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Why Millionaires Who Want Higher Taxes Don't Just Donate Money To The Government


First Posted: 06/08/11 01:40 PM ET Updated: 08/08/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The self-described Patriotic Millionaires who want the government to close its budget gaps with higher taxes on the rich think it's ridiculous to expect wealthy people to just "tax themselves" and donate their extra money to the government.

"The idea that people are just going to send in $1 million or $500,000 or $5 million or something to reduce the national debt is just preposterous on its face," Dennis Mehiel, the founder and chairman of cardboard box manufacturer U.S. Corrugated, said on a conference call with other millionaires this week.

A reporter had asked the millionaires why, if they want the government to take more of their money, don't they just hand it over voluntarily?

"We have a system of compulsory taxation and everybody gets treated the same under the law," Mehiel said. "We disagree with what the law is right now. We think its outcomes are unfair."

Paul Egerman, founder of a medical transcription company called eScription, also scoffed at the suggestion millionaires who advocate for higher taxes should take it upon themselves to send money to the government.

"Running any government is a shared responsibility of its citizens," Egerman said. "Government is not a charity, and you can’t imagine a situation where the Department of Defense runs a bake sale to build an aircraft carrier."

But one Florida man said he didn't mind sending some free cash to Uncle Sam. He thought it was such a good idea that he himself donated $5,000 to the U.S. Treasury this week, according to an email receipt the man shared with HuffPost. The man, who said he does not earn anything near a million dollars a year but is financially quite comfortable, spoke to HuffPost on condition of anonymity for fear of alienating coworkers who might earn less than he does.

Like the Patriotic Millionaires, the man felt he'd benefited unnecessarily from the tax cuts of the early 2000s, which according to left-leaning advocacy group Citizens for Tax Justice have added nearly $2.5 trillion to the national debt. He also said he doesn't like the rise in income inequality over the past few decades.

"After a year watching the gap between the richest and the poorest get greater and greater I finally got really cynical about it," the man said. "We're moving back to the way it was when there was a landed gentry and some small percentage of people own everything and everyone else is dirt poor."

To make his donation, the man went to www.Pay.gov and then found the "Gifts to Reduce the Public Debt" page. Making the donation took a couple minutes.

According to the Treasury Department, the government has received $1.7 million worth of donations to relieve the public debt so far this year. In 2009, it received $3 million worth of donations, the most ever.

But even if each of the nearly 200 millionaires who signed a letter demanding congressional Republicans consider tax increases donated $1 million to the government, they wouldn't put a dent in the government's debt, which currently stands at $14.3 trillion. According to CTJ, if the tax cuts are extended beyond their current expiration date of January 2013, they'll add another $5.5 trillion to the debt.

The cuts disproportionately benefit the richest 1 percent of Americans, according to an analysis by the Tax Policy Center, a project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute.

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WASHINGTON -- The self-described Patriotic Millionaires who want the government to close its budget gaps with higher taxes on the rich think it's ridiculous to expect wealthy people to just "tax thems...
WASHINGTON -- The self-described Patriotic Millionaires who want the government to close its budget gaps with higher taxes on the rich think it's ridiculous to expect wealthy people to just "tax thems...
WASHINGTON -- The self-described Patriotic Millionaires who want the government to close its budget gaps with higher taxes on the rich think it's ridiculous to expect wealthy people to just "tax thems...
WASHINGTON -- The self-described Patriotic Millionaires who want the government to close its budget gaps with higher taxes on the rich think it's ridiculous to expect wealthy people to just "tax thems...
 
