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Who Really Killed Utah's Healthcare Mandate?

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First Posted: 06/09/11 06:03 PM ET Updated: 08/09/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Former Utah Governor and GOP presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman Jr. wants you to know he hates mandates. In fact, he claims at the very least to have given the cold shoulder to any attempt to include one in his state's 2008 health care reform legislation.

It's a narrative that the former governor pushed during his inaugural glad-handing trek through New Hampshire in May. "I didn't push mandates with the legislature. You want to get that right," he told HuffPost.

Huntsman later elaborated on his role as mandate killer. "You've got to live with the idea of what mandates will do, how people will respond, the benefits or burdens to small business," he said. "And after you argue it with all the experts, then you've got to come up with what you think is the best solution." Huntsman went on to say that he felt mandates are "an unnecessary burden on individuals and on businesses."

But as The Huffington Post has previously reported, Huntsman had favored the individual mandate as early as 2005. The mandate continued to hold currency within his administration for years, and HuffPost has learned the mandate was included in the 2007 draft of the legislation that created Utah's health care reform.

"If we were going to make a successful run at health care reform then everyone had to participate," said State Sen. Gene Davis (D), who serves on the legislature's health care reform task force. "The only way to make that happen is through a mandate. He recognized it. There's going to have to be a mandate."

Davis recalled being aware of the draft bill and said there were discussions that included the mandate idea. "I had discussions about a mandate at that time," he said.

State Sen. Peter Knudson (R), the assistant majority whip who serves on the legislature's health-care reform task force, had a similar recollection of the original bill. Was a mandate included? "Yeah, there was ... We were thinking in terms of making sure there was a health care package affordable to all and we felt perhaps the best way to do that at the time was to include a requirement that it be utilized by all. It was a trial balloon and it didn't fly."

The trial balloon was floated in a Salt Lake Tribune story on Dec. 8, 2007:

"Utah is moving toward a consumer-driven health care system -- which means, as in Massachusetts, residents would take responsibility for buying their own health insurance. The bottom line: Eventually, every Utahn would have to be insured, according to a confidential working draft of Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr.'s three-year plan to retool the state's health system."

Pursuing higher education? You may have to get health insurance before you would be allowed to register for classes.

Unemployed? You might have to get at least a minimal level of health insurance in order to get a job. Once hired, your boss would verify your insurance status -- and check it every quarter."

The Tribune went on to report that the Nov. 28 draft focused on three groups of Utah residents -- including people who did not have insurance but could afford it. The plan would have stipulated that "this group would have to get insurance or face obstacles, possibly in enrolling in university classes or getting a job," the Tribune reported.

The draft bill was circulated among the governor's top advisers and prominent community advocates.

John T. Nielsen, Huntsman's adviser on health care reform, pushed the bill in the Tribune piece suggesting that there might be a tax penalty for those that do not purchase insurance. "I think there are going to be some who view that as oppressive and interfering with personal choice and personal liberties," he told the paper. "But one person does affect another person. The people who simply choose to ignore their personal responsibility -- everyone else has to pay for that."

Nielsen told The Huffington Post that the bill was modeled after Mitt Romney's Massachusetts Connecter plan. "The original early, early iterations of health reform were an attempt to replicate what Massachusetts had done," he explained. "We drafted a bill that looked something like what Massachusetts did that included a mandate. It was just a draft. It was never numbered ... It was a discussion piece."

By the time the health-care reform bill was made public, the mandate was gone. So who really killed Utah's health care mandate?

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Like any good detectives, HuffPost started from the outside and worked its way inward towards a possible suspect. We first talked to the not-so-helpful bystanders.

"I don't recall the mandate," replied Rep. Bradley Daw (R), a former task-force member. "If there were calls for a mandate, it never really made it too far down the road. This is what I believe: You had some advocacy groups that were pushing very hard for a mandate. There's every chance that that found its way into an early draft as a sort of discussion point."

Daw thought the bill's sponsor, Rep. David Clark, could have killed the mandate. So did Rep. David Litvack (D), the minority leader. "My feelings at the time was that the sponsor, Rep. Clark, that he really made the decision not to have the individual mandate there because of the dynamics of the legislature."

Clark, though, refused to confess to killing the mandate. He said that there was simply an anti-mandate consensus among the legislative leadership. Of the mandate: "From a legislative perspective there was no appetite," he said.

After a week of interviews, no one ever mentioned Huntsman as the guy who actually took the mandate off the table. In fact, only one name other than Clark came up -- an insurance industry veteran and state Republican Rep. James Dunnigan.

Dunnigan remembered sitting in a meeting when the mandate was proposed. He couldn't believe it: "I turned to a legislator [and said], 'Are you serious? In Utah? They're talking about a mandate?' "

HuffPost asked Dunnigan whether he was responsible for getting rid of the provision. "OK. I was not a proponent of that for sure," Dunnigan said. "I did comment to some of the people that you have named there: 'I was not ready for that.' I said, 'No.' Furthermore, I said I don't see this getting passed the legislature."

