors, and so we're the only people that are willing to go in there ... Everybody's afraid of it."

It is not all dangerous encounters on the high seas. In their downtime, the crew plays poker and watches DVDs of "Dexter," "Nip/Tuck," and "The Tudors." There is often free time on the ship -- especially for Watson, who sleeps only four hours a night.

Finishing off his tofu ice-cream, Watson politely asked to taste his neighbor's vegan lavender creme brulee. He was very clear that Sea Shepherd is not a vegan or animal rights organization of any kind -- rather, it is a "marine wildlife conservation organization" -- but nonetheless, he requires that only vegan food is served on his vessel. This is because a staggering percentage of fish caught from the ocean is fed to livestock. Therefore, if humans eat farm animals, Watson believes they are, by extension, eating fish.

Watson doesn't think humans should eat fish at all. Having been raised in a fishing village, he has witnessed firsthand the declining number of fish in the sea. "The importance of fish maintaining the ecological integrity of our oceanic ecosystems -- it is far more important there than being on anybody's plate." Citing a report based on U.N. data which found that global fisheries could collapse by 2048, Watson said, "If we wipe out the fish, the oceans are going to die. If the oceans die, we die. We can't live on this planet with a dead ocean. So it's really a question of self-preservation."

Despite Watson's beliefs, he doesn't resent meat-loving "Whale Wars" fans. Asked if he thought some of his viewers were hypocritical, Watson declared, "Everybody is a hypocrite. You can't live on this planet without being a hypocrite."

As the night wore on, the controversy and drama surrounding the man and the show ebbed into a more casual conversation: A reporter asked if he ever gets lonely, and Watson quickly -- perhaps too quickly -- snapped "no." He changed the subject, entertaining the table with tales of bizarre crewmembers and the nautical origin of words. By the end of the evening, Watson had offered a simple explanation of his outlook on the world, declaring, "You've got one life. Well hell, enjoy it."

"Whale Wars" Season 4 premieres Friday, June 3rd on Animal Planet.

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bcunnin679
Political Correctness, the enemy of free speech
09:56 AM on 06/12/2011
Paul Watson drove iron spikes into trees in hopes of injuring loggers.
12:26 AM on 06/08/2011
Before going to Libya, go back to Canada to stop Canadian baby seal hunting and harass whale-hunting Inuit. Are Canadian Inuit whaling against International law just like other whaling countries?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=ja&q=baby+seal+hunting&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=917
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Toddynho
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08:32 AM on 06/08/2011
You silly ninny... Paul's be the biggest and longest defender of the of Canadian seals. Use the google, put down your ign0r@nce.
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ThomasPaine1776
Left is right; Right is wrong
01:58 AM on 06/07/2011
I call him "hero".
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personal beliefs
Things never go according to plan, so plan accordi
05:26 PM on 06/06/2011
Just another man trying to make a buck by putting the lives of other humans at risk.
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Toddynho
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04:27 PM on 06/07/2011
The spent the better part of 3 decades poor and with death threats, people without a direction in life such as yourself won't know about personal sacrifice.
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BebeLush
The Tao of Pooh
04:40 PM on 06/07/2011
What crap. Thanks for putting him straight, toddynho.
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personal beliefs
Things never go according to plan, so plan accordi
10:49 AM on 06/08/2011
speaking of projection. You are nothing more than a simple hypocrite.
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Toddynho
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08:34 AM on 06/08/2011
These types of comments about greed are almost always generated out of projection. You do nothing in your life that you feel doesn't merit remuneration, so you project that on others. Kinda sad to live such an empty lifestyle.
12:44 PM on 06/06/2011
Captain Watson has my attention and he has my respect. I will be supporting his agenda and Sea Shepherd till the end. The Captain's tactics are what is required to fight, this is a fight to the death of whaling, make no mistake and do not blur the lines.
The Sea Shepherds need our help and we are all in their debt for doing this good fight. I will not sit and watch the Japanese harpoon whales. I will not sit and watch the Japanese net the last Tuna. I will not sit and watch the Japanese butcher Dolphins.
Get up and get with the program, Support http://www.seashepherd.org/ and Fight for what is Right.
02:13 PM on 06/06/2011
Why don't you mention killing of the last baby seal? Oh never mind, because they are Canadians, relatives of Paul Watson! lol http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=ja&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=917&q=baby seal hunt&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
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Toddynho
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04:28 PM on 06/07/2011
Paul DOES tackle that issue too, nice try/
01:27 PM on 06/10/2011
Um no, most intelligent Canadians hate him. He's practically banned from his hometown.
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TheDodoBird
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11:31 AM on 06/06/2011
Though I do not agree with violent solutions to these problems, I will say that it is a comfort knowing that there are some people in the world that are devoting time to helping these animals.

