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Taxing Internet Sales: States Seek To Collect

Internet Sales Taxes

By CHRIS TOMLINSON   06/19/11 08:37 PM ET   AP

AUSTIN, Texas -- State governments across the country are laying off teachers, closing public libraries and parks, and reducing health care services, but there is one place they could get $23 billion a year if they could only agree how to do it: Internet retailers such as Amazon.com.

That's enough to pay for the salaries of more than 46,000 teachers, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. In California, the amount of uncollected taxes from Amazon sales alone is roughly the same amount cut from child welfare services in the current state budget.

But collecting those taxes from major online retailers is difficult.

Internet retailers are required to collect sales tax only when they sell to customers living in a state where they have a physical presence, such as a store or office. When consumers order from out-of-state retailers, they are required under state law to pay the tax. But it's difficult to enforce and rarely happens.

That means under the current system the seller is absolved of responsibility, buyers save 3 percent to 9 percent because they rarely volunteer to pay the sales tax, and the state loses revenue.

With sales tax revenue slumping more than 30 percent in most states between 2007 and 2010, lawmakers across the country are grasping for ways to collect those unpaid taxes. Retailers and lawmakers in several states have proposed ways to solve the problem, some with more support than others.

"The problem is that some out-of-state e-retailers openly flaunt the law, arguing that it doesn't apply to them," said Texas state Democratic Rep. Elliot Naishtat, who has offered a bill to require more Internet sellers to collect Texas sales tax. "It's about potentially generating hundreds of millions of dollars for our state."

Texas cut $24 billion in state services to cover its revenue shortfall. That included decisions not to fund the expected growth in the number of public school students and the expected growth in the caseload for Medicaid, the health care program for the poor and disabled.

Internet retailers cite a 1992 U.S. Supreme Court decision involving catalog sales, Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, which ruled that states could require only companies that had a physical presence within the state to act as tax collector.

To get around the ruling, some states are expanding what it means to be physically present. For example, an online retailer hiring a marketing firm or owning a subsidiary inside the state would qualify under definitions adopted in some states.

In February, the Texas comptroller demanded that Amazon.com pay $269 million in back sales taxes because a subsidiary operated a warehouse near Dallas. Amazon is appealing the order.

Last year, New York enacted a law that said Internet retailers' practice of paying commissions to marketing agents based within the state constituted a presence. Arkansas, Colorado, Illinois, Rhode Island and North Carolina quickly followed with similar laws.

Bills are pending in Arizona, California, Florida, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Pennsylvania. Texas lawmakers passed such a measure, but Gov. Rick Perry vetoed it. Now legislators are trying to resurrect the bill by attaching it to a larger budget measure. The matter is now before a conference committee.

California estimates it loses at least $200 million a year in uncollected tax from online sales, $83 million from Amazon.com alone. A bill that has passed the state Legislature would force Seattle-based Amazon and others to collect that tax from California residents.

Amazon, Overstock.com and other big Internet retailers cite the Quill decision as their primary defense against collecting sales taxes, but they also argue that collecting tax in the District of Columbia and the 45 states where a sales tax exists would be extremely complex and expensive.

"There are over 8,000 taxing jurisdictions in the United States," said Jonathan Johnson, president of Overstock.com, which has offices only in Utah. "We think it's wrong that states are trying to cause out-of-state retailers to be their tax collectors."

After all, Johnson said, these retailers do not use any state services where they don't have offices.

To avoid having to collect sales tax, Amazon threatened to close its warehouse in Texas, cut off marketing affiliates in Illinois and North Carolina and sued New York claiming the law there is unconstitutional.

Earlier this month, Amazon severed ties with website affiliates in Connecticut after the governor signed into law a state tax on online purchases that is expected to raise $9.4 million.

The movement by states to force online retailers to collect sales taxes is more than just an attempt by government to get more money. It also highlights a rift in the business community.

Traditional retailers are complaining loudly to their elected officials, saying the current structure creates an unfair playing field.

Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, J.C. Penney, Sears and other traditional retailers have formed The Alliance for Main Street Fairness to push for more stringent tax laws on Internet retailers. Brick-and-mortar stores saw sales plunge 9.1 percent between 2007-2009, while online merchants saw sales rise 4.8 percent, according to the latest data available from the U.S. Census Bureau. Wal-Mart's comparable store sales were down nearly 1 percent in 2010.

The alliance is pushing to expand the definition of physical presence, state-by-state, to force big online retailers to collect state sales tax.

When Texas lawmakers took up such a bill, most of the testimony came from owners of small businesses. Gregg Burger, the general manager of Austin's Precision Camera, complained that customers come into his store to inspect the products, but then go online to buy them to avoid the sales tax.

"We get people all the time who come in, talk to a salesman for 15 minutes to half an hour ... and then go, and we know they are going to buy it online because they can save money. In theory, they are stealing our time," Burger said. "We're losing at least 15 percent to online, out-of-state, so we're losing anywhere between $3 million and $5 million a year in business."

While state laws would help, Burger said he would like to see a national solution.

"We should be picking on everyone who ships into every state," he said.

