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Apple iCloud Release Puts Music Streaming Startups In Spotlight

First Posted: 06/04/11 11:47 AM ET Updated: 08/04/11 06:12 AM ET

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Apple’s highly anticipated iCloud is expected to make it easier than ever before to listen to your own music anywhere you have an Internet connection. But its entry into the online music world could squeeze out the smaller players already crowding the market.

Apple has confirmed it will announce a new iCloud service on Monday. It will likely be a subscription service that allows users to buy, play and store music -- and perhaps other media -- online. Even though Apple has yet to share many details about iCloud, analysts agree the new service will help shape the future landscape of digital music.

Apple’s service, which comes on the heels of new products from tech giants Google and Amazon, is just the latest entry alongside an eager crop of startups already forging a new model for digital music.

But Apple's dominance in the digital music world may hinder existing startups once the tech behemoth enters the game, experts warn.

“If Apple wins, everybody else dies,” said Bob Lefsetz, a music industry analyst. “We learned it with the iPad. We learned it with the iPod.”

Cloud services have been the focus of serious industry interest in recent days. The idea that files -- music or not -- can be stored in remote servers and yet be accessible from any point is a highly attractive Internet-forward idea, but it is also rife with potential risks.

With the iCloud, Apple will enter into an already teeming sphere of music streaming sites, including Grooveshark, Pandora, Spotify, MOG, Rdio and Rhapsody. These sites generally fall into one of three categories: music lockers, like Google and Amazon; subscription-based, unlimited streaming sites, like Rdio or Rhapsody; and radio-style personalized play sites, like Pandora.

But though these sites provide services distinct from those of the big players, they cannot match the big companies in brand power, reach and cash flow, key elements required to win over both users and record labels.

Apple’s biggest advantage in the digital music race is, well, being Apple. As the largest music retailer in the country, with near 70 percent of the digital music market, the company has established its brand as the go-to source for finding, buying, storing and playing music on a computer. Apple’s iTunes store has around 200 million credit cards on file. Startups -- as well as web giants Amazon and Google -- face the challenge of changing users’ habits and convincing them to abandon one music library for another.

"I’d certainly sound naive if I said I wasn’t worried," said Rdio CEO Drew Larner. “Apple, Google and Amazon are three of the most dominant companies not only in the Internet space, but generally in business.”

Apple’s brand has also been bolstered by its big ticket advertising, something that startups would be hard pressed to match. And, along with the music itself, Apple’s empire of connected devices -- iPod, iPad and iPhone among them -- helps keep customers in their consumer ecosystem.

"If you think about it, the outbound marketing from these services has been pretty muted," said Michael McGuire, VP of research at Gartner, a tech consulting firm. “Apple is coming into the market based on more than ten years of almost saturation volume of advertising.”

Despite the difficulty of getting people to pay for digital music instead of pirating it, experts say that if anyone is going to be able to successfully charge for music, it’s Apple. After all, with the opening of the iTunes store 10 years ago, Apple proved that if purchasing music was easy, reliable and safe enough, it could convince people to buy music instead of download it illegally. Experts say that if Apple can convince a portion of its existing iTunes customers to sign up for iCloud, it will keep those same customers from spending money for other services. After all, Apple can give users instant access to songs they already own, on devices they already have, in a system that already has their credit card on file.

“If I can access my 6,000 songs from the cloud, that’s going to eat up a lot of my time and steal a lot of attention from Grooveshark, Rdio, whoever,” said Paul Resnikoff, publisher of Digital Music News, an industry site. “Even if Apple’s service isn’t free, there’s considerable incentive for me to put money down and that eats at the money I might spend at another service.”

Analysts say that even if users don’t leave smaller music services for the big companies, the very presence of an Apple service will make it increasingly difficult for startups to woo new customers. If, as has been rumored, Apple’s service costs $25 a year, it will be almost a hundred dollars less than most services, which run around $10 a month.

