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Obama Mulls Afghanistan Troop Reductions, Taliban Negotiations

Afghan Negotiate

First Posted: 06/20/11 06:52 PM ET Updated: 08/20/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Behind the debate over the speed and scope of the Obama administration's promised troop drawdown from Afghanistan is a complex calculation of how a reduced U.S. military presence would affect prospects for negotiations.

President Obama is due to announce his decision on troop reductions on Wednesday, ahead of his scheduled visit on Thursday to Fort Drum, N.Y., the home of the Army's 10th Mountain Division which has made multiple deployments to Afghanistan.

"He's finalizing his decision. He's reviewing his options," White House spokesman Jay Carney said Monday.

Announcing a big troop reduction -- for example, 10,000 of the 100,000 Americans now serving in Afghanistan -- might send a message to the Taliban to not bother with negotiations. Too small a withdrawal means President Obama could risk losing what remains of the American public's support for a U.S. role in Afghanistan that might have to continue through years of negotiations.

After a decade of war, it's become clear neither side can land a knockout blow on the battlefield, and that some form of negotiated settlement is needed to end the fighting with an outcome that preserves the most important American goals: a stable Afghanistan that can deny sanctuary to violent Islamist groups like al Qaeda and the most radical elements of the Taliban.

A negotiated settlement is also seen as critical in preventing the region from sliding back into the bloody civil war of the 1980s and 1990s that rocked the region and incubated the Taliban and al Qaeda.

A strong and continuing U.S. military presence -- providing security while building Afghanistan's army and police -- would be essential muscle driving the Taliban to talks and keeping them there, diplomatic experts say. It's the heavy weight that would enable American diplomats to tell baulking Taliban negotiators to go stuff it.

"You have to have an alternative to negotiations,'' veteran diplomatic troubleshooter James Dobbins told The Huffington Post. "You need to be able to tell the Taliban that if we get an agreement there's all kinds of benefits for them, but we don't need an agreement." Dobbins negotiated settlements to the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo and set up Afghanistan's postwar government in 2002.

The Taliban, said Dobbins, "need to know we can just walk away.''

As Obama makes his decision about the size and timing of a draw-down of American troops, "the insurgents certainly will be watching -- gauging the durability of the American commitment'' in Afghanistan, said Dobbins.

No negotiations are currently underway, But "very preliminary'' contacts and discussions involving American and other diplomats and the Taliban have been held for several weeks, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said over the weekend. Although senior administration officials are wary of taking part in formal negotiations under an international facilitator such as a United Nations envoy, the concept of a negotiated settlement has wide backing. "We have all said all along that a political outcome is the way most of the wars end,'' Gates explained Sunday on CNN.

Or, as retired Army Lt. Gen. David W. Barno put it, "We can't rub them out and they [the Taliban] haven't been able to take any cities.'' Barno, a senior advisor at the Center for a New American Strategy, a centrist think tank, commanded U.S. and allied combat troops in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005. "Nobody on 'our' side is talking about victory now,'' Barno observed, adding: "We had it eight years ago, and squandered it.''

Now, managing war-weary domestic public opinion while bringing the war to a satisfactory conclusion will require tricky presidential footwork, said Jeffrey Laurenti, a senior expert on negotiations at the Century Foundation in New York. "A precipitous draw-down this year would run the risk of being seen as a sign of intent to depart regardless of success at negotiations,'' said Laurenti, author of a forthcoming book on Afghanistan. "At least through this year's fighting season, you want to maintain as close to a complete military capability as possible.''

As the two sides navigate warily toward negotiations, the opinions of the elite in Afghanistan matter as much as American domestic opinion, according to a survey of 122 Afghan political, military and economic leaders. "Afghans across different groups see the United States as a key party to the conflict whose direct participation in a peace process is crucial to its success,'' said Hamish Nixon, an Afghan expert whose report was published by the U.S. Institute of Peace. If senior Afghans are "to take the prospect of a negotiated settlement seriously,'' he wrote, "there is a need for clearer U.S. policy and signalling'' of intent, inherent in Obama's decision on a troop draw-down.

Pressure on the White House for a rapid drawdown is growing, from both the political right and the left. "You could cut the force in half and there'd still be a lot of troops there,'' said Lawrence J. Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank in Washington. "That would send a signal that we're not there forever.''

But with the U.S. and NATO already committed to withdrawing most combat troops from Afghanistan at the end of 2014, it would make sense to others to draw down about one-quarter of U.S. forces each year anyway, providing what Barno calls "a smooth glide path'' over the next three years.

Barno and others recommend that Obama announce a troop reduction now -- but delay implementing it until late fall, when the fighting season tapers off and support troops can be safely withdrawn. "That would signal that the United States is not abandoning the field abruptly,'' he said, and would still keep a sizable force in the field during any negotiations.

If negotiations do get underway, modest U.S. and allied troop reductions could be made even while retaining what Laurenti calls "a real hammer to incentivize the Taliban'' for serious negotiations: the armed drone strikes that have decimated al Qaeda's leadership in Pakistan. The threat of deadly strikes, he said "gives you a means for being able to maintain high lethality on their leaders even with a much reduced presence'' of combat troops on the ground.

