What's Holding Up Same-Sex Marriage In New York

New York Gay Marriage

First Posted: 06/21/11 01:11 PM ET Updated: 08/21/11 06:12 AM ET

The New York State Senate continued to struggle over a same-sex marriage bill on Tuesday, one day after the session officially ended.

Same-sex marriage needs just one more supporter in the Senate, which is controlled by Republicans. Governor Cuomo exercised his power to call the body back into session after its expiration date, hoping, along with gay rights activists, to find that vote soon.

Negotiations over marriage equality are taking place in the context of a number of highly contentious bills that are the subject of horse-trading between Cuomo, Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos, and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, a Democrat. Gay marriage is vying for time on the Senate floor along with new rent regulations and a property tax cap.

If gay rights activists are to thread the needle this week, they hope for a quick end to those disputes -- and to a resolution over the contentious question of how many exemptions to provide for religious groups who don't want to recognize gay unions. Those exemptions might not account for more than "about fifteen words" in the final assessment, but they could be critical.

The same-sex marriage bill as passed by the state Assembly already includes exemptions for clergy so that they don't have to perform marriages. It also stipulates that benevolent organizations like the Knights of Columbus wouldn't have to rent out event halls for weddings.

Those exemptions were enough for the Assembly. But in the Senate, Andrew Lanza (R-Staten Island), one of the handful of Republicans considered sway-able on the issue has declared extracting further concessions from Cuomo his "line in the sand."

Some Republicans would like to see religious non-profits given special exemptions under the law as well.

Exactly what the several GOP senators on the fence are seeking -- and what Cuomo and gay rights groups would be willing to concede -- remains unclear, as discussions are taking place behind closed doors.

For LGBT activists, any proposal that undoes part of the state's Sexual Orientation Non-Discrimination Act, a hard-fought and high-profile victory from 2003, could be a poison pill. That is especially true when even opponents of same-sex marriage are now calling its passage "inevitable."

But an as-yet unspecified deal that tweaks the language in the same-sex marriage bill to give some space for GOP senators to lend their support is possible.

Sen. Greg Ball (R-Carmel) told HuffPost on Monday that he believes negotiations between GOP senators and Cuomo over exemptions may produce adjustments to the bill for religious institutions.

Ball, one of the critical undecided Republicans, said he was looking at the same-sex marriage bill from a "very pragmatic perspective."

"I understand that there's going to be certain areas where they're not going to be able to have religious protections because you open up a whole new can of worms," he said.

One example: a proposal by a Washington and Lee University professor that would create exemptions for individuals who don't want to provide marriage-related goods or services because of their religious beliefs.

Professor Robin Wilson believes, for example, that a baker should be able to reject a couple's request for a wedding cake if his religion prevents him from serving a same-sex -- or an interfaith, or even interracial -- couple. He would only be forced to bake the cake if his refusal created unnecessary hardship for the couple, because, Wilson said, "in a straight up contest [...] marriage equality trumps religious liberty."

Such a proposal would likely be a non-starter in New York state, particularly for individuals, as opposed to religiously-affiliated non-profits. "You can't institutionalize discrimination within the bill, nor would I ever want to," Ball said. Yet the proposal is an example of the issues that lawmakers may have to grapple with should they decide to broaden religious exemptions.

For their part, gay rights activists say the religious exemptions debate won't derail same-sex marriage.

"Things are progressing well and we remain very confident that we will win this thing," said Brian Ellner, senior strategist for the Human Rights Campaign.

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Franklin1776 04:19 PM on 06/21/2011
12 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Is WRONG 1. Homosexuality is not natural. Americans always reject unnatural things, which is why we don't use eyeglasses, polyester, or birth control. 2. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. 3. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all - women are property, blacks can't  Read More...
09:26 AM on 06/24/2011
What's holding it up is a little post-SONDA phenomenon called ... THE EVIDENCE!

New Yorkers will ask their legislators to focus on the evidence AGAINST gay "marriage"! ... because good law is based on good data, and the least that legislators can do is to familiarize themselves with the details of an issue!

The online article "Is Cuomo Ignoring the Evidence Against Gay Marriage?" ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/5488... ) illustrates 27 reasons ... 17 explicitly stated ... why New Yorkers will reject "gay marriage" in 2011 and onwards!

It is evidence-based! AND HAS BEEN SENT TO EACH MEMBER OF THE ASSEMBLY AND SENATE!

Reasons 7,9, 10,11 and 12 in that document illustrate the astonishing conclusions of the Centers for Disease Control in SEPTEMBER 2010. They illustrate that the "behavior" Cuomo is trying to "institutionalize" is prone to HIV infection 44 times greater than that for heterosexual activity … THAT'S 44 TIMES!!!