“I don’t think everybody drops everything and moves to iTunes,” said McGuire. “But it may make it more difficult to peel off customers from iTunes.”

In the end, users will only choose a service if it offers all the music they want to hear. Yet securing rights to that music is a complicated and hugely expensive task that relies on cash and connections. Apple, Google and Amazon also have far deeper pockets than any smaller competitor, offering those three a big boost in starting a music service. (Though thus far, both Amazon and Google have chosen to provides services that don't rely on these deals.) And for any company hoping to get off the ground in the digital music world, significant capital is necessary just to build a viable service.

Yet even after securing deals with top record labels, turning a profit can be a Sisyphean task. Licensing fees do not come cheap: recent reports suggest Apple will pay somewhere between $100 and $125 million to the record labels so that it can offer full song catalogues for its service.

“I’m not optimistic that digital music startups have a bright future,” said David Pakman, partner at venture capital firm Venrock, co-founder of Apple Music Group and former CEO of digital music site eMusic. “It’s a hard space to build a business in to be self-sustaining because the economics are so challenged by the rules imposed by record labels.”

Nor is it possible to simply bypass the labels. Grooveshark, one of the streaming sites that lets users listen to anything they want for free without ever having to pay a subscription fee, has been sued by both Universal Music Group and EMI since its launch. The Grooveshark app was subsequently pulled from both the Android and Apple app stores. Licensing negotiations are also reported to be the issue holding up European-based Spotify’s U.S. debut.

Even after sites obtain licenses, agreements with record companies often require profit splits of around 70 percent for the music industry and 30 percent for the music service. Even Apple’s iTunes store, the number one music retailer of any kind in the U.S., does little better than break even after the labels take their cut.

Pandora, a music startup currently preparing for its IPO, is an exception to many of these sites in a number of ways. Rather than asking for subscription fees, it makes money on advertising. Further, Pandora is able to get radio licensing, which is far cheaper than licensing for streaming.

Still, anyone and everyone trying to make it in the new cloud-based digital music ecosystem -- including Apple -- confronts the same major obstacles: convincing users music is worth paying for and persuading them of the safety of the cloud.

It’s hard to run a business selling music when free options, legal or illegal, have set up shop outside your door. Every music service, regardless of its model or scale, is engaged in the battle to get people to pay for what they can just as easily get for free.

“We’re all competing with piracy,” said Grooveshark spokesperson Ben Westermann-Clark. “You have to get the people they want to listen to in a legal way that’s just as compelling as piracy, if not better.”

The problem of free music is over a decade old and though the old illegal downloading sites have long since fallen from the mainstream, new options to access music for free have emerged. The Napster era of the illegal download has been surpassed by the streaming revolution. A user can now use sites like Grooveshark and Spotify forever without ever having to pay for the privilege.

“With the rise of Grooveshark, and the rise of Spotify, something funny happened -- a lot of users just started streaming music from the cloud,” said Resnikoff. “That introduced a solution but also another problem. Suddenly you have this consumer in a bullpen you can identify. You can control them a little more, but they’re still not paying. They might be following the law, but they’re not paying.”

Many question whether the record labels’ stance is a justifiable defense against pirated music, or a dangerous adherence to stubborn traditionalism that stops new music models from ever becoming viable. Critics point to the massive decline of the industry, which has floundered its way through the digital music era.

“The huge shortsightedness of the music industry here is, why are they setting pricing in a way that puts all their partners out of business? They could get a thousand startups licensed, with 40 percent margins instead of 30,” said Pakman, “Wouldn’t it be better if you had hundreds of thousands of great companies having music for sale? Instead they’ve essentially forced everyone out of business and only the big guys can play.”

But online music services must also assure readers that cloud storage is safe and reliable. Anyone who’s used a smartphone knows wireless access is far from perfect and can lead to a listening experience marred by stutters and halts. And consumers could have legitimate questions about the new type of service. For example, what do users do when their Internet is down and all of their songs are trapped in the cloud? What do they do if the company accidentally wipes out their entire collection and can’t retrieve it?

