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Agriculture Industry Fears Disaster If Illegal Immigration Enforcement Program E-Verify Is Implemented

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By ALICIA A. CALDWELL   06/ 4/11 12:08 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON -- The agriculture industry fears a disaster is on the horizon if the one bit of new immigration policy that Congress seems to agree on becomes law.

A plan to require all American businesses to run their employees through E-Verify, a program that confirms each is legally entitled to work in the U.S., could wreak havoc on an industry where 80 percent of the field workers are illegal immigrants. So could the increased paperwork audits already under way by the Obama administration.

"We are headed toward a train wreck," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat whose district includes agriculture-rich areas. "The stepped up (workplace) enforcement has brought this to a head."

Lofgren said farmers are worried that their work force is about to disappear. They say they want to hire legal workers and U.S. citizens, but that it's nearly impossible, given the relatively low wages and back-breaking work.

Wages can range from minimum wage to more than $20 an hour. But workers often are paid by the piece; the faster they work, they more they make. A steady income lasts only as long as the planting and harvesting seasons, which can be measured in weeks.

"Few citizens express interest, in large part because this is hard, tough work," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsak said this past week. "Our broken immigration system offers little hope for producers to do the right thing."

Arturo S. Rodriguez, president of United Farm Workers, said migrant farm workers are exposed to blistering heat with little or no shade and few water breaks. It's skilled work, he said, requiring produce pickers to be exact and quick. While the best mushroom pickers can earn about $35,000 to $40,000 a year for piece work, there's little chance for a good living and American workers don't seem interested in farm jobs.

"It is extremely difficult, hard, dangerous work," Rodriguez said.

Last year Rodriguez's group started the "Take Our Jobs" campaign to entice American workers to take the fields. He said of about 86,000 inquiries the group got about the offer, only 11 workers took jobs.

"That really was thought up by farm workers trying to figure out what is it we needed to do to show that we are not trying to take away anyone's job," Rodriguez said.

Vilsak and the American Farm Bureau Federation president, Bob Stallman, said in a recent conference call with reporters that the best and likely only hope to stave off an economic catastrophe for American farmers and consumers is comprehensive overhaul of immigration policy. Vilsak said the industry is worth about $5 billion to $9 billion a year.

"We need to address the agriculture labor supply," Stallman said. "This situation will affect the future of America's farmers and ranchers."

Manuel Cunha, president of Nisei Farmers League, a group representing growers in central California, said farmers don't have the wherewithal to verify a worker's status when their labor force is often hired on the spot and in a hurry to pick ripe crops. Forcing them to verify a worker's legal status, he said, would prove disastrous.

"If we were to use E-Verify now, we'd shut down, either that or farmers would go to prison," said Cunha, a Fresno-based citrus farmer. "We've admitted many workers are not legal and if you have to get rid of everybody, where do I go to get my labor? Nowhere. We have to have a work force that we can put in the system."

Shawn Coburn, a politically active farmer who grows thousands of acres of almonds on the west side Fresno County, said he favors tighter borders, a guest worker program and a path to citizenship for those already in the U.S., or at the very least their children. But, like Cunha, he believes a mandatory E-Verify plan would be nothing but trouble for the industry.

"I don't think it's going to happen, but if it does it would throw the California economy for a loop," Coburn said.

Without a broad overhaul in the works, industry officials have focused on improving the H-2A temporary agricultural workers visa program that's aimed at allowing season workers to come and work on U.S. farms.

The program, however, is costly, time consuming and inefficient, according to Cathleen Enright, vice president of federal government affairs for the Western Growers Association.

"It has never been a great program or easy to work with," Enright said. "It's an unbelievably crushing program."

There isn't enough capacity in the system to process, interview and approve visa applications for the nearly 1 million seasonal workers who take to the fields every season. Farmers are required to pay for a worker's transportation from their home country to the fields, provide housing and other benefits.

Even minor violations of the numerous rules and regulations that govern the H-2A program can lead to hefty fines, Enright said.