How then do Bloomberg and Cuomo justify the sacking of Teachers and Firemen ... to save a buck now ... when they are foisting UNTOLD BILLIONS of dollars in future medical and actuarial challenges/bills upon an unsuspecting New York?

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/06/24/barack-obama-still-dancing-on-head-of-gay-marriage-pin/#ixzz1QCP37AhI
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nicenissey
Progressive comes from PROGRESS
10:02 PM on 06/23/2011
Oh, be done with it already! With the right sassy gay friend-slash-wedding planner (yes, I am stereotyping) and knowing the right place to go for wedding essentials, we can all have our dream weddings that would put the Windsors in their proper place for a fraction of the price, LGBT or not.

Religious ceremonies are so over-rated. Friends and families are the ones that matter. And your partner, of course!
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maxom
Just flew over the coo coo's nest
01:17 PM on 06/23/2011
.David305 .17 Fans
Become a fan Unfan .23 hours ago (1:45 PM) ......"Maybe when gay people stop trying so hard to look different, everyone will realize their equality. (picture above is a perfect illustrati­on of my point) "
Maybe also stop trying to make evryone think it is normal, natural thing,which it isn't unless you are dog or such.
01:20 PM on 06/23/2011
You say "unless you're a dog" gay dogs don't wear makeup and dance in parades do they? lol Just lightening up the subject a little.
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maxom
Just flew over the coo coo's nest
08:41 PM on 06/23/2011
Gay cabelleros do....not sure about the dogs.
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nicenissey
Progressive comes from PROGRESS
09:51 PM on 06/23/2011
This was the argument used by early racists: They looked different, that's why we don't like them.
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maxom
Just flew over the coo coo's nest
10:46 PM on 06/23/2011
What do racists, early or otherwise have to do with this?
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shelleybear
10:54 AM on 06/23/2011
This is crap!
Give the religious groups and those folks who don't want same-sex business the right of refusal.
The free market will soon convince business otherwise and religions?
Well, we can just shove them in to their ghettos where they belong.
The tide of time continues to show that they are on the losing end anyway.
11:44 PM on 06/22/2011
I really can't comprehend why giving one group of people the same rights as everyone is THIS hard. I'm starting to belive that they could actually in fact, care less about this bill.
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ModishThing
02:36 PM on 06/22/2011
What couple of any sexual orientation wants to be married by someone who doesn't want to marry them? The issue of celebrants or churches being 'forced' to marry gay or lesbian couples is another right wing red herring. And the same goes for bakers, florists or any other providers of wedding services. Who on earth would want to eat wedding cake baked by someone who didn't approve of your union? There are plenty of celebrants, churches, bakers and florists who support gay marriage and would welcome the business.
01:45 PM on 06/22/2011
Maybe when gay people stop trying so hard to look different, everyone will realize their equality. (picture above is a perfect illustration of my point)
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EmmaDarian
All in all, I'm loving every rise and fall (RHCP)
02:58 PM on 06/22/2011
Well, most gay people don't look any different than you and me. But I guess if one is trying to find reasons to justify bigotry, appearance of one member of a group will do the trick. You all have used dumber reasons and still do.
07:02 PM on 06/22/2011
You encounter gay people all the time in your life and don't even know they are gay. Most of the time, gay people are just working, mowing their lawns, raising kids, seeing movies---living their lives just like you and me.
01:25 PM on 06/23/2011
Actually IIisa their not living their lives like everyone or they wouldn't be trying to get the same rights. Am I wrong?
09:39 AM on 06/22/2011
Postings which speak to collusion to commit crime are removed. Yay for unbiased media.
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BelaBela222
09:37 AM on 06/22/2011
We have enought people in NY in every occupation, from pastry chefs to restaurant owners,
to religious leaders....from apartment owners to catering halls, to tourist counselors and
getaway honeymoon trips. I say, keep the dollars in OUR OWN pockets...give the
business to gay and gay friendly businesses...and don't worry if some jerkoff doesn't want
to bake cakes for gays and blacks and anyone else he thinks interrupts his lifestyle.
09:51 AM on 06/22/2011
I don't think too many people are worried about that at all. I think it is just one more silly excuse to try to keep marriage equality from passing.