“The streaming music sites are a pretty good deal,” said Carl Howe, analyst with Yankee Group. “With the caveat that if you stop paying your subscription fee all your music goes away.”

Still, many of the music startups believe that Apple, Amazon and Google’s entry into music streaming will help bring public awareness to a service that many consumers have overlooked, misunderstood or distrusted. Analysts say, however, that smaller sites will have to fight to distinguish themselves from one another in the eyes of consumers, who might not have a real preference between an unlimited streaming site and a cloud-based locker.

“People want their own stuff, they want their own library,” said Resnikoff. “Even in their own library, people rarely listen to their entire library, they don’t make it through. The assumption that people then go: 'I want ten million songs' is a little bit of a stretch, and it may not scale towards the broader music fan.”

In the best case scenario, consumers will be able to pick and choose from a wide range of services that all fulfill different needs.

“2011 is going to be a crazy fucking year for online music,” said Westermann-Clark. “It’s finally this perfect storm where these things have been developing for years, and now the big players are getting into the game and lots of things are changing.”

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Apple’s highly anticipated iCloud is expected to make it easier than ever before to listen to your own music anywhere you have an Internet connection. But its entry into the online music world could...
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NVEnvy07
Your micro-bio is no longer empty.
06:43 AM on 07/07/2011
Rhapsody is the best..hands down!
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SickHippie
No, YOUR micro-bio is empty.
12:11 AM on 06/07/2011
"The Bishop of Buckingham -- who reads his Bible on an iPad -- explained to me the similarities between Apple and a religion. And when a team of neuroscientists with an MRI scanner took a look inside the brain of an Apple fanatic it seemed the bishop was on to something. The results suggested that Apple was actually stimulating the same parts of the brain as religious imagery does in people of faith."
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g4dualie
Stop Supporting Flash. Adobe did!
10:58 PM on 06/06/2011
Where did everyone get the impression iCloud was a music service?
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calilife4me
12:04 AM on 06/07/2011
No one here thinks that. Most poster here understand that it's simply cloud computing. It's the Apple fan boys who want to make it more than what it is. Get over it...it's not revolutionary in any way!
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Mitchman57
I might be indecisive. But... maybe not.
08:13 AM on 06/07/2011
Steve mentioned music more than any other use by a wide margin. Music service.... music server, eh. To an Apple fan (short for fanatic) they'll be using it for servicing their collection of Bee Gee and Lady Ga Ga tunes.

icloud is a fan-funnel to the itunes store. It's all about shoving people to where the MONEY IS. it's a free cab ride to the itunes money store. Get it yet?
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J242
Micro-bio? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bio!
02:40 PM on 06/06/2011
Whoops, all "purchased" music, apps, videos, books & e-mags over the cloud for free. Still, that's hardcore. Now we know the true intent behind the massive server farm Apple bought & re-built in Virginia... ;) Kind of tough to complain about all of this being free ain't it?
03:42 PM on 06/06/2011
Free cloud service is nothing new, Ubuntu has been offering that for a long time- other companies have as well. It's about time Apple catches up. I am a little concerned about Apple's coralling practices with purchased media though- my understanding is that movies, shows, books, and apps all still have FairPlay DRM on them. I know that a lot of folks here have a strong love for this corporation, but I worry that abuses will come from Apple's market dominance. They are only a corporation after all, making money off of consumers is the bottom line...always. I do find it a little troubling that Apple buys and shuts down competitors like Lala. I suspect Apple will be facing more antitrust lawsuits in the future. By the way, I believe that Apple's cloud server is located in North Carolina.
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helioszephyr
What do you mean by "micro"?!
03:55 AM on 06/07/2011
"They are only a corporation after all, making money off of consumers is the bottom line...always. I do find it a little troubling that Apple buys and shuts down competitors like Lala."

