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How MSNBC Is Surviving After Olbermann

DAVID BAUDER   06/19/11 06:08 PM ET   AP

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NEW YORK — Keith Olbermann essentially invented the present-day MSNBC, but he didn't take it with him when he left.

As Olbermann prepares for his debut on Current TV on Monday night, the MSNBC he left behind has survived; its boss says it has thrived. The prime-time focus on left-of-center political talk show hosts that began with Olbermann's transformation to on-air activist remains. Rachel Maddow, once Olbermann's protege, has taken over as the network's marquee name.

So far this year, MSNBC's average weekday prime-time audience is 965,000 viewers, or 10 percent more than last year over the same period, the Nielsen Co. says. Fox, easily the market leader with 2.4 million viewers, is down 12 percent in the same comparison, and third-place CNN is up 10 percent, with 770,000 viewers.

"I was surprised that we did not dip at all," said Phil Griffin, MSNBC's chief executive. "I was prepared for a 10 percent dip."

Dig deeper into the numbers and the picture isn't quite as clear. Viewership at 8 p.m. following Jan. 24, when Lawrence O'Donnell took over following Olbermann's abrupt departure, is down 6 percent from last year, Nielsen says. Ed Schultz's 10 p.m. hour is up 29 percent over last year, but MSNBC in early 2010 aired an Olbermann rerun at that hour, meaning Schultz's audience of 884,000 is being compared with recycled material a year earlier.

There's nothing uncertain about Maddow's ascension. She has 1.05 million viewers, on average, this year, a bump of 100,000 over a year before.

"She really has elevated the discussion and is in many ways the model that we want for cable news," Griffin said.

Maddow has been the constant in MSNBC's prime-time lineup. O'Donnell, who had gotten his own show after delivering strong ratings as a guest host for Olbermann, moved from 10 p.m. Eastern to 8 p.m. after Olbermann left. Schultz had been working earlier in the evening and got his shot in prime time.

Each man has attracted attention in recent months for some overheated commentary. In O'Donnell's case, he went hard after "Celebrity Apprentice" star Donald Trump during the real estate mogul's flirtation with a presidential candidacy. O'Donnell called Trump "the most deranged egomaniac" in NBC entertainment history.

Schultz was suspended for a week in May after referring to conservative host Laura Ingraham as a "right-wing slut" while on his radio show. He apologized for the remark.

MSNBC is still a destination for liberal viewers, but there's some disappointment that network personalities aren't more challenging to the Obama administration and Democratic orthodoxy, said Jeff Cohen, an Ithaca College journalism professor and liberal activist. He said there hasn't been enough debate about military action in Afghanistan and Libya.

"I would argue that it was more independent when Olbermann was there," Cohen said. "His charm, if you can call it that, is that he's uncontrollable. He's not a party-line guy."

MSNBC is facing the same issue that Fox News had during the Bush administration: It's not as exciting being on defense when the party you support is in power as it is being on the outs and on the attack, said Tim Graham of the conservative Media Research Center.

"Now it's, `Let's not make trouble for these people. They have enough to handle with angry conservatives,'" he said.

Griffin said that analysis is flat-out wrong. He said there was extensive debate among MSNBC hosts about the extension of President George W. Bush's tax cuts, for example. Network personalities also harshly criticized the Obama administration for not fighting Wisconsin legislation that unions considered harmful, he said.

"We are not a rubber stamp, and it would be wrong for anybody to imply otherwise," he said.

Even if he hasn't been on the air, Olbermann has been critical of the Obama administration. He released a video on Current's website in April saying the administration's decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a military procedure instead of civilian court was wrong.

The big test for MSNBC comes this week as Olbermann begins competing head-to-head against the man who was once his substitute host. MSNBC has an advantage in reach because the network is available in more than 95 million of the nation's nearly 115 million homes with television. Current TV is in some 60 million, often hidden way up the network dials.

Griffin won't talk about Olbermann or his Current show.

He's bullish on MSNBC, though, and predicted that within a couple of years his network would even be able to seriously challenge ratings leader Fox in certain hours.

"MSNBC has established a sensibility, a position, a platform," he said. "MSNBC stands for something and MSNBC is really the place to go for progressives and people who are looking for smart, thoughtful analysis. We're growing, and we're putting real effort behind it."

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EDITOR'S NOTE – David Bauder can be reached at dbauder(at)ap.org

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NEW YORK — Keith Olbermann essentially invented the present-day MSNBC, but he didn't take it with him when he left. As Olbermann prepares for his debut on Current TV on Monday night, the MSNBC ...
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02:05 PM on 06/24/2011
Hard to imagine life without Keith. Glad he's back, albeit on a network that seems to have little else, & recycles Keith every 2 hours. Rachel & O'Donnell however, seem much more together personally, which comes across on their broadcasts. MSNBC has little to worry about. No, Rachel will not join Keith. She is blossoming in the big leagues. She is the Mozart of liberal cable news!
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tcdsconward
04:22 PM on 06/21/2011
PROPS FOR LAWRENCE HE IS SMARTER THAN KEITH I LOVE AL LOF THE MSNBC CLUB
02:59 PM on 06/21/2011
Those MSNBC "viewer figures" are very misleading. I (and a number of my friends and colleagues that I am aware of) watch MSNBC frequently, but it isn't because I like or agree with what the hosts are saying. It's because I want to see just how far out the liberal lunatic fringe really is. It is interesting and entertaining.
04:02 PM on 06/21/2011
The reverse is true too. Many people watch Fox just to see what they are up to and to catch the mistakes they make and lies they tell. I'm told it's very entertaining.
06:47 PM on 06/21/2011
I agree. The lunatic right is just as scary as the lunatic left. I watch Fox for the same reason--entertainment.