Businesses have been serving gay people all along whether they know it or not. It is a non-issue.
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Insanity rules
10:04 AM on 06/22/2011
Passing a law that abridges the rights of one to give rights to another is a NON Starter? I have no objections to gay unions, gay rights to insurance, etc. This is not something the government should be controlling because they have the individual rights of freedom of association but so does the other side.
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kerry1962
Béal na mBláth
09:07 AM on 06/22/2011
What's holding up same sex marriage? Fear and ignorance.
09:52 AM on 06/22/2011
Absolutely!
11:45 PM on 06/22/2011
and those homophobes that can't EVER imagine somehting happening that isn't ok according to Jeezus.
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jfbuf
people are corporations too
08:35 AM on 06/22/2011
the whole tax cap is a sham, what good is it if every municipality can get around the law and still raise your taxes. Another law with no teeth brought to you by your inept politicians who will brag about how they helped you.
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Michael Lindley
American in Paris
07:01 AM on 06/22/2011
Yes, religious people must always be given the right to express their hatred for anyone on religious grounds because God expressly delegated His Judgement Authority on faithful followers even in the USA where discrimination based on religion is illegal! Since Republicans like going in the back door kept secret while they thump and beat their chests like gorillas in the public eye, tough, God-Fearing folks that they are. Religion is everything to fools, no matter who they might hurt. In fact, the more religious, often the more hurtful. New York State is not God's proxy for enforcing the applications of beliefs, it is a tool of The People and ALL The People. If the religious are offended by someone else's marriage, perhaps they will pay for their judging of others on their own Judgement Day! To paraphrase Reagan, Let God be God, not New York State be God.
06:49 AM on 06/22/2011
I'd love to see how it would go over if a church didn't want to marry a black man and a white woman. I'd love to see the repercussions if a catering hall didn't cater a wedding reception for a latino couple. I'd love to know how many children around the state...country...or world would be stuck in foster homes, or worse out on the streets alone, if a loving same sex couple didn't take the time, energy, or money to give them a full life that every human being deserves. But, alas, I'd love the chance to profess my marriage to my better half of over two decades. Get religion out of the equation. I'm not of a faith that has a problem with all of this. Allow me to either marry the love of my life...or allow me to choose what other laws I want to follow, or disobey...from labor laws, to traffic laws, to paying taxes. If I'm not equal, don't take an equal amount from me...until you're ready to give me the same in return!
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virescentgirl
trying to find compassion
08:24 AM on 06/22/2011
The crazy thing is, churches don't have to marry anyone they don't want to right now. What seems to be happening is the religious right wants to protect religious belief in the public square, but only their belief. Because in Virginia, if your religious view/belief does not forbid marriage for gay couples you still cannot perform the ceremony without fear of being fined, jailed or arrested.
01:40 PM on 06/23/2011
Some churches do not marry or accept interacial couples but no one really cares. Why bother worrying about that its a non-issue. Most churches like money, getting married cost money even judges have little businesses on the side marrying people. Hotels could care less who is in a room as long as they pay. Money is what this is all about, businessmen owning catering stores, clothing, flowers, vacation spots, cruise ships all want the extra business that may crop up if this passes. This debate is not over human rights its over money that can be made in the future. As of now only singular small business people cater to gay wants and needs, big business wants in on the possible influx of new business if they can legitimize gay couples into the main stream. Gay organizers are trying to force society to accept them, it will take decades and still not all will accept them.
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BornOKtheFirstTime
pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo
11:58 PM on 06/21/2011
Whatever the Republican senators do, they cannot win on this issue. As a group, they have already revealed themselves as the antigay theocrats they are. They will lose their fragile majority in the next election, unless the economy totally tanks.

The many liiberals who sat out the midterm elections to teach Obama and the Dems a lesson should learn a lesson from this. Three pro-equality senators lost, two of them by the narrowest of margins, because you stayed at home to pout. Pouting has consequences. The GOP understands better than we do that electoral succes demands discipline. This agonized vote over marriage equality could have been avoided. Let's hope it passes tomorrow. If not those of you who didn't go to the polls should search your conscience. Was sitting out the election really worth denying LGBTs the right to marry?
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TommyObama
Abuse of power comes as no surprise.
12:55 PM on 06/22/2011
So, so true... fanned and faved.

"Pouting has consequences"...that's my new rebuttal to the MANY stay-at-home liberals and moderates I know in Arizona, whose laziness and petulance have allowed Jan Brewer and Russell Pearce and Joe Arpaio to lead our state to ruin. Thank you.
02:49 PM on 06/22/2011
What a laughable comment!
Our state was in ruin far before Brewer/Pierce/Arpaio took the lead, even before Napolitano.
This is a nationwide epidemic due to fiscal policy, immigration policy, entitlements, inflated government and lengthening the reach of government into individual propieties.
It is merely more evident in the border states due to the constant bleeding across the border.
Just wait as the bleeding flows across state lines.....it's coming
01:47 PM on 06/23/2011
I don't believe republicans care if they get the gay vote or not. For that matter most democrats don't care either depending on their location. Where the gays congregate and live in such places as Sanfrancisco a republican couldn't win an election even if they themselves were gay. Am I wrong?