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Debt Ceiling Poll Shows Divide On Looming Deficit Crisis

Debt Ceiling Poll

CALVIN WOODWARD   06/25/11 07:51 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — It might be time for another midnight ride by Paul Revere, this time warning "the creditors are coming."

Americans seem not to have awakened to the fast-looming debt crisis that could summon a new recession, imperil their stock market investments and shatter faith in the world's most powerful economy. Those are among the implications, both sudden and long-lasting, expected to unfold if the U.S. defaults on debt payments for the first time in history.

Facing an August deadline for raising the country's borrowing limit or setting loose the consequences, politicians and economists are plenty alarmed. The people? Apparently not so much.

They're divided on whether to raise the limit, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that found 41 percent opposed to the idea and 38 percent in favor.

People aren't exactly blase. A narrow majority in the poll expects an economic crisis to ensue if the U.S., maxed out on its borrowing capacity, starts missing interest payments to creditors. But even among that group, 37 percent say no dice to raising the limit.

In Washington's humid air, talk of a financial apocalypse is thick.

There are warnings of "credit markets in a state of panic," as the House Budget Committee chairman, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., put it, causing a sudden drop-off in the country's ability to borrow and pushing the government off a "credit cliff."

He was characterizing a report by the government's nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office that warns of a "sudden fiscal crisis" in which investors might abandon U.S. bonds and force the government to pay steep interest rates and impose spending cuts and tax increases far more Draconian than if default were avoided.

The dire warnings appear to be falling on unconvinced ears, at least so far.

Call it doomsday fatigue.

In recent times, Americans heard that things were going to go haywire with the turn of the millennium, and they didn't. They were primed for post-Sept. 11 terrorist plots that did not unfold.

They've seen Congress, a lumbering body that gets fleet of foot at the last minute, come to the brink time after time, only to pull something out of its hat. Recently, a partial government shutdown was averted in that manner.

To Robin Knight, 50-year-old teacher from Gilbert, Ariz., who's trying to stay informed on the debt crisis, Washington's tendency to cry wolf and stage histrionics on issues of the day isn't helping.

"It should be very easy to understand," she said, "but I think there are so many skewed views and time given to people screaming that it can be hard to follow."

As during the lead-up to the government shutdown that didn't happen, tortured negotiations are under way.

Republican leaders are insisting on huge spending cuts as a condition for raising the debt limit. This position finds solid support from Republicans in the poll and backing from a plurality of independents.

President Barack Obama is pushing for increased tax revenue to be part of the deal, and that insistence led House Republican leader Eric Cantor of Virginia to walk out of the negotiations this past week.

About half of Democrats in the poll said the debt limit should be raised regardless of whether it's paired with a deal to cut spending.

The survey found no significant differences by education, age, income, or even by party, in perceptions of whether a crisis is likely if the limit is not increased. There was widespread dissatisfaction with how Obama is dealing with the deficit – a new high of 63 percent disapproval on that subject – and an even harsher judgment of how both parties in Congress are doing on the issue.

A deal would permit the government to resume borrowing more than $100 billion a month to pay its bills. Paradoxically – or "perversely," as Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke put it – the absence of a deal would not stop the nation's debt from climbing.

Bernanke said the stain on U.S. creditworthiness would drive up deficits simply by saddling the country with higher interest rates on borrowing.

Deficit hawks at the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget say a 1 percentage point jump in interest rates paid by Washington would increase deficits by $1.3 trillion through 2021, essentially adding a year's worth of red ink.

Although people in the poll betray plenty of concern about the debt, the prospect of a calamity-triggering default if the debt deadline is not met in August clearly is not dominating their calculations.

The AP-GfK poll, as do many surveys over time, points to a divide in how people see the country and their own lives. The poll was conducted June 16-20 by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. It involved landline and cellphone interviews with 1,001 adults nationwide and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.1 percentage points.