What ever happened to serious, professional news channels? CNN is all show biz now. Actually, if I want serious news, I watch the BBC.
12:42 PM on 06/21/2011
Surviving after Olbermann?? They are thriving since he was kicked off the network.
He is soooo annoying and turned so many people off. Like his ex wives and ex girfriends (including Dan Patrick) they are MUCH BETTER OFF NOW !!!!
12:10 PM on 06/21/2011
GOP - Never having to think for oneself.
Independent - To lazy to take a good look at the issues and make a decision.
DEMS - Smart enough but has to be forced to do anything.
11:10 AM on 06/22/2011
seriously?? lol you must be a member of the Neshaminy teacher's union. Lets try this one again.

GOP- clinging to the past for better or worse
Independent- most intelligent, thoughtful and reasonable on most issues
DEMS- those closest to the middle not bad....the rest? gimme gimme gimee or living in bizzaro land.
11:34 AM on 06/21/2011
Lawrence O'Donnell's show has recently become the "Sarah Palin - Anthony Weiner" scandal sheet. Keith Olbermann was really refreshing last night - some news on the wars and some liberal-based commentary on current political issues. Think I'll be tuning in to Current TV - I'm really not interested in hearing about Sarah Palin for a half hour every night.
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Grannysue
Been around for awhile!
09:52 AM on 06/21/2011
Love Rachel, Ed's OK, Odonnel, well, now that Keith's back, see ya!
06:51 AM on 06/21/2011
I think the saying for government goes “the people get what they ask for”….I feel it’s the same thing with the media….we get what we want…given our society is made up primarily of morons, that our country is edging into 3rd world status, that are education system breeds children that can’t read or add 2+2…that people who work hard and make money are to be despised; and that hand-outs are a a g-d given right.in the USA; that our liberties are being trampled upon; it makes sence to me that people would buy into the msnbc liberal bias;or the mindless ranting of FOX; just as they buy into the Huffington Post; ; ….Anybody that compares msnbc to fox is nuts; it the same as comparing the Times to the Post…They all suck…especially msnbc…as Eddie bashes corporations, he works for one…Chris Mathews is dumb as the day is long…Larry needs medical help…and Rachael, although good..is like watching my 3rd grade teacher making happy happy….just as Ohberman bitches about conservatives, and corporate policy…he loves to go into baseball stadiums built by and sponsored by big oil companies….All of these guys wear 1000.00 suits…Did you ever watch C-span….and our wonderful reps who say nothing, but look real snazzy in there expensive close, fancy cars, and on and on...watch the BBC if you want objective news …Or read Alferd E Neuman’s Mad Magazine (does it still exist)….
12:03 PM on 06/21/2011
I can see why you have no fans
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123dee
Forward America - Obama 2012
03:18 AM on 06/21/2011
Keith was great tonight, especially liked Marcos input. As far as ratings,now that their is
an alternative, we'll see. Phil Griffin not a very smart people person or business man.
08:00 PM on 06/20/2011
Well MSNBC audience did not drop because Dems had no where else to go. That could all change as Current TV kicks it in gear.
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Althea Lewis
07:55 PM on 06/20/2011
Fox news versus MSNBC... No comparison.... one smart, the other not so smart... Shouldn't be too hard to figure out which is which..... GO MSNBC!!!
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08:38 PM on 06/20/2011
What a great analysis; you must be one of the smart ones!
10:03 PM on 06/20/2011
ommitting words from the pledge is a sick thing only a lefty would do. And I'm not even religious>
shame on you NBC.
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UncleJimbo
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11:53 PM on 06/20/2011
Adding Words in the mid-50's was S!CK!......Always Shoving It down our Throats!
04:09 PM on 06/21/2011
If the Pledge is so sacrosanct it should never have been amended in 1954! Many people who learned it before 1954 prefer the original Pledge, and religion has nothing to do with it.
06:50 PM on 06/20/2011
Not surprised that he's not really missed.  He spit and ranted too much.
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twfslc
06:40 PM on 06/20/2011
Here's the difference between Fox and MSNBC. MSNBC has people who come across as very smug and very intellectual. If you aren't a liberal, it's probably because you aren't as smart as them, raised in an intellecutally-stimulating environment, and attended state universities rather than elite private schools.

At Fox, no one really knows why they are conservative. Or, they just say that they grew up on a conservative family where Democrat was 4-letter word. Just don't try to tell them they are wrong, because they know they are right.
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
06:57 PM on 06/20/2011
Of course we know why they are umm conservative..Republican=Rightwing Extremist=Racist...
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08:36 PM on 06/20/2011
Is that supposed to be funny? What are you, twelve?
cellarette
reading the writing on the wall...all of it.
06:34 PM on 06/20/2011
I liked Rachel the first time I saw her on Olbermann's show. She's just an intelligent person -which is all too rare on TV. As for the others, yeah, Ed is a little broad at times, but then I'm not sure it's a bad thing to have an opposite for say, O'Reilly or Beck or Limbaugh or for a manufactured Independent like Lou Dobbs. O'Donnell isn't bad either, but neither is as interesting as Keith. When it comes to the "Worst Person"...someone said they found it kitchy, but I don't think that was unintended. Some days, listening to the news, it just feels good to yell out "The Worst Person in the WORLD !!!" Instead of kitchy, maybe mildly cathartic. Meanwhile, Countdown set to autotune at 7 PM.
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
07:00 PM on 06/20/2011
Ahh absolutely spot on..am sitting here with one eye on the TV and it's 61 mins to go..
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bobncar
for the good of all, not just the chosen few
05:44 PM on 06/20/2011
Countdown to 2 hours-15 minutes.