"It's too expensive, it's too litigious, it's too bureaucratic," said Lee Wicker, deputy director of the North Carolina Growers Association. "We need a program that farmers can use and have confidence in."

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said farmers in his area want to do the right thing and hire legal workers but they are frustrated with the stifling bureaucracy that comes with the visa program.

"It's a labyrinthine visa process, with the slow walking of applications," Gowdy said. "You could not by accident come up with a better plan to ruin the small family farm."

Farmers, he said, "are just at their wits' end."

Using the program to get workers can put farmers at a disadvantage if their competitors decide to take their chances and hire illegal workers, Wicker said.

Lawmakers agree the visa program is problematic, but there's a wide divide on how to make it workable.

In 2009, Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., introduced legislation that would have given temporary resident status to immigrant farm workers and have created a path to legal residency for those workers after five years.

Neither bill, known as the AgJOBS Act, made it out committee. The idea is part of the discussion involving changes to the seasonal workers visa program, but Republicans have pledged to block it because it includes a path to legal status for immigrant workers.

Rep. Dan Lungren, a California Republican from an agriculture industry-heavy district near Sacramento, has said he sees that same "train wreck" Lofgren described, but that the AgJOBS bill isn't the answer.

"We're going to have a crisis in agriculture," Lungren said during a hearing this year on the visa program by the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration policy and enforcement. "And while it sounds great to say an agreement (on AgJOBS) is going to take care of it, it's not going to pass."

About the only hope for success for any immigration-related legislation, Lungren and others say, is a bill that would make it mandatory for American employers to use the government's E-Verify program to ensure their workers are legal.

GOP Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, has pledged to introduce such legislation. Such a proposal appeared to get a push this past week when the Supreme Court ruled 5-3 in favor of an Arizona law that allows the state to penalize businesses for hiring illegal immigrant workers.

Agriculture officials say there needs to be some exception for farm workers.

"It needs to take into account the unique aspects of agriculture," Vilsak said.

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Associated Press writers Gosia Wozniacka and Tracie Cone in Fresno, Calif., contributed to this report.

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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
03:12 PM on 06/17/2011
Democrats staunchly defend the rights of American workers to unionize and demand decent wages and working conditions. Unless they're farm workers. They can live like dogs for all you care.

Illegal farm labor is outsourcing in reverse. Instead of moving a factory from the US to Mexico, they move workers from Mexico to the US. Both cut the cost of labor to what Mexicans will work for.

Why do Democrats defend -- even want to expand -- a system that undercuts American workers' salaries? Doesn't it bother you to know *you're* the reason farm laborers can't make a living wage (unless they define "living" as "a refugee's lifestyle")?

Let me use an analogy you'll understand: factory jobs. Americans complain because so many factories went to Mexico; unemployed workers claim to want these jobs.. But you know, none of them would move to Mexico City and work for $5/hr for one of those jobs. I guess that proves Americans don't really *want* these jobs, huh? We're just too lazy.

Wrong. Americans were happy to do factory work when the factories were here and paid $20/hr. They're not lazy, they just don't want to work for Mexican wages and live in Mexican conditions.

But where Democrats have stood up for factory workers, you've thrown farm labor under the bus. I don't get that.
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Curtis Echols
PawPaw
06:18 AM on 06/18/2011
Attaboy,couldn't have wrote it better! Capt.Curt
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tman418
Liberal policies work everytime
05:39 PM on 06/09/2011
Why is it that people think that it is impossible to substitute illegal farmers/farm workers with legal ones, pay them a decent salary/wage AND not have affordable fruits and vegetables (and meat for that matter)?
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Amakar
10:03 PM on 06/14/2011
Because the consumer doesn't want to pay for real cost fruits. (Or at least that's what they assume).

Also, as long as the market is 'free' in the labor respect, the lowest bidder wins. Read this as "If your competitor cheats, you have to cheat to keep up"

Also, the idea of 'reasonable profit' for shareholders is completely unrelated to the costs on the ground.
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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
04:12 PM on 06/17/2011
I think there's an extra "not" in your sentence. But I think you're saying what I've been wondering. Why don't we think we can afford to pay farm workers a living wage?

