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Tea Party Splits On Libya Funding In House Vote

Tea Party Libya Funding Vote

LAURIE KELLMAN   06/24/11 09:15 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — The House's tea party caucus split on a major foreign policy vote Friday – whether to cut off money for air attacks in Libya – revealing a divide on the philosophical question of how often and under what terms the U.S. should intervene in foreign conflicts.

The tea party Republicans overwhelmingly oppose President Barack Obama's decision to participate in the NATO-led operation in Libya without consulting Congress. But 27 of the caucus' 59 members voted against a GOP-led bill to strip federal dollars from part of the American effort there.

The group's chairwoman, Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, was among those who voted no. The GOP presidential hopeful said she opposed the bill because it stopped short of halting all United States spending on the conflict.

"There was an opportunity today to limit funding to a Libyan operation, but I could not support it because it does not go far enough. Funds must be fully cut off to the president's involvement in Libya," she said in a statement.

Her role in the failure of the GOP bill was sorely noted by tea partiers outside the Beltway.

"We have no congressional authorization for military action in Libya, but our brilliant GOP leadership did not cut off funding," wrote Judson Phillips on a blog for one group, Tea Party Nation. "Could they possibly be any more gutless?"

The bill would have barred attacks by pilotless drones and other airstrikes but allowed the United States to continue actions in support of NATO. The full House defeated it, 238-180.

The 31-27 split among members of the caucus listed on Bachmann's website revealed that the populist movement committed to cutting federal spending is less united on foreign policy – even when the question is about federal spending.

The tea party caucus members split along the same arguments as the rest of the House over philosophical questions of when the U.S. should intervene in foreign conflict, when it should choose isolationism – and what to do when the president does not consult Congress before engaging.

On that last question, there was little debate. With one exception, the tea party caucus members voted to reject Obama's engagement in an earlier vote on whether to authorize it. That measure also failed, 295-123. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, was the only tea party caucus member to vote to authorize Obama's actions in Libya.

When the House moved on to the GOP-led measure to defund the conflict, the tea party caucus, like the rest of the chamber, sent mixed signals. After overwhelmingly rejecting Obama's engagement in Libya, the House defeated the GOP proposal to bar funding for drone attacks and other airstrikes, 238-180.

One reason for the unusual divide: Republican leaders did not lobby – or "whip"_ members on what they considered a vote of conscience. Another: The loosely affiliated tea party movement's preferences were apparently unknown to members of the caucus.

"I don't know, do they have a position?" asked Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., who voted against cutting off funding for Libya operations.

The caucus split on the second bill, with some members, like Rep. Todd Aiken, choosing an isolationist approach.

"While the human rights concerns in Libya are undeniable, there are dozens of countries around the world that are doing similar or worse things to their citizens," the Missouri Republican said. "We are not the world's police force, and we should not be sending our forces into combat without a clear connection to our national interests."

Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., joined Bachmann and 25 other caucus members in voting no to stripping funding.

"Once American military personnel are engaged in hostilities, this Congress has an obligation to stand by our troops," Pence said.

Tea party caucus member Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Ga., did not vote.

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12:37 PM on 06/29/2011
It is so noticeable the amount of coverage that the huffington post gives to the republicans for good or ill. This normalizes their efforts and policies and personalities. It is appalling how many photos that the huff post runs of these people. Its enough to make me ignore you or look elsewhere for news. Not good! One might almost conclude that you are closet supporters of the republicans, Bachmann and Palin. The photos do a lot to normalize people who are not normal policies that are against the very fabric of American life. Wake up.
What else is happening?
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10:12 AM on 06/27/2011
We should all support Michele Bachmann for the Republican Candidate for President in 2012,
This message paid for by the re-elect Obama committee
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paddy523
better to be looking at it, than looking for it!
09:54 AM on 06/27/2011
Wow huff post, I mean it, WOW!!!!! 19 pictures of Ms.B on the political page!!!! (granted most are rather small) And only 2 pictures of Sister Sara!!! Careful huff post, you know how Wasililazilla get's when she's out of the spotlight!!! You ki// me!!!! :(
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Ppossom
His life is full
09:07 AM on 06/27/2011
On June 10th, 2011 Moamar Khaddafy addressed Tea Party Congress by letter, thanking Congress for their help again President Obama, and asking the Tea Party Congress to censure President and military for aggression against Moamar Khaddafy.

On June 24th, 2011, 144 GOP Congressmen submitted to Moamar Khaddafy, becoming dhimmi to the murderer of PanAm flight 103.

Bachmann only went "half way" in this treason.

The split in GOP is split between Tea Party radicals who only want to go half way into treason, and those who have already gone, whole hog, into treason.
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Counterglow
Werner Heisenberg may have been right.
03:16 AM on 06/27/2011
So now the Tea Party has two wings: Du mb and D umber
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supratroll
one indignation under a groove
12:46 AM on 06/27/2011
i believe she has a real shot at winning the republican nomination. goes to show, our country is capable of anything. even... whatever this is.
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LameDuckHunting
YOUR AD HERE........
11:36 PM on 06/26/2011
PART ONE

I received the following repay today to a post of mine. It is a very fine, extremely well written piece that bears reposting. Forgive that I did a bit of editing to please the house

dawgspiel, thank you for writing this:

dawgspiel

Bear with me a second. I attended, by mistake, a county meeting on extending a local option one cent sales tax last fall. (It finally passed by 79 votes in a county with around 750,000 residents). The gist of it was county officials explaining what they would do with the money if it passed: expanding senior centers to accommodate an aging population, widening intersections, giving county parks a maintenance upgrade, that sort of stuff.