I'm baffled by such statements... as if what, this practice/corporate behavior is exclusive to Apple? They're competing in a global market/industry where this is common and accepted practice by all corporations. Small/startup tech firms, and their founders, fair quite well financially when purchased by large corps, many times better than if they continued to compete on their own.
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J242
Micro-bio? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bio!
02:35 PM on 06/06/2011
I don't know if any of ya'll remember me saying we should wait and see what they announce or not but...
The announcement just came in, it's free for ALL content... Apps, music, books, rentals, purchases, your own stuff, documents, photos, mail, contacts, calendars, EVERYTHING synced via the cloud for FREE if the device has iTunes!!!

How do current offerings from competitors compare to that exactly? lol
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g4dualie
Stop Supporting Flash. Adobe did!
10:45 PM on 06/06/2011
They don't. They can't match Apple's services because they don't make the hardware to go with it.

Apple is a vertical market (walled garden) like XBox or PS3 or DirecTV who makes their own hardware and software and the a major reason why they're so successful. They control the whole widget, hence they provide a superior service to their customers.
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J242
Micro-bio? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bio!
11:48 PM on 06/06/2011
Oh, I agree completely, it was a rhetorical question. ;) There is no comparison at this point when you include everything. I've seen people mention "I can do all of that with my android" but they can't take a photo with their cell phone, have it available on their larger display tablet, edit it, re-save it and have both versions available on both devices and their home computers at the same time on it's own without forcing the operation. On top of that, Google hasn't announced anything about pushing a media library to the cloud for availability in all conditions with the exception of their specific web apps like gmail, google docs, etc. How that ties in on all devices at once is only through manually accessing it. iCloud will do it passively so long as I'm connected. Just a "wee" bit of difference between the approaches ya know? lol
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brandon20678
Corporations have 99 problems and I'm 1
10:17 AM on 06/06/2011
How is apple icloud Different from other Services offered? Why are people acting like Apple just invented a new way to listen to music? I have Amazon Cloud and it works great. Apple Fan boys are about to go crazy. Once again Music on cloud is nothing new so what makes Apple announcement any different?
01:22 PM on 06/06/2011
I agree...but...I just tried Amazon Cloud (the .99 Lady Gaga album) and found the experience...lacking. All I could think about was "...if someone could cross this with iTunes it would be the shiznet..." and a week later...Apple has iCloud (Steve, make sure you spell my name right for that royalty check). What amazes me is not just Apple getting crap...but some other companies (facebook Zynga..etc) who built something completly new and made it into an empire. Heck, you should be saluting them for making the American ideal of capitalism a reality. If you can build something better...do it...otherwise STHU and give credit where it's due. Oh..and I know some aspects of these companies were accelerated by aquiring other companies...and? Look up DR-DOS sometime...what???
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g4dualie
Stop Supporting Flash. Adobe did!
10:53 PM on 06/06/2011
Your first mistake was thinking iCloud is a music service.

iCloud is a online storage service that offers synchronization between all of your Apple hardware products.

It will sync all of your family member's calendars, so everyone is using the same calendar. Add an entry to your personal calendar and your wife and children's calendars are updated instantly.

iCloud will create a back up of your Home folder that can be accessed from anywhere on the planet. Add something new to your iPhone and bam! it instantly syncs with the Home folder on your desktop.

This sync'ing is the magic. Lot's of places offer online storage, but none of them offer the kind of synchronization Apple is offering.

Music has little to do with iCloud, but that's the only thing people have heard about the service, so just like you, they think iCloud is a music service.
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Mitchman57
I might be indecisive. But... maybe not.
02:24 PM on 06/07/2011
I hope there will be an option to 'not share' a calendar entry, photo, etc.

The first time dad sees a shot of jr with a beer in his hand..... it's not a cool thing anymore. I'm still not allowed to see my son's Facebook page. He's in college!!!
10:08 AM on 06/06/2011
This weekend i was at a party where someone was explaining the new cloud that apple will be launching.