We don't think about any other job this way. Nobody wants to let GM hire illegal workers instead of UAW members, even though that would make American-made cars cheaper. So I don't think that's the real reason.

Bluntly, I think it's because a lot of people don't *think* about issues, they *feel* instead. There's so much racism and hatred involved in this issue that it's easy for a caring person to leap to defend the immigrants without realizing the position they're taking is anti-union and anti-labor. They feel like they're helping people (and they are!), but they don't realize they're hurting their fellow citizens.
RTIII
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12:41 PM on 06/09/2011
But Agriculture is _the_ major place for jobs for illegal workers. This is not a big problem elsewhere in the economy. If it weren't for Ag, we wouldn't be having this discussion!

SURE, illegals get hired as waiters, and other low end jobs, but not to the point that it's an issue, mostly because most of those jobs involve being paid via a W2 and not 1099, and therefore the jobs are more secure from illegal workers...

Thus, a "cure for the problem" will merely be an intrusion into the lives of the rest of us and a burden on businesses that don't have a problem.

Vote No!
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
02:00 PM on 06/13/2011
Beg to differ ~ U.S. Agriculture is the lowest "useage" of illegals of any employment group ~

http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845

Service Occupations ~ 30%
Construction & Extraction ~ 21%
Production, Installation, Repair ~ 15%
Sales, Adm Support ~ 13%
Management, Business, Professional ~ 9%
Transport, Materials Moving ~ 8%
Farming ~ 4%
RTIII
Poster of over 0.0135% of all HufPost comments
02:50 PM on 06/13/2011
I don't have other numbers to back up my perceptions but somehow I doubt these numbers.

Still, you provided a link and I respect those who cite their sources - at least the sources that aren't obviously discredited. So, thank you for that.
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Robert Cortez
If I had all the answers I wouldnt be writing here
02:39 AM on 06/09/2011
Sometimes the best answer to a complex problem is the simplest. Make it easier to stay/enter the country for the purpose of work. Fingerprint, photo, maybe even DNA sample for a background check. If cleared issue them a card with a Individual Taxpayer Identification Number as a legal resident. This would not afford them all the rights of citizenship such as voting or receiving other benefits. It would assure that they would not be abused by employers or landlords with fear because of their illegal status. Then let them unionize for fair pay and benefits that all members - including citizens - would receive.
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wbthacker
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04:17 PM on 06/17/2011
The farm workers ARE unionized, aren't they? A union spokesman was quoted in the article. (Though I don't know how you can assure someone is a union member if we can't even assure they're a legal resident....)

Maybe the union doesn't work well and the employers call all the shots. Or maybe it's because once an illegal immigrant gets a job here, he can't demand a pay raise because there's *another* illegal immigrant standing behind him, happy to do the job for the old rate.

If you could shut off the flow we would probably see farm wages increase, but while the supply is apparently unlimited, its value has to stay low.
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jweider
I know where my towel is
12:06 PM on 06/08/2011
So agribusiness is going to have to take lower profits and pay higher labor costs. (net farm income is up 19.8% from last year)
It's called capitalism!
Deal with it!
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spytheweb
Black Democrat
07:55 PM on 06/07/2011
"We are headed toward a train wreck," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat whose district includes agriculture-rich areas. "The stepped up (workplace) enforcement has brought this to a head." California has a bigger program, they don't even want criminal illegal aliens arrested. California is fighting secure communities. They just want illegal aliens in their state without any restrictions, without obeying any immigration laws.
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garylloyd
02:17 AM on 06/07/2011
An honest count ...

Once again I'm asking you Amnesty folk to provide an honest estimate of the amount of illegals in this country which is to say your estimate of 10 million is absolutely wrong and you know it.

Of course since Obama uses 10 million you can't be entirely faulted. Nonetheless, it is the height of deceit to continue using 10 million when it's been shown to you it's impossible that only 10 million illegals are here.