Although 80 percent ranked the economy as poor, 63 percent also said the financial situation in their own household was good. Also, 70 percent predicted the economy will improve or stay about the same in the next year. A majority says it's a good time to put money into real estate.

Altogether, it's not unlike the bumper sticker sported on some cars when the world as we know it was supposed to end back in May: "After the Rapture, can I have your car?"

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AP Polling Director Trevor Tompson, Deputy Polling Director Jennifer Agiesta, News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and writer Stacy Anderson contributed to this report.

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Poll results: http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com

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WASHINGTON — It might be time for another midnight ride by Paul Revere, this time warning "the creditors are coming." Americans seem not to have awakened to the fast-looming debt crisis that co...
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peacekitten 02:50 PM on 06/25/2011
no deals of any description should take place until the bush tax cuts are repealed, and rates restored to at least the clinton era level.  it's really no longer a subject of debate, since they have been identified as the single largest problem with the economy at the moment, and will do nothing but make it worse.  because of the way wealth has concentrated, another level or two needs to be added  Read More...
07:28 AM on 07/29/2011
It just might be...after more thought.....the repubs aren't trying to bring down the nation....their objective is to get it in a condition where the elite have it so there is someone to light their cigar...beg them for food and a living..... Now, I see better. A little clarification in my thinking. No, I knew it all along. I just didn't speak it until now.
07:06 AM on 07/29/2011
Watch closely folks, the American People are watching the works of the party backed by (c)orporate (a)merica's finest representatives stumble with their bluffs and a (tea) party yapping in the background. Now let the President invoke the nuclear option and let's move on to a survival course of common sense in a hard place....(2001-2008, we thank you). I agree with the small business owner who said we have a revenue problem instead of a spending problem, see below. Nobody with money wants to pay taxes.
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Quinxy von Besiex
My micro-bio is empty. :(
10:13 PM on 07/14/2011
Whenever we hit bad economic times it's nice to know we can borrow a page from the handbook of failed autocrats and blame our problems on the gays, the Jews, the immigrants, the atheists, the liberals, the general moral decline, and who knows who else... Of course the accusations are presented a little better, but it sometimes feels like it comes from the same nasty place.
03:31 PM on 07/11/2011
The invertebrate club members from BOTH parties have raised the debt ceiling 16 times in 10 yrs...and here we are...fubar economy. Just say NO! Tighten your belts as 'We the People' have learned to do. Sorry invertebrates...there is no more money...period! If you can't run the show with what you've already saddled us with..too bad. Go get a job somewhere else. Oh...that's right...you fools have screwed up the job maket as well. Surprise surprise!
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PotomacOracle
The Solution:debt free credit clearing systems
10:06 AM on 06/28/2011
The only reason Republicans are pushing their debt ceiling con game is to protect their Wall Streets masters.. Look who loses the most when America defaults, Wall St.

However, our economy will bounce back, we won’t have the same level of prosperity for a while
but neither will we have Wall St.

Dean Baker writes in Huff-Post 0n 6/20,

“While the country will still be left standing after a debt default, there is one important sector that will not be standing: Wall Street. A debt default would almost certainly make all the major banks insolvent as they would have to mark down the value of U.S. government debt, which had been held as a completely safe asset.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/the-endgame-on-the-debt-c_b_880531.html

The loss of value would also apply to all the assets backed by the government, and issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. .

Without the ironclad financial backing of the U.S. government standing behind them, the Wall Street gang could never again be the dominant actor in international financial markets.

This fact is essential in understanding the endgame on the debt ceiling. The markets will then go into turmoil. Republicans will cut deals, make the threats and do whatever else is necessary to round up the votes needed to raise the debt ceiling.”
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Channa
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
09:31 AM on 06/28/2011
Does anyone understand yet that this is not about future spending but about paying a debt we already incurred? If we don't pay our bills we have our credit downgraded.