I live in IL, far, far away from areas where sea life can live (well, outside of an aquarium at least!), so I spend some money here and there, and donate to the overall causes of protecting these animals, but actually going out in the waters and fighting for them.... well, that takes a lot of money, time, and guts!
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Toddynho
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08:20 AM on 06/08/2011
Good for you! Fanned!
09:04 AM on 06/06/2011
Phenomenal!!!!! I wish more people could be more like him and take a stand to physically protect the weak and defenseless. Sitting back and saying it's wrong and doing nothing is why and how these things continue. However and whatever has to be done to protect and preserve is for the greater good of our world our children and the many animals who have no choice or say in how they are treated.
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RobertFromMN
Fiercely secular Luxemburgist
06:37 AM on 06/06/2011
Good man, good crew, good show and good cause.
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Willie Livingston
02:52 AM on 06/06/2011
Only watching an episode of this because its a review of the first 3 seasons.........Its so funny how these guys think they are doing anything good. They ram the Japanese ships.........but when it happens to them..........they get mad? lol. I still hope they get messed up. To me they are no different than pirates......and terrorists.
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RobertFromMN
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Toddynho
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04:28 PM on 06/07/2011
Well, we hope the same for you, because with a cause in life you're simply a waste of space.
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Mark Schmid
10:33 PM on 06/05/2011
To even attempt to save any species on this planet is bejond arrogant and human at best - we are in the process of outbreeding any other species and we will destroy most of our co inhabitants in the process - the numbers are against us - we are too many and use too much - we run around making us feel better about our still extravagant lifestyles by buying t shirts and playing pirates at sea.
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Toddynho
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08:23 AM on 06/08/2011
So we should all simply throw up our arms in defeat and watch species simply disappear? Also note, many species of whales were on the endangered list for decades, many have been removed from that list because of the work of individuals like Paul who embrace the attitude that we CAN make a difference and not the defeatist attitude of "oh well".
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Mark Schmid
10:13 PM on 06/05/2011
Most of the libyan tuna boats are out of action at the moment - there are several seized in france and i can only assume that Sea shepherd chooses to go into libyan waters to attract international attention and therefore more money - I was a supporter of this institution till its "leader" lost the plot with a statement about the japanese quake - power seems to corrupt everbody over time.
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TheSarge
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09:14 PM on 06/05/2011
Slowing the Japanese hunts is one thing, but in Arab waters they will be in serious danger. I am not sure yet if I agree with his tactics, but this may be a terrible decision.
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Willie Livingston
02:53 AM on 06/06/2011
good I hope they hit a anti ship mine.......and they all become whale food.
11:25 AM on 06/06/2011
So, you are both ignorant and cruel. Wonderful combination you got going there, you ought to run for President.
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Toddynho
I needs proof read more!
08:25 AM on 06/08/2011
And this is the rabid mentality that is on full display to the world with the pro-whale-killing crowd. Thanks for highlighting something else groups like the SSCS are up against: PURE IGN0R@NCE.
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pbh493
Expectations are premeditated resentments.
06:46 PM on 06/05/2011
My hero. A direct action leader that walks the walk. You cannot get any more focused, any more driven than this man. I don't care what anyone says, he is the absolute best animal activist of our time. We get to see a glimpse of what he does through Whale Wars as he is involved in many campaigns throughout the country.
What many ignore is that this man was a behind the scenes activist that worked tirelessly without a camera crew present. Now one is documenting what he does and he is able to bring in so much more money that is used for direct action. He is a super star.
As far as the those that start talking about sailor's code and his apparent disregard for the safety of his crew, let's be honest. He works with adults. He works with adults that volunteer to go into dangerous situations. They know what they are signing up for. They are given all the information up front. Let's not be silly. If my situation changes, I would be volunteering tomorrow.
The eco-terrorists of this world are the ones that destroy the earth for personal gain. Watson is centrally focused on ridding the world of those that prey on the innocent.
I am 100% behind Paul and his crew.
Monthly contributor since 2008.
04:42 PM on 06/06/2011
Amen, sister! you be singing to the choir!
He's got the balls of godzilla!
and I'm not jokin'!
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Toddynho
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04:29 PM on 06/07/2011
fanned!!!!!
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gemmax
05:25 PM on 06/05/2011
People who kill whales for food and other uses make me ill. It is beyond irresponsible. I am very familiar with a variety of whales including the beautiful Orca of which there are very few left. The pollution in the ocean and the busy sea lanes and the hunting will eventually cause all whales to become extinct. Just another completely useless mark of mankind on the earth. There is plenty of food without destroying the last of these beautiful and intelligent mammals.
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Willie Livingston
02:55 AM on 06/06/2011
Yes killing cows and chickens and every other kind of meat you eat is ok??? lol you tree huggers are so stupid............
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OuterBanx North12
Now with 33% MORE caffeine!
09:06 AM on 06/06/2011
1. We're not talking about cows and chickens, so please stay on topic.

2. Since your postings are just incoherent rants where anyone you disagree with is a "terrorist" or "tree hugger", obviously you should seek help before posting more comments.

3. You seem to be on the side of the corrupt businesses, so why do you hate America?
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gemmax
09:09 AM on 06/06/2011
I don't eat meat and whales are different than cows and pigs and chickens. Whales are an endangered species. I believe that they need to be protected. Since some governments don't get it, I actually admire the people out there fighting for their survival.Every whale saved is a victory. Besides, they are , to the best of our knowledge one of the oldest species on earth and very intelligent. It is just wrong. and BTW, the way Americans grow animals for food in such an inhuman manner also infuriates me, Every one of God's creature should be treated with respect.
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scifibird
05:10 PM on 06/05/2011
I call Paul Watson a hero!
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Willie Livingston
02:56 AM on 06/06/2011
why? hes a terrorist..........and hes putting innocent fisherman in danger........he should be shot.
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Ron Fabbro
09:03 PM on 06/06/2011
They're not innocent. Pay attention before inserting foot in mouth.
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Toddynho
I needs proof read more!
04:31 PM on 06/07/2011
He's not placed a single life in danger, how's the weather in Tokyo?