At best, ten million represents all non-Hispanic illegals. In New York alone there are millions of Caribbean illegals many who've been here for decades.

One index honest counters use is our public health clinics. Everywhere you go they are choked with illegals. Today when an America citizen walks into a clinic for a flu shot the horde of illegals jammed in the place look at him like he's a space alien from another galaxy.

And I mean every freaking clinic in the country!
10:23 PM on 06/06/2011
Does anyone know when this is going into effect? Thanks
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garylloyd
07:08 PM on 06/06/2011
An honest count, please ...

One of the more dishonest tactics of the Amnesty lobby is their ridiculously low illegal population count. An accurate count is vitally important. I mean, it's like telling your mother you're bringing a friend over for Thanksgiving dinner then showing up with 50 friends.

These fellows apparently don't give a fig about the chaos a miscount would have on infrastructure and public services.

Censuses are conducted to help predict and allocate public services -- clinics, schools, infrastructure, etc. When you go to a health clinic for a flu shoot and find it jammed with illegals that's because the illegals were under-counted in the last census.

In other words, Obama is criminally-negligent to be talking about blanket Amnesty without knowing how many illegals will be getting this blanket amnesty.

Is it 10 million or 50 million?

NYC's population is 18 million. There's little question in my mind illegals make up half of that population -- I'm from NYC. I know how things were 30 years ago. Thirty years ago you could travel around the city for hours without seeing an illegal; today they're in your face wherever you go.

Bottom line, all discussion of Amnesty must stop until we get an accurate count ... which of course, we can never get.
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Soule23
Anti-micro-biol
10:35 PM on 06/06/2011
Half of NYC's population is undocumented? You clearly are not rational.
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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
04:19 PM on 06/17/2011
"Thirty years ago you could travel around the city for hours without seeing an illegal; today they're in your face wherever you go."

What does an illegal look like? They must be easy to spot, eh?
06:20 PM on 06/06/2011
Why is it supply and demand market forces won't work when it comes to labor? Pay more and someone will pick the vegetables. If we had a shift to an agriculture with family farms where the family supplies most of the labor that would be a good thing, and higher labor prices in California would allow local farmers to grow vegetables through most of the U.S. for local consumption. In the dairy business there is no way dairies with 10,000 milk cows could compete with family farms relying on family labor for on a CWT basis without cheap labor. Even with cheap labor they are unsustainable because they have to travel further and further to spread manure and find it more difficult to keep organics and nutrients (nitrogen, phosphorus etc) out of surface and ground water. We will likely continue to need additional labor for certain times of the year and we need some sort of verifiable guest worker program for that purpose.
moldndecay
Only that day dawns to which you are awake
06:34 PM on 06/06/2011
"Pay more and someone will pick the vegetables."

And there's your answer. That cost gets passed on to the consumer. NO politician will ever be the courageous one to stand up and tell people they will have to pay $10 dollars for their head of broccoli while subsidizing the corn industry. Never happen.
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08:33 AM on 06/17/2011
Roger, cheap labor available in California depresses prices for agricultural products produced other places. And lets not forget that all that land in California under cultivation, is only viable because of US Taxpayer funded water projects from decades ago. There is one wate project in Cali that lifts water over a moutain range to irrigate croplands for the big agribusiness guys, and that project consumes the lectricity of an entire Nuclear Power Plant ("Cadillac Desert", excellent read).

They get subsidized water because they do not pay market rates for the water (i.e. what it costs to get the water there to include the infrastructure) and subsidized labor because they are not paying proper wages and taxes on those wages. This is far removed from the image they present of themsleves.