But local Internet marketers that link to major Internet retailers complain the laws would hurt them. In Illinois and other states where such laws have passed, Internet retailers cut their ties with local web sites.

Johnson, of Overstock, said the traditional retail giants are just getting a taste of their own medicine.

"Local retailers complained that the big-box stores were coming in and taking their business, and the Wal-Marts of the world said they had a better business model and the world has changed," Johnson said. "Today, the business model has changed and we can take cost out of the supply chain by doing business the way we do on the Internet. And for Wal-Mart, of all people, to be saying it's not fair that Amazon and Overstock can't be forced to be tax collectors is ironic."

Representatives for Wal-Mart and Target declined to comment for this story.

While the U.S. Supreme Court sided with online retailers in its Quill decision, the ruling also said Congress should pass a law standardizing sales tax collection under the Interstate Commerce Clause. Perry, the pro-business and states-rights Texas governor, said in his veto message that a national solution is the only way to settle the issue.

Traditional retailers have lobbied for the Main Street Fairness Act, which was reintroduced in Congress this spring by Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois. The act would be "a helping hand to state and local governments at a time that they need it the most," he said.

While few think the Republican-controlled House of Representatives will pass a bill that critics have called "a tax on the Internet," the sudden flurry of action in state legislatures and lobbying by big retailers could provide a boost to efforts to pass such a law, even among conservatives.

Those lawmakers find themselves in a bind between opposing taxes and supporting traditional businesses.

"Republicans and Democrats alike recognize that there is an inequity here," said Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the Alliance for Main Street Fairness.

A component of the proposed federal law is a requirement for states to adopt the Streamlined Sales and Use Tax Agreement, which would standardize sales tax laws and filing requirements for Internet retailers. To sweeten the pot, states would reimburse companies for any additional costs involved in collecting it.

Already, 24 states have adopted the streamlined sales tax, while 1,500 companies have voluntarily collected $700 million in sales tax revenue since 2005 using the system, said Scott Peterson, executive director of the Streamlined Sales Tax Governing Board. The volunteer retailers represent only a fraction of online sales.

Overstock's Johnson and Paul Misener, vice president for global public policy at Amazon, said they would support a national standard using the Streamlined Sales and Use Tax Agreement.

"We've long supported a truly simple, national approach, evenhandedly applied," Misener said. "This is federalism at work, and many states are making the right decision to seek a federal solution."

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11:15 AM on 06/20/2011
This isn't about "saving teacher jobs". Honestly, if you want to "save teacher jobs", cut military spending. That's it; that's the answer. Spend less on military. The US spends more than nearly EVERY OTHER COUNTRY COMBINED on military. Take even 10% of what the US spends on military, and I'm willing to bet you can hire every laid off teacher back.
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LeaderofMen
Bilingual former US Marine.
07:52 AM on 06/20/2011
If the current tax code states that a retailer must have a physical presence in a state, and a customer purchases something from out of state, and does NOT pay a local state tax, it is NOT true that that state is LOSING tax revenue.
02:07 AM on 06/20/2011
Maybe states should reduce their sales tax.. Go talk to NH for a lesson on taxes.
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leorangerie
02:03 AM on 06/20/2011
If the goal is push business from Amazon to local, then levy the tax. Like a trade tariff.
11:12 AM on 06/20/2011
The problem there is interstate commerce was prevented from leveraging taxes against other states for this VERY reason - to avoid interstate tariffs. Go read history...

"But... New Jersey blacksmiths make better iron pots, so New York has to impose taxes on New Jersey goods so New York blacksmiths can compete!"

Do you see where that is problematic???
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johnny g locker
12:55 AM on 06/20/2011
California has a spending problem, not a taxing problem. They spend like drunk sailors on R&R.

Taking money from citizens is not the answer. It only makes the citizens poorer and less able to live their lives.
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healthanalyst
Banned from commenting, so?
12:54 AM on 06/20/2011
Wal Mart and Target will have a say once they unionize their employees. Until then, they can pound sand.
12:15 AM on 06/20/2011
Awesome, CA is also "losing" billions by not seizing the assets of its citizens...
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Reaganite60
Don't tread on me.
11:48 PM on 06/19/2011
Amazon has made it clear that if California taxes internet sales they will move what locations they have out of the state resulting in even more job losses thanks to liberalism. Here is yet another precedent where government is stealing money from the private sector to fund big government.

California has a dying economy because of liberalism. Six businesses leave the state every week and California has consistently ranked at the bottom in terms of states with business friendly policies, encompassing the punishing panacea of taxes, regulations and legal liabilities driven by the ambulance chasing trial lawyers. Even Hollywood is moving to other states or foreign countries altogether because the state has been taxing the living daylights out of movie production for years.

We pay the highest state income tax rate, the highest sales tax, the highest vehicle licensing fees and the highest property taxes in the country. California residents have had enough. Is it any wonder why the state has such a high unemployment rate? We're a solid blue state with liberalism run amok.
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whoknew---
12:11 AM on 06/20/2011
You are WRONG.

Nobody is "stealing money from the private sector" that particular private sector should be collecting sales tax especially if they are in California. That is the law and it is pretty much the same in most other states.