 
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mikey09 01:37 PM on 06/08/2011
Sounds silly to me...either your generous or your not, what is the difference from writing a check to the government and one to say Peta....if your generous, just do it. Me, sad, I'd rather that guy gave his 5k to a homeless shelter, all that 5k is going to do is pay for Iraq security or a bom.b for Libya, might even go to Russia for forest fire foreign aid, but it won't go to the debt or domestic  Read More...
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01:00 AM on 06/10/2011
I am middle class ($95K) and I also want to pay more taxes. I get sick and tired of hearing politicians and the media always say that "nobody" wants to pay more taxes. I DO!!
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
02:03 AM on 06/10/2011
Then go ahead!
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02:26 AM on 06/10/2011
Sure, if we all do it together. But I won't pay more by myself just so liberals like you can get a free ride.
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TequilaMockingbird
ALL Hail The Lords of Funk Entropy
10:10 PM on 06/09/2011
Wouldn't it be awesome if a Consortium of Millionaires got together and bought our Collective debt.. Now that could get pretty interesting.. Wait.. Is that what China did??
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TequilaMockingbird
ALL Hail The Lords of Funk Entropy
10:01 PM on 06/09/2011
At least some of Millionaires seem to understand the concept of "Good Rides Cost Extra" Apparently some people somewhere along the line have gotten this strange idea that Rich People Should Not pay taxes on their Unearned Incomes.. !!!!!????? That Work is the only thing worth taxing.. ??? Seriously? And NO..I think having Corporate Millionaires just making Donations to the United States is a TERRIBLE Idea.. and we have enough of that as it is with Donations to Political Candidates,, We don't even need to discuss tax rates being fair.. Let's just discuss closing some of the Loopholes that prevent So MUCH money from being recirculated back into the Economy.. When all the money rich people have doesn't translate back into jobs within their sphere of the Economy, that whole Taxes kills the Economy nonsense just doesn't wash because hoarding it hasn't helped either... So unless they want to pay taxes on all that money, they need to get to spending it so that that money actually means more than blinking numerals on a screen.. Most Rich people I have met and actually there have been quite a few.. When asked about the things they love about America, most of them give me a long answer about how the laws and loopholes and lack of specific regulations in this country have enabled them to get so stinking Rich and with a good enough accountant, they pay little to NO taxes on the Money they earned in America or anywhere else for that matter.. Number One Reason to Love America to Some People,, eh..
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
06:14 PM on 06/09/2011
If you want the government to take in more $$$ why not let states or, for the Federal Interstate Highway System, the Federal government, sell speed limit waivers which would allow drivers to travel at a certain speed above the posted speed "limit"?  You could purchase a "+10 MPH", "+20 MPH", "+30 MPH" certificate good for a limited period of time.  People who purchase high dollar sports and performance vehicles would likely welcome the opportunity to drive them at the speeds they were actually designed for.  They already pay higher sales taxes, insurance fees and sometimes even the so-called "gas-guzzler" tax when they purchase those types of vehicles, so I should suspect they would gladly pay a sizable added fee to be able to legally drive them faster as well.
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TequilaMockingbird
ALL Hail The Lords of Funk Entropy
09:40 PM on 06/09/2011
Whatever money that scheme made would be spent scraping them off the road..
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
05:25 PM on 06/09/2011
i have 2 kids in private school and another starting in the fall....that is like sending in extra money....they wont burden the system with 3 more to teach.
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TequilaMockingbird
ALL Hail The Lords of Funk Entropy
10:06 PM on 06/09/2011
It is.. it is just sad that many Public Schools aren't places where everyone would want to send their children.. I wonder what will happen to the generation of under educated students graduating from Religious Christian Academies .. huh.. I guess they will blend in with the Public School Graduates and American will become known for it's dedication to producing Menial Wage Slaves for your Corporate Disposal..
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
10:37 PM on 06/09/2011
home schooled children are also on the rise...more folks that dont agree with some of the public schools teachings or environment. i dont think under educated is limited to christian academies....those seem to fluctuate with quality just like anything else...ours are in Montessori school which we are very happy with...it has shown to accelerate the executive function in kids.
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randyman99
My micro-bio is empty
04:36 PM on 06/09/2011
There already is a voluntary tax which millions of people, including the poor, already pay into out of their own free will. It's the state-sponsored lotteries.
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wonmean
University of Michigan Class of 2010
03:20 PM on 06/09/2011
Why isn't there a "Taxes are Necessary" party?
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
04:52 PM on 06/09/2011
its an idea....what percentage do you think should be the platform?
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wonmean
University of Michigan Class of 2010
05:02 PM on 06/09/2011
Well, not 35% as it stands now, for starters.

And not burdening only the richest.
The middle class, even as depleted as it is now, must not be exempted automatically.
01:12 PM on 06/09/2011
Democrats say end the Bush era tax cuts for those making over $250,000. If the Democrats are really all for this, why don't they propose a law that ends the Bush era tax cuts for those who are registered Democrat.

Those rich Democrats won't mind because they are already in support of it. The Republicans won't mind because they won't be affected. And President Obama will be happy because he'll have more money to squander, I mean spend.

Who wouldn't love this idea?
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
04:52 PM on 06/09/2011
sounds fair to me.
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Russell Masingale
weary I am of the Astroturf.
11:52 AM on 06/20/2011
how about we just stop sending more federal tax dollars into red states then they pay and that would be fair right? no extra dollars for those who hate the gubmit so much
12:10 PM on 06/09/2011
It's just possible that the ethically minded wealthy people don't want to be scalped by their more acquisitive peers because they're reinvesting in their business in lieu of paying taxes.
11:09 AM on 06/09/2011
This is the worst article ever.
12:01 PM on 06/09/2011
though it does directly raise another question:

why don't we fund the DoD with a bunch of bake sales?
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Dragontech
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01:31 PM on 06/09/2011
Because the amount of cake you'd have to eat to afford one B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber would cause the whole country to be diabetic and obese! And just imagine what the CVX Class aircraft carrier or Ohio Class ballistic missile submarine would do!
03:23 PM on 06/09/2011
Or medicaid or welfare?
10:22 AM on 06/09/2011
What good does them sending in money do if it does nothing to change the tax system and most of their peers still hoard their money and lobby to retain more? The article has an obvious answer and it's what I just said.

And get a clue can-I-join-the-millionaires-club types on these comments boards: They'll never willingly let you join them no matter how much you beg and plead and worship. It's you or them and guess who it's going to be? I say that as a person with a lot of money to spare. The revenue has to come from somewhere and you're seeing the choice now that they're trying to leave grandma at the mercy of the same insurance companies that screw the rest of us.
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AyeChart
Retired Army, half-retired physician
09:56 AM on 06/09/2011
The "Patriotic Millionaires" are a bunch of hypocrites. They are control freaks. They are almost 100% left-wing types who favor using government force to confiscate money and redistribute it. But if they were serious, they would send in their spare change to the government every week, wouldn't they?
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darth geekboy
10:07 AM on 06/09/2011
bootlicker to the kochs.............didn't even read the article, didya?
02:21 PM on 06/09/2011
Can you read? AyeChart said "almost" 100%. Missed that did you? Anyway, I don't see where the Kochs are part of this group at all. Where did you read that the Kochs enter into the discussion at all?
10:22 AM on 06/09/2011
Reading the article helps.
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09:07 AM on 06/09/2011
All the Socialists outta get out their checkbooks and donate!!
08:58 AM on 06/09/2011
Maybe they don't because they are not stup1d.