The person was speaking to beautiful women and was almost crying while he was explaining it and the women was involved in computer science.

After several minutes of this nut case explaining what the new cloud service will provide in his opinion with motions like he was going to breakdown the women slammed her foot in his nuts and told me to act like a man.

I was laughing so hard i was crying like many others in the room.

I know Steve will o a better job.
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Mitchman57
I might be indecisive. But... maybe not.
07:17 AM on 06/06/2011
Isn't Apple's icloud (this stupid "i" nonsense......) just a 'Go to my PC' without using your own PC?

How's it different, except perhaps for the method of the storage itself?
01:35 PM on 06/06/2011
Marketing...that and a clean interface. Dyson is another example....it's 'just a vaccum cleaner' but it has a cooler name....Cha-Ching $$
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J242
Micro-bio? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bio!
11:52 PM on 06/06/2011
It's not "got to my..." anything, it's a "Go to my EVERYTHING" service that is FREE. The only thing that costs money is IF you choose to have all of your music content that you acquired through sources other than iTunes available on any and all devices without the need to synch them. Big difference. Autonomous and free between multiple devices or choosing to force a manual synch operation between one device and a computer. All you're described is "over the air" synching which this is offering as well in addition to the cloud services.
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Mitchman57
I might be indecisive. But... maybe not.
07:53 AM on 06/07/2011
icloud still seems like a solution to a teenager's problem. Really, does a 30 year old REALLY need to have instant ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, gotta listen to it NOW access to music (movie, photos) that can be carried just as well in the device itself? Do I really need to play that certain tune while my other igizmo is charging?

Steve says it, we believe it. Steve sells it, we buy it.... for the kids at Christmas.
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Mitchman57
I might be indecisive. But... maybe not.
07:07 AM on 06/06/2011
The legal ramifications are not being discussed. Kiddie pron on the cloud.... who 's computer is it stored on? How do I prove it wasn't me that placed it in my 'account'? When my 'account' is hacked and the contents browsed by others or it's used to store something illegal, how will I know?

Makes me nervous enough to stay far away.
08:50 AM on 06/06/2011
more room for everyone else
02:29 PM on 06/06/2011
Mitchman57 what's your hangup with Apple? You're old enough to have used newsgroups right? FTP/Gopher? 'memba them? All the cloud (any version) is a updated version of what's been around for years. It's got updates so you can actually run applications (still sandboxed) and keep the data.
What scares me would be the blind belief that your data is indestructible...look to all the hacks that have occured lately.
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g4dualie
Stop Supporting Flash. Adobe did!
10:55 PM on 06/06/2011
What's his obsession with kiddie porn? I'm glad he won't be using iCloud. We don't need to adulterate the place with his kiddie porn.
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Mitchman57
I might be indecisive. But... maybe not.
07:39 AM on 06/07/2011
I go back to TRS-80 days with an 80 baud acoustic coupler. (Youngsters can use the Google to look it up). I'm glad we don't have to put a transistor radio next to the computer to listen for data stalls. Ahhhhh....Those were the days.
12:36 AM on 06/06/2011
To each his own. I don't mind paying for music, but when I do, I want the music on my own computer, to be burned on my own cds. I don't want it "in the cloud."
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J242
Micro-bio? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bio!
11:54 PM on 06/06/2011
Than don't enable the feature for that media format. :) However, if you're traveling some day and your primary device for music breaks, wouldn't it sure be nice to have access to it just by going to a Starbucks and re-downloading it (as well as your calendar, address book, documents, photos, apps, etc) and not have to pay a penny to do so?
09:09 AM on 06/07/2011
Yeah, but the probability is not enough for me to worry about, or plan for. I can live without my tunes for few hours.
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Gigity
Neither liberal nor Conservative
11:12 PM on 06/05/2011
I'll gladly pay for the right to listen to unlimited music that I haven't bought, but only a dullard would pay Apple for the right to listen to their own music. But then again, Apple fans aren't the brightest.
08:53 AM on 06/06/2011
I don't think thats how it works. Please. its Micosofts sheep that aren't too bright. They keep buying products that don't even work
10:26 AM on 06/06/2011
How is it that Microsoft products don't work? They seem to work every day for 90% of global computer users.