Your prejudice clouds your judgment.
12:16 AM on 06/20/2011
You are incorrect they should only collect sales tax if the buyer resides in CA
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planetjeffy
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
12:18 AM on 06/20/2011
If you don't like it here...I suggest you leave.
CA is a great place to live and do business. There is more opportunity in SoCal, than in most countries - all within a 4 hour drive. CA's budget problems are no worse than Texas and the average joe doesn't even notice them.
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Reaganite60
Don't tread on me.
12:53 AM on 06/20/2011
I am in the process of leaving. Liberalism has destroyed California to the point of no return. A lot of businesses are leaving as well. Those that get left behind will face confiscatory rates of taxation in order to give welfare and entitlements to worthless illegal immigrants and their social service leeching children.
11:31 PM on 06/19/2011
The state govt just want to line up their pockets with more money by coming up with ways the public can pay taxes. How much of it really goes to the deficit? 10%? The politicians than take the rest of the money for "business expenses."
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ddemos
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11:26 PM on 06/19/2011
Yeah...that's what I always say...we don't pay enough sales tax here in LA...

Why don't we get down to the real issue that our state and local politicians don't know how to govern worth a damn...More corruption and mismanaged tax payer funds than anyone even knows about...but... sure make me pay sales tax on the internet too...

That will help pay teacher's salaries...
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Reaganite60
Don't tread on me.
11:50 PM on 06/19/2011
Let's not forget city employees here in L.A. filling up their gas tanks on taxpayers' dime.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/04/28/investigation-uncovers-city-employees-driving-on-your-dime/
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kylesgrandma
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11:08 PM on 06/19/2011
This is how I feel about taxing internet shopping. If the funds collected go directly to school kids, teachers and supplies FOR THE STUDENTS I will still shop online. I am low income but education
is important to me. If not then small businesses and Border's as well as Barnes and Noble will
again have my business.
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LuLou Murder
Don't robocall me if you want my vote
12:25 AM on 06/20/2011
But the big box retailers usually have sales tax abatements in place as part of their lease. You think WalMart builds a new store without one of those deals in place?
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kylesgrandma
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12:50 AM on 06/20/2011
Since I have never shopped in a Walmart store I wouldn't know what tax relief they receive. I tend to shop at small businesses. Because I'm plus size I do shop internet for clothes.
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healthanalyst
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12:57 AM on 06/20/2011
Yeah they got a tax abatement and all sorts of treats for their store in Redlands. then the economy tanked and the city was holding the bag. Think Wally World cared?
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Steamboater
Forget hope. Agitate.
10:37 PM on 06/19/2011
A lott of use used items are sold on Amazon for example e.g., books, DVDs etc. Those shouldn't be taxed and enither shoul dtax be paid on an item frm a store if that store isn't loctaed as well n the state where you live. They can tax all this but in the end, sales will drop. As it is, if you buy something on Ebay and it's not even a commerical sale but a sale from an individual, CA taxes you.  There's always Craigslist though. Buy it and who knows about the sale having taken place.
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AG creative
Ba Gawk!
10:34 PM on 06/19/2011
This is so awesome! Tax the commoners trying to save a few bucks online (less shipping) and give corporations and wealthy families all the loopholes they can eat.
10:28 PM on 06/19/2011
The problem is that taxes go into a general fund that goes towards expenses and there's no guarantee that the money will go to hiring teachers directly It maybe spent on existing programs. The money can go anywhere when you have needs everywhere.
12:17 AM on 06/20/2011
It is going to go to corruption...
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Phalanxman
Everything in Moderation
10:25 PM on 06/19/2011
More flawed logic. You can't "lose" what you never "had." California, and all the other 49 states, don't "lose" any revenue from Internet sales because they never "had" them to begin with. What they have "lost" is the taxes that may have been collected at retail outlets. So too bad. And even if California was able to collect that 200 million, it would hardly put a dent in its annual multi-million dollar budget shortfalls.
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Ba Gawk!
10:34 PM on 06/19/2011
Yeah if we had that 200 mill, we could support the Afghan war for like 20 minutes, or pay off 1/16th of our debt
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Phalanxman
Everything in Moderation
01:01 AM on 06/20/2011
I'm sure you meant 1/16th of one percent.
11:55 PM on 06/19/2011
"When consumers order from out-of-state retailers, they are required under state law to pay the tax. But it's difficult to enforce and rarely happens."

They have always been entitled to that money; it's just not enforced on the consumer end. Still, I agree that it's sad we're going after consumers of everyday items when the super rich are barely taxed.
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healthanalyst
Banned from commenting, so?
12:58 AM on 06/20/2011
avoiding taxes has been the American way, since oh, 1773 or so, you know the real Tea Party...
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Phalanxman
Everything in Moderation
01:00 AM on 06/20/2011
Another result from under-taxing the filthy rich is that the lower classes end up paying a greater portion of their incomes in taxes. Right now, for most people who earn between $50 - $100k per year, between income taxes, social security and medicare, disability, unemployment, sales taxes, gas taxes, property taxes, auto taxes and fees, road tolls, and etc., the gov't takes between 40 and 50%. This can not long endure.