There were about 8-10 people there who were plain, flat_nuts_. One was named Greg. How do I know his name was Greg? County officials addressed him by name because this guy evidently showed up at every public meeting of any kind. (BTW, we have the lowest property taxes in metro Atlanta).
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LameDuckHunting
YOUR AD HERE........
11:37 PM on 06/26/2011
PART TWO

Greg stood at the back of the room and objected. He_smirked_at his insinuations that everyone there was a bunch of cr00ks. He made thinly veiled allegations. Greg knew more than everyone else. He was so_obnoxious_that an attorney finally spoke up pointing out that we had the best county government in metro Atlanta. (My allegiance happens to be to the opposite party and local politics are mostly about roads and senior centers, ideology doesn't come into it all that much, but they do do a reasonably good job).

But not from where Greg stood. This was one of those professional_gadflies_that bedevils public officials because they can spout their nonsense and they have to listen to it.

The entire room, with the exception of his seven or so cohorts, h8ed this guy.

And I'll bet dollars to donuts that he was a member in good standing of the teabag_revolution.

People like Greg have a hole in their psyches. They have a need to_whine,_b1tch, complain and oppose everything. Everyone is a crook, a conspiracist or criminaly_st00pid.

There is no pleasing the Gregs of this world and you shouldn't even try. Just do what needs to be done for the greater good of the community at every level and ignore them.
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11:38 PM on 06/26/2011
PART THREE

Back in the 60s, the John Birch Society (the Koch brothers' father was a founder) was kicking up a fuss about a communist under every bed and the conspiracy of putting fluoride in public drinking water. William F. Buckley called them_nuts_and threw them out of the conservative movement.

Well, they're back and the republican party needs a new Buckley to toss that sorry collection of Gregs and baggers and bagettes out once again if they hope to preserve what's left of their political party.

Because the sane don't like them.
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joedaplumper
Ever see an airplane do thi.............
11:32 PM on 06/26/2011
Imagine if the House had tried to micromanage GWB's conduct of the Iraq War, conflict, police action, military intervention, whatever. Suddenly, prevention of genocide is a bad thing.
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FreedToChoose
...lest my wife says I'm not.
08:48 PM on 06/26/2011
This would be more interesting if no other factions were split on Libya funding and action.
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Edward Standley
opinionated jerk
08:35 PM on 06/26/2011
There is no "Tea Party", only the fringe right wing of the GOP.
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SoCal John
12:01 PM on 07/05/2011
Agreed...NeoCons is drag!
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SoCal John
12:02 PM on 07/05/2011
Sorry...i meant "NeoCons IN drag...lol
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Big Game Hunter
Facts are Republican Kryptonite
08:16 PM on 06/26/2011
Personally, I'd prefer if it were razor wire that was dividing the Tea Party.
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Jason Bowen
08:02 PM on 06/26/2011
My opinion on this matter will probably get me flamed but so be it.
For one to be ok with sending his own countrymen, or his own son/daughter to fight in combat for a foreign country means that you have been brainwashed. That's right, simply brainwashed. Maybe by public education, or be watching American propaganda (Fox, CNN, MSNBC). Let me clarify. If you are willing to send your countrymen, or children to fight for a foreign country then that means that you have an interest in the "global good". It means, you will be a sucker for a soon to come "One world government".
As an American that hasn't been brainwashed I understand that to send my countrymen, or child to battle it should ONLY be if this country is attacked. Our constitution pretty much agrees with that sentiment. The world will always have petty battles and big battles going on . Nothing new there. It doesnt mean we have to send our children to fight and die for something that will always be. It doesnt mean us taxpayers have to fund this nonsense.
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joedaplumper
Ever see an airplane do thi.............
11:35 PM on 06/26/2011
No flaming here. Right on, Jason.
11:56 PM on 06/26/2011
Agreed, but in addition to not sending "our children to fight and die," we would avoid killing other people's children in other countries.
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Mountain Man
07:25 PM on 06/26/2011
The TEA Baggers are waiting for the Koch Bros. and the Coors Family to tell them what to think.
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
01:18 PM on 06/27/2011
I hope they are thinking about there medicare and social security because if Ryans plan for the budget doesn't exclude them!
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yogajan
Well behaved women rarely make history
07:22 PM on 06/26/2011
The tea party is a pathetic group of losers who are being led to slaughter by a few mega millionaire Republicans. Some of them are probably good and sincere people, but in the end it will all be about the big bucks and most of them don't qualify.
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sb1285n
05:31 PM on 06/26/2011
The Tea Party doesn't know what they stand for. They are a ragtag group of politicians and supporters who rallied around a single cause: giving Obama and the democratic party as much of a headache as possible and getting famous while doing so.