two words for you... iPhone 4.
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J242
Micro-bio? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bio!
11:57 PM on 06/06/2011
$25 a year for an online backup of 20,000 tracks? If you're dealing with high compression (low quality) tracks at 3 megs each you're talking about around 6 gigs of online storage for your library as a backup. You've never had a hard-drive crash on you before you were able to backup a few gigs of content? I certainly have and this sure would've been nice considering it would do it automatically without even having to upload anything more than an xml playlist as a reference file. Then again, maybe you're just that 1 in a 1,000 that never has any problems ever with your hardware and backs every single thing you do up every hour just in case. Well even then, this would save you a lot of time as it'd do it for you. ;)
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wilray
50,000 Screaming Fans (Ignore that other number)
05:52 AM on 06/07/2011
Unless the music files are original music or it is from obscure artists, then I consider backing up music a hella waste, Besides mostly Apple won't be backing up anything; it will all just be music that they already have in their library. With their iTunes match service they will even increase the bitrate of your low quality songs to 256kps; that's because they are not using your file. Of course if you have a higher quality record their match service should reduce it to 256kps for exactly the same reason.

I won't back up movies that millions of folks have because they are available on demand at Netflix. I won't backup music that millions of people have when it is just as available as Netflix movies. It is a new paradigm.
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calilife4me
07:45 PM on 06/05/2011
Hacked in 5, 4, 3....
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g4dualie
Stop Supporting Flash. Adobe did!
09:26 PM on 06/06/2011
crickets....
06:53 PM on 06/05/2011
of course, this is nothing revolutionary, but because Apple will do it in such a way that they have maximum control and the user doesn't, the subscribers will see it as "easy" instead of "limited" because the iDrones believe everything Apple tells them and will gladly spend money for an Apple product that costs more than a superior alternative. The Apple brand has become a cult phenomenon. The i must stand for "idiot".
08:21 PM on 06/05/2011
In the word of Pogo, "I represent that remark."
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SickHippie
No, YOUR micro-bio is empty.
05:48 PM on 06/05/2011
Foobar (free) any UPNP client app (available for free on every OS, mobile or desktop), and you can have this for no extra cost, just stream over your internet connection at home.

I just set up Foobar on a Windows 7 box, and the entire library is available on my Android phone and my roommate's iPod Touch. No extra money spent.

Need cloud storage for music? Amazon gives 5GB for free. Google's service will give at least that if not more - those with Xoom tablets are already enjoying it.

Why is Apple's service going to change things again? Seems like they fell behind on this one.
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Bill Cumming
Tech guy. Ubuntu user, Scottish ^_^
06:25 PM on 06/05/2011
[sarcasm]
yeah!
but...
but...
It's "apple" They are first with every revolutionary new idea (even if they are the very last to think of it...)
[/sarcasm] ^_^
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Mydian01
two by two, hands of blue.
03:53 PM on 06/05/2011
TESTING

Apple products are generally better than other brands

(disclaimer: scientific observation has concluded that this type of bait tends to bring in a generous amount of replies from those who are adamant that apple brand products are made by the devil, and those who use apple products have less than a 4th grade education, while at the same time using such prize products as microsoft windows on generic non-descript hardware)
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SickHippie
No, YOUR micro-bio is empty.
06:50 PM on 06/05/2011
Trolling is an art form.

You're a crap artist.
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J242
Micro-bio? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bio!
11:58 PM on 06/06/2011
It certainly worked on you! lol