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Marcospinelli 07:57 PM on 06/20/2011
Treat the online support for Obama with suspicion:
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wayne the pain
07:26 PM on 06/26/2011
A week after the U.S. Leaves Afghanistan in eight to ten years it will be like we were never there!
09:56 PM on 06/24/2011
Republicans vs Democracts. Blah blah blah. You folks need 3rd option before the US implodes on itself.
04:17 PM on 06/22/2011
http://www.islamicsolutions.com/the-human-predator-%E2%80%93-deadliest-of-all-quote-of-the-day-31/
02:09 PM on 06/22/2011
Funny thing is NYT reported Taliban were willing to give AlQaeda and Bin Laden up in the weeks after the invasion. In fact, Taliban reps met our diplomats along with the Karzai gangstas, but Bush said piss off, we need our war.
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wforvendetta
Entitled to my opinion, not my facts
11:40 PM on 06/21/2011
Why did we attack Iraq and slaughter its people? Because we needed to hit someone after 9/11 and Saddam's people were easy targets?

Can ANYONE on the Right explain?
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wayne the pain
07:25 PM on 06/26/2011
Iraq happened to create an Iraq government that would sign very profitable deals for American oil companies and they did!
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wforvendetta
Entitled to my opinion, not my facts
11:38 PM on 06/21/2011
With so many on the Right today opposed to the Iraq war, why didn't you join us in 2002 to protest Bush's vendetta war BEFORE it started? We could have used your voices.

Instead, you remained silent and let 4,500 brave US servicemen die for nothing. And you watched Bush waste up to $3 trillion for this invasion. That's money we had to borrow from China to finance this desert debacle.
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wrascil
01:42 AM on 06/22/2011
THATS A PROBLEM... DUMOCRAPS FORGET EVERY TIME BULL CLANTON GOT CAUGHT WITH HIS PANTS DOWN HE BOMBED IRAQ where were you for those 8 years... 0'Bommber also tried to deflect his foreign citizenship for 5 years before he produced a falsified birth certificate that conveniently all named within are dead by bombing sovereign nations... Hitler has started 6 wars now and gas is the highest it has ever been, now that's some HOPE and CHANGE now is it not
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Quinxy von Besiex
My micro-bio is empty. :(
09:16 PM on 06/21/2011
I sometimes wish Obama was less calmly rational and more action-oriented. The majority of Americans seem to understand that quality, and regretably Obama's achievements get overlooked as a resullt.
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Indiana420
Winston Churchill was right!
09:33 PM on 06/21/2011
Name one achievement, please! What part of this Administration, it's failed policies, it's unemployment rate, the decline in the dollar, it's intentional class warfare, and it's social trash do you want 4 more years of?
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Counterglow
Werner Heisenberg may have been right.
10:16 PM on 06/21/2011
"Social trash"? Even though our Republican friends are willfully-ign orant, se-lfish, unint-elligent boils on the posterior of the body politic, you should perhaps be less cruel in your evaluation of them...even though your characterization of your average conservative is, if anything, charitable.
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LACKOFFAITH
08:55 PM on 06/21/2011
Probably take as long a time as he pondered if or should he send backup troops there in the first place, what was that 6 months or longer, bet you he will use this as a rating booster.
06:40 PM on 06/21/2011
That's good, but how about that?
http://govinthelab.com/us-prison-in-afghanistan-has-10-times-as-manyprisonersasguantanamo/

"Guantánamo has become synonymous with the U.S. effort to hold detainees, which in turn has given the impression that the military prison in Cuba is the hub of this policy. But Guantánamo is by no means the largest prison for detainees—that distinction resides with the Bagram military base in Afghanistan.

While the number held at Guantánamo is currently estimated to be about 170, the total imprisoned at Bagram is about 1,700. The two prisons have been moving in opposite directions in terms of their detainee numbers, with Guantánamo shrinking from a high of more than 700 to its present count.

Bagram, though, has been growing in recent years. Its detainee total has tripled in size since 2008, with more than 1,300 suspects arrested and imprisoned in 2010 alone."
06:57 PM on 06/21/2011
yes, we need to close that place. Maybe YOU could put-up all those prisoners at your house, OK? Lets bring them here, so that poor Cuba doesnt have to put up with them, is that it?
07:02 PM on 06/21/2011
I mean, its so nice to see that the compassionate conservative is so concerned about the rights of the poor taliband detainee being held in Cuba. Good for you republican
06:23 PM on 06/21/2011
Sorry a good reason to preview your comment before posting! I meant to say
No good business with a bad man.. of course, assuming it even gets posted
06:21 PM on 06/21/2011
What?? Did the taliban change their religion or something? They hate the USA because of our religion and their religion & swear to kill us for only that one reason..

Secondly, my parents taught me "there's no business with a bad man".. now do I mean Al Qaeda, the Republicans OR the democrats.?
06:46 PM on 06/21/2011
maybe you mean your parents
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cperrnj
I think, therefore I am a Conservative
05:58 PM on 06/21/2011
"Obama to announce major decision" Sheesh, I thought he may get a clue and step down.
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LACKOFFAITH
08:59 PM on 06/21/2011
My wishful thinking too!
01:40 PM on 06/22/2011
my wishful thinking is that I WISH you could think
05:57 PM on 06/21/2011
My post was removed - what did I do to violate the guidelines?
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cperrnj
I think, therefore I am a Conservative
05:59 PM on 06/21/2011
Unfortunately on HP you don't have to violate their guidelines. If they don't agree with you politically they will remove your post. Has happened to me many times.
06:44 PM on 06/21/2011
if they feel your IQ level is below 55, they wont take your post I hear
05:45 PM on 06/21/2011
you know times are bad when the economy is so bad that the WH has to put in a garden.... Yee Haw..... One Class Act.
05:48 PM on 06/21/2011
FnF LMAO
05:39 PM on 06/21/2011
The Taliban, said Dobbins, "need to know we can just walk away.'' Then why should there be negotiations? Just do it!