The debate about spending and revenue is valuable but it is about the future and not relevant to the issue of raising the debt ceiling.
09:07 AM on 06/28/2011
republican politicians have been lying to the public (and corporate controlled media never challenges them) that breaking the debt ceiling will have no effect on America and the world. There are so many Obama haters in the republican party aka Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS) and they only get their "facts" from fixed noise, no wonder so many Americans are so clueless.
08:41 AM on 06/28/2011
Republicans worked hard to ruin our economy. Their target is to privatize Medicare and partially privatize Social Security. They know they can't put everone in the stockmarket so they will only risk part of Social Security in the market.

Repubican leaders had years to mess this country up. They have almost got it where they want it. All that is left is to give original Medicare to private insurers.

It will be funny when they see that the income they expect doesn't come. They are sitting in the cat bird seat but they don't have many buyers. They plan to undercut other countries. The other countries won't set still. I suppose our businesses can sell products to the low paid workers in other countries, for low profits.
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Arlene Faile
"All life is sacred"
03:21 AM on 06/28/2011
The TB's say they will have an itemized outline by January 2012, as if this just started this morning. LOL where have they been in a cave? All they do is delay the fact that they take from the poor to feed the rich because it will stimulate the economy. They will not just come out straight and tell the truth, it is like saying "I am going to cut back, be more frugal in my spending so grocery money must go to make room for entertainment because then I will remain stimulated". How stupid is that?
08:32 AM on 06/28/2011
I can't pay my expenses so I am going to ask my boss to cut my pay.
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Arlene Faile
"All life is sacred"
11:37 AM on 06/28/2011
sisterann lol thank you even better! f&f
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AngryBuddist
11:45 PM on 06/27/2011
so we are just gonna set the world on fire and see what doesn't burn?

I am opposed to this idea.
12:20 AM on 06/28/2011
well good for you
Joel Smithis
Small business owner
09:44 PM on 06/27/2011
We have revenue problem, not spending problem. Take away emergency expeditures, which will expire next year anyway, you would need to cut deep in military and Medicare. That would cause about 2-3 millions of extra unemployment overnight. Basically end of this country as we know it!

By raising revenues we can transition to smaller military and single payer in health care over time, say 5 years.
12:20 AM on 06/28/2011
no thanks
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08:27 AM on 06/28/2011
We have a spending problem too. Specifically, we have a problem with medical spending -- not in the government budget per se, although it certainly shows up there, but in actual use of buildings, equipment, work-hours, etc. to provide medical services that aren't of much benefit. Single-payer by itself won't fix that.

What would fix it is if we could cheaply evaluate who will and won't benefit from expensive treatments, and if we could cure chronic conditions like diabetes instead of having them persist and keep having expensive complications.

When we make policy we look at each treatment in the abstract as a heroic life-saving cure, even though often it's just one day in a longstanding pattern of treating a chronic condition, even though often the person is just dying anyway.

Eventually most of us will get to the point where we're treated for the broken hip and the infected bruises and the liver failure and the kidney failure and the atrial fibrillation and the pneumonia -- but all we get for it is that we die slowly in hospitals. If we were better at telling the difference between going to the hospital for the second-to-last time and going to the hospital for the last time, and we got to make the choice, most of us would opt to just skip the last one even if it were free. But we spend several percent of GDP on it.

That's a spending problem.
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Quinny
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09:17 PM on 06/27/2011
The only reason that we don't have people in the streets - like Greece -
is that the majority of Americans really don't understand the level of debt
that they are facing, and that THEY are responsible for paying. But they will...

Selah
08:29 PM on 06/27/2011
Why do I get the impression that some far right/tea bag folks think NOT raising the debt ceiling would be a win? Like they would party if it would happen!

To cut the national debt we do need to make reasonable cuts to spending but more important, we need to increase revenue to pay the debt. This means stop the tax breaks for the rich and big businesses. Everyone who believes that there should be tax increases for these folks should contact their Congress representatives. Let them know how you feel, and that you will remember their actions at re-elction time!