"I was shocked," Dunnigan continued. "Utah is supposed to be a free market, independent state. And we're talking about a mandate? I thought I was in Utah. I didn't think I was in Washington, D.C."

One of the people Dunnigan met with was Nielsen from Huntsman's office. Nielsen confirmed meeting with Dunnigan and others. Nielsen said he didn't think he had a chance of convincing the legislature to support a mandate. Dunnigan and Co. made that crystal clear. "Absolutely never going to happen," Nielsen said Dunnigan told him.

While the mandate has become a harsh early litmus test for GOP presidential hopefuls, history yields messy outcomes. Huntsman can say that he signed a law that created a health care exchange that did not include a mandate. But he also never stepped up and killed the idea. The mandate, after all, had been championed by conservatives, including the Heritage Foundation and his own administration. For a state with 300,000 uninsured residents, a mandate was a tempting, credible fix.

In fact, the bill that Huntsman signed required that the state continue to study the mandate. It has been discussed during health care task force meetings. Rep. Litvack even says the mandate in Utah isn't really dead.

"I don't think the mandate question has been resolved -- whether we as a state will be able to succeed without it," he said. "I think people are avoiding it. I don't think it has been definitively dismissed."

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WASHINGTON -- Former Utah Governor and GOP presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman Jr. wants you to know he hates mandates. In fact, he claims at the very least to have given the cold shoulder to any attemp...
WASHINGTON -- Former Utah Governor and GOP presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman Jr. wants you to know he hates mandates. In fact, he claims at the very least to have given the cold shoulder to any attemp...
 
 
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ObamaLover1
09:23 AM on 06/10/2011
The Dems need to make their argument. Notice how the Republicans have moved away from pulling the plug on Grandma; Job Killing Bill; The Cost will break us. The only argument they now offer against Healthcare Reform is the mandate, I live in NJ, I have buy car Insurance, I have to buy homeowners insurance...and get this, My employers makes me show proof my spous covers me on her healthcare insurance if I rejected their Insurance so there are mandates on healthcare. The Republicans are running out of lies.
ropadopa
Exposing the failed conservative experiment
11:25 PM on 06/09/2011
This is where ideology becomes preposterous. No one I know can argue against the mandate that all kids of a certain age must be in school is necessary. The point is that there are mandates all around us. Laws that demands without exception what we must do. These help to maintain a manageable society. To say we are against mandates period is absurd but this is where the Republican party is at this time.
09:54 PM on 06/09/2011
He sounds like a hero to me

I don't know what has happened to the democratic party in the last few years but I have no idea why they are all backing this conservative policy. If someone doesn't have health insurance its not becuase they are trying to mooch off the government, it is because they don't have the money (or barely enough) to buy it. Requiring them to buy it anyway is a ridiculous idea that will only push people into more debt


And then of course the main problem was not even addressed at all Even if you have health insurance you can still go bankrupt if you get sick. These auto insurance style minimum coverage plans being proposed are npt good plans
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Lizzy28
Too bad he's got a mop instead of a wand.
11:21 PM on 06/09/2011
If they don't have the money, they can get medicaid. Without insurance, who do you suppose pays the bill?

The minimum coverage plans being proposed -- are you referring to the junk policies that would open up if state lines were opened up as Rs have proposed?
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Dan Parker
Need jambalaya
01:24 AM on 06/10/2011
Have you tried applying for Medicaid? Or any other governmental medical assistance?
08:38 AM on 06/10/2011
Yes minimum covereage plans. Just like auto insurance

If you set a mandate that everyone must have insurance, then you are going to have to set a bare minimum level of insurance, which if you actually got sick probably wouln't really pay ther bills for. Just like auto insurance, if you have minimum coverage and you crash, you are usually screwed/ Its either going to have to be a high deductable or low total coverage.
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Daryl Pienta
Not a fan of the far righ...errr. wrong wing
08:39 AM on 06/10/2011
and without this mandate me and you pay more more more
09:05 AM on 06/10/2011
not at all

It just moves the burden from the taxpayer to the indivdual
Or in other words, exactly what the democrats are supposed to be against
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GiveMittAChance
Barefoot in Arizona
09:23 PM on 06/09/2011
People on both sides attack Huntsman and Romney on the most trivial things. Do you guys ever stop and think, "Wow, we sure do hold these Mormons to a high standard." "Maybe we should give them a chance to lead our Nation since we hold them to such a HIGH standard."