The problem is, and mind you I am not opposed to this, if you turn that off then the California economy wil go to $Heit, and consumers WILL pay more for fruits and vegetables.
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Emma2011
05:20 PM on 06/06/2011
See what is happening in Georgia where the crop is rotting in the fields because of the farm labor shortage that the new anti-illegal labor law has caused. Despite an unemployment rate that is hovering around 10% in Georgia, the unemployed are not willing to do farm labor that pays approx $12,50/hour. The unemployed Americans prefer to be on the dole rather than replacing the illegal immigrants who did not show up this year because they were afraid of being arrested.
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Curtis Echols
PawPaw
01:05 AM on 06/07/2011
advertise,sounds like georgia might be able to change this if they quit thinking 19th crentury.
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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
04:27 PM on 06/17/2011
Yes, that shows why we need uniform federal policy. If California welcomes illegal labor, they can sell it for less than Georgia, which has to pay a fair price for labor. So California sets the price so low Georgians can't make any money -- that's why their crops are rotting in the fields.

This is no different than "dumping", where foreign countries like Japan and China keep domestic prices high for things they produce, but export goods at a loss to destroy foreign competitors.

That destroyed the American chipmaking industry, for example; TI couldn't make money paying Texans to build microcircuits because Japan was dumping theirs on us, so they moved the factories to Asia to compete. The American worker, you'll note, was screwed either way.

As long as California welcomes cheap labor as an unfair competitive advantage, American farm workers are likewise screwed.
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healthcarenow
RN 4 blue Arizona
05:19 PM on 06/06/2011
Last year Rodriguez's group started the "Take Our Jobs" campaign to entice American workers to take the fields. He said of about 86,000 inquiries the group got about the offer, only 11 workers took jobs.

Here's the oppurtunity for all those anti-immigration patriots who rue the "loss of jobs" to step into the opening...bet it won't happen, for all the reasons described above.
04:36 PM on 06/06/2011
Boo hoo hoo to all the Republican farmers. What about all that free market crap that you keep throwing at us. The free market operate on the law of supply and demand. Accordingly that means if you have a job that is particularly distasteful then you are going to have to pay more for your labor. Simple, just like fuel costs. Just because the cost of gas goes up because of demand it doesn't mean that you can illegally import fuel and not pay taxes on it because it is costing you to much. If you can't afford to pay market rates for labor then the market says you can't be in business. Its amazing how these so called free marketeers cry so much about having to pay the market rate for labor. If you can't do it with Americans then you have no business or right to be in business.
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Tekkdude
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04:55 PM on 06/06/2011
That's all well and good. But I don't want to hear you complain when potatoes are $5/each and oranges are $30/lb. While I am a liberal and I don't like immigrant labor the way it is. We can't simply turn it off right now. The price shock to the world would be catastrophic. Never mind the price shock to the American people. We have grown used to the fact that our food is picked by low cost illegal workers. We will gradually have to change this situation. You will not be able to flip a switch and make this change.
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healthcarenow
RN 4 blue Arizona
05:23 PM on 06/06/2011
agree, that's why we have to catch up quickly, starting with "visiting workers visas"; that way they can be tracked and kept to their contracted date. In the meantime, those citizens willing to work can start applying.
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healthcarenow
RN 4 blue Arizona
05:20 PM on 06/06/2011
especially with all the farm subsidies handed out.
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HotelDrama
04:18 PM on 06/06/2011
Implementing this will cause even more economic damage. Food prices will skyrocket and people won't be able to afford to buy food.
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03:10 PM on 06/06/2011
Yes, let's raise the agri wages, get rid of the "illegals" and then....go without fruits and vegetables because they will become unaffordable.
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healthcarenow
RN 4 blue Arizona
05:26 PM on 06/06/2011
Currently,fruits and vegetables aren't worth the money you pay for them; agribusiness deserves to be taken down for the irresponsible manner in which they produce and handle our food...pesticides, antibiotics, steroids, artificial engineering. Drop ALL subsidies, except for small, organic farms....we'll all live healthier.
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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
04:41 PM on 06/17/2011
No, I disagree! We must keep produce cheap by ensuring farm workers live like refugees or fifteenth-century peasants. If Americans refuse, then by god we'll import people from Mexico. If they get sick of it, there's always China and India.

If necessary we should change the Constitution and legalize slavery again to keep wages low so you don't have to pay more for your lettuce. Because the ends justify the means, right?