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
09:11 PM on 06/27/2011
RE: "Why do I get the impression that some far right/tea bag folks think NOT raising the debt ceiling would be a win? Like they would party if it would happen!"
===It would stop an out of control government from spending more money they don't have. Before you can save the patient you must first stop the bleeding. The government doesn't have to default on the debt. They can still pay the interest on the debt. Then they can decide what programs need funds. There is no provisions in the constitution that states they must borrow money to run a government. Not raising the debt ceiling makes congress do it's job of funding only the necessary parts of government. Controlling what the government is doing and funding has been a problem for the liberal socialist. They need to learn how to run a government under control for a change. No new debt ceiling until the govt. does the right thing for the people.
12:30 AM on 06/28/2011
agreed
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lw1
Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
05:30 AM on 06/28/2011
It was not a liberal government that wrecked the economy - the economy and job creation are always better under Democrats.

Between 2002 and 2006, three-quar­ters of all the economy's growth was captured by the top 1%. They put less of a percentage of their income back into the US economy than the lower 99%.

Bush acquired 4.6% unemployme­nt left office it was 7.6% (thats 3% difference­). Obama 7.6 to 9.1 (1.5% increase). So which is more genius 3% under Bush or 1.5% under Obama
job growth by president:
Harry S. Truman (Democrat): increase of 2.95 percent a year

Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican): increase of 0.50 percent a year 

John F. Kennedy (Democrat): increase of 2.03 percent a year

Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat): increase of 3.88 percent a year 

Richard M. Nixon (Republican): increase of 2.16 percent a year

Gerald R. Ford (Republican): increase of 0.86 percent a year 

Jimmy Carter (Democrat): increase of 3.45 percent a year

Ronald Reagan (Republican): increase of 2.46 percent a year

George H.W. Bush (Republican): increase of 0.40 percent a year 

Bill Clinton (Democrat): increase of 2.86 percent a year 

George W. Bush (Republican): increase of 0.01 percent a year
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baileywick
04:56 PM on 06/27/2011
My question: Who will profit if the economy falls?
Last time it was Too Big To Fail banks and Wall St. companies who got taxpayer money to survive, paid themselves outrageous bonus' and lent nothing to the middle class.
I am not optimistic.
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MovieGuy2010
You can't fight in here..this is the war room!
06:16 PM on 06/27/2011
One interesting fact, to the chagrin of our Teabagging breatheren is, Currency Speculators would probably stand to make a fricking bundle if the Insane Clown Posses lead by Cantor et all decide to destroy the Full Faith and Credit of the United States in the quest for Grover Nordquist tax purity....

Yes, George Soros would probably make a fricking bundle, baggers, if you guys decide to destroy the US dollar cause Rush told you how cool it would be....
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AngryBuddist
11:49 PM on 06/27/2011
How many shares of SKF do you own?

I have a small hedge of them in an IRA because because I have to defend against the bat poop crazy. And I have a perverse like of the banks losing money.
04:32 PM on 06/27/2011
Tax the damn rich for god sakes
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johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
04:59 PM on 06/27/2011
And close the tax loopholes. If the Democrats don't start making noise about the Republican interference with the economy, how is the public suppose to know what's going on? The MSM in never going to be any help unless their forced into it. The President needs to decide who he works for, Wall Street or Main Street.
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had410
another veteran voting for Ron Paul
08:32 PM on 06/27/2011
do you have any idea how much 14,000,000,000,000.00 dollars is. if you took all of the money "rich" people had , you probably wouldnt enen have 1,000,000,000,000.00. we have a spending problem.
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holliebridget
01:38 AM on 06/28/2011
Still the rich should be taxed more.
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lw1
Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
05:37 AM on 06/28/2011
In 2000 Trump proposed a one time tax of 14% on the rich to pay off the national debt.

The rich are a lot richer than you realize. The CBO says the deficit will dissapear by the end of this decade if we let Bush tax cuts expire and do not increase spending:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/chart-of-the-day-if-congress-does-nothing-the-deficit-will-disappear.php?ref=fpb