Does that thought ever cross your minds?
11:09 PM on 06/09/2011
No, not in the slightest.
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Lizzy28
Too bad he's got a mop instead of a wand.
11:23 PM on 06/09/2011
If you're running for office, you should be held to a high standard.
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Steve Rockett
09:21 PM on 06/09/2011
Republicans have to be contortionists to be who they were and now kiss the butts of the tea gaggers, while reaching into the corporate purses, and appeasing the likes of every right wing whacko out there. Serves them right for lacking the courage of their convictions. I am a liberal democrat, but I long for the days of the Eisenhower republican. At least they were sane--misguided, but sane.
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GiveMittAChance
Barefoot in Arizona
09:20 PM on 06/09/2011
If individual States want universal, single payer healthcare, then let them do it! I'm sure Mitt Romney will even help you guys out. However, you can not MAKE States do it!

How flipping hard is that for Liberals and Conservatives to understand? You guys really can't just use some ole fasion common sense?
11:11 PM on 06/09/2011
Federal law trumps State law in every case they conflict. If the Federal government passes health care without an exemption for State plans, the Feds win. Substitute reading the Constitution for common sense and you'll win more court battles.
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Daryl Pienta
Not a fan of the far righ...errr. wrong wing
08:42 AM on 06/10/2011
The hell we can't..... and we will.
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Zeroes
08:53 PM on 06/09/2011
Yawning
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myrtle1909
I am an artist and a free lance writer
08:18 PM on 06/09/2011
What do you expect from a man who would work for a President then run against him. I guess it had it's benefits got him a lot of name recognition, but I think that's all it will ever get him.
Everyone should have insurance and to say that it will cost more is rediculous. people will just use emergency rooms for health care and the tax payers will end up footing the bill.
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Deb Jesser
For What It's Worth
08:43 PM on 06/09/2011
All the same, for Utah he was about as good as it gets here-- the wingnuttiest place in all of wingnuttieism.
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GiveMittAChance
Barefoot in Arizona
09:14 PM on 06/09/2011
It takes one to know one.
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tcnsrq
excuse me
08:09 PM on 06/09/2011
he'll be losing Rush' endorsement tomorrow the way Romney did today
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mancoff
08:03 PM on 06/09/2011
Huntsman like all republicans are trying to weasel out of the fact, they pushed mandates, they got government run health care for their States, and their States are loving it. If these men were the patriotic and country loving Americans they profess to be, they would stand tall and say we did it in our States, the people in our States are benefiting greatly from it and we want everyone in the country to enjoy the benefits of it. But then that would make Obama right and the country can just go to hell in a hand basket before these Republican wanna be's would say Obama is right. Republicans always put Party first, Country be dammed, they always have and they always will. Only fools want to give the government back to them. If they get in their hands again they will body slam the middle class, the poor and minorities, into the ground and next time we won't get back up, ever......................
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smallpawsdk
Obama 2012
08:03 PM on 06/09/2011
How can someone have insurance before they get a job. They don't have the money to do that yet. How stupid is that...
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Turtlenewz
11:51 PM on 06/09/2011
Not necessarily
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John Shaw
07:57 PM on 06/09/2011
For it before he was against it. How Republican...
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alpaig
10:51 PM on 06/09/2011
Kind of like how we got single payer or public option? FISA? Patriot Act? Gitmo? Bush tax cuts? Those ring a bell?
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Turtlenewz
11:58 PM on 06/09/2011
Obama 2012
07:46 PM on 06/09/2011
The mandate was a REPUBLICAN idea! See, if Congress would go with the liberal proposal, which is single payer, people would voluntarily sign up because it costs less while providing more care.
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GiveMittAChance
Barefoot in Arizona
09:15 PM on 06/09/2011
If it rained Skittles, I would be a happy.
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Dan Parker
Need jambalaya
01:34 AM on 06/10/2011
I think it's already been raining Skittles in your world for a little too long.
09:56 PM on 06/09/2011
that's true it was a republican idea

So why are you democrats all supporting it?

You seem to know that it is a bad plan
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1oldhippie
yes, WE can!
07:46 PM on 06/09/2011
How do the two, healthcare loving, Mormons, fit into the GOP/TP ?
Seems Cain might be a better choice, except for his, um, skin tone.
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GiveMittAChance
Barefoot in Arizona
09:28 PM on 06/09/2011
We don't fit it. A lot of Mormons are liberal thinking. Joseph Smith Jr. was an abolitionist in 1831. I'm not sure how much more liberal you can get than an abolitionist in 1831. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was the first Church to have "mixed" congregations.

Again, we are a Liberal people. I know many Mormons who marched for Civil Rights. I sure as heck would have!
11:15 PM on 06/09/2011
Except that black people were excluded from the priesthood until 1978.
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Turtlenewz
11:54 PM on 06/09/2011
and many many Mormons fought against gay Marriage
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Turtlenewz
12:00 AM on 06/10/2011
and Cain cannot enter a foreign policy question
madame48
NO..it's a gop Cookbook !Tempus edax,homo edacior
07:40 PM on 06/09/2011
the GOP is so used to having clones who"believe without fact" that they forget there is actually video and newsprint to refute them