Flu Shot During Pregnancy Is Good For Baby: Study

TIME:

Very young babies are the children most likely to be hospitalized for flu, making it particularly important for their mothers to get immunized while pregnant. And now new research shows that babies born to moms who were vaccinated during pregnancy were up to 48 percent less likely to be hospitalized for influenza.

Read the whole story: TIME

Comments

[farmilyman]

11:42 AM on 07/01/2011

It's for depopulation

[Marsha McClelland]

02:17 PM on 07/01/2011

If vaccines are for depopulation, it's not those who believe it who are crazy. It's the fools trying to pull it off, who are.

"The Georgia Guidestones"

http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

Crazy, huh? Unbelievable!

[farmilyman]

03:13 PM on 07/01/2011

Yep, it's right under everyone's noses what the plan is. Also check the murals at the Denver airport.

[cable1977]

11:01 AM on 07/01/2011

Heather,

I can no longer comment on that particular thread as it is far too long to be reasonable. I will answer you point here:

You claim that my statement that NotEve said that thimerosal contains mercury is wrong based on her quote here:

"“thimerosa­l­, a mercury containing organic compound (which is physiologi­cally very different from 'mercury')­”"

So, "thimerosal, a mercury containing organic compound" is not equivalent to saying that "thimerosal contains mercury". I'm sorry, perhaps I deal with reading comprehension differently that you do, but it certainly sounds equivalent to me.

Or is you complaint about the "physiologically different from mercury"? That also is another accurate statement. Are you saying that thimerosal and mercury have the exact same physiological results? Please be aware that physiologically different implies pharmacokinetics and toxicokinetics (i.e. blood half-lives, excretion, etc), so unless you have a paper showing that mercury acts the same as thimerosal you really don't have a leg to stand on here.

"I don’t have a problem admitting error, maybe you should learn from my actions and do the same? "

What error? That thimerosal is a mercury containing compound, a fact you have Jon have repeated multiple times, despite the fact that NotEve specifically said that intially.

[cable1977]

11:08 AM on 07/01/2011

"Our health authoritie­s state that thimerosal is a mercury derivative and is toxic to humans thus the skull and crossbones on the label"

And entirely irrelevant to whether NotEve's statements were accurate or not. She certainly never stated that mercury or thimerosal is non-toxic, did she? If so, please provide her quotation that supports such a claim.

"So this is a pattern. You critique every typo on the vaccine-sa­fety side and let blatant errors from the anti-vacci­ne safety side slide."

Even if that is true (with which I disagree), it is certainly not against the HuffingPost terms of service to be biased. If that were so, then I should be well justified in flagging virtually every one of your posts, correct?

"Again it was your assessment of my commentary correcting NotEve’s errors that I find abusive. "

Nowhere does it say that I have to treat all commenters equally, does it? I find NotEve's statements to be generally accurate especially compared to others. You may not like the tone of her statements or the implication that thimerosal is physiologically different from mercury, but those are ACCURATE statements. Thimerosal IS physiologically different from mercury. YOU posted the Burbacher paper below showing the Thimerosal IS physiologically different from methyl-mercury, so I'm somewhat confused why you find such a statement to be inaccurate. Contrast that with your typo and with your incorrect reading of the Charleston paper. Those are true inaccuracies of factual information.

[Marsha McClelland]

02:25 PM on 07/01/2011

You regulars here spinning the deception & working 24/7 can be commended for diligence but as you see, the world is no longer buying the bull.

Heather & those like her are to be commended for a lot more than just diligence & truth is on their side as thinking people, paying attention, can tell.

[nowGo4ward]

12:37 PM on 06/30/2011

I personally hope that HP will consider modifying the above headline. In order to determine if a vaccine or any pharmaceutical "during pregnancy is good for baby" a follow through on all health outcomes, including miscarriage, preterm delivery, mortality, and neurological and immune health is what is needed.

[NotEve]

08:41 PM on 06/29/2011

An article reporting on a credible scientific study validating one of the many benefits of vaccination...

Let the uninformed conspiracy theorists and fear mongerers be drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

[fmz]

12:21 PM on 06/30/2011

LMAO thanks. I believe questioning establishment and motives is not only beneficial to intelligence and a healthy society but is also what would be considered Democracy.

As to your use of uniformed as an adjective describing conspiracy theorists in attempts to belittle or disqualify opinions counter to yours I would have to consider just plain Ignorant.

[NotEve]

03:46 PM on 06/30/2011

Well FMZ, these being comments posted on the computer I have no way of knowing if these people are wearing uniforms or not.

However, my assessment of their being uninformed is not baseless hyperbole. It is instead clearly evidenced by the posted comments - most of which misunderstand and misinterpret the studies they cite, provide links to completely biased and unreliable websites, and generally display a complete lack of understanding of the basic scientific concepts underlying this and related topics.

I was not making a statement intended to belittle or disqualify these opinions, I was making an assessment of those opinions - most of which are uninformed, fear mongering, and based on unsubstantiated, pseudo-science based conspiracy theories.

You are welcome to believe whatever you wish - that's your right. But all opinions are not created equal. The more credible opinions are based on evidence, logic and critical thinking. Recognizing those that aren't is not ignorant, its insight.

[Marsha McClelland]

02:26 PM on 07/01/2011

LOL.

[Taximom5]

08:06 PM on 06/29/2011

"And now new research shows that babies born to moms who were vaccinated during pregnancy were up to 48 percent less likely to be hospitalized for influenza."

Maybe because they were more likely to be hospitalized for things like post-vaccination seizures? Or because they were more likely to die of SIDS than unvaccinated babies? Or because the mothers who received flu shots during pregnancy were more likely to miscarry?

[NotEve]

08:47 PM on 06/29/2011

Or maybe because vaccination increases the serum levels of the mother's IgG immunoglobulins which are able to cross the placental blood barrier to provide the newborn infant with passive immunity against influenza in its first few months of life?

...But that would just make too much darn sense, now wouldn't it?

[Josephius]

01:29 AM on 06/30/2011

Seizers? Not in the data.

SIDS? Not in the data.

Miscarriage? Not I the data.

Man, it's got to be great to make up your own conclusions even if it isn't reality.

[Marsha McClelland]

12:18 PM on 07/02/2011

No one paying attention buys what you are selling, any more, Jo. Time to find other work as the truth is out of the box.

[Josephius]

07:14 PM on 06/29/2011

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/womens-health/articles/2011/06/29/flu-shots-for-pregnant-women-also-protect-newborns-study-finds

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-06/wfbm-ivd062211.php

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16323157

[Marsha McClelland]

03:55 PM on 06/29/2011

The following is very damning for all the mis-information that has been effectively debunked for anyone & all who pay attention & do the proper research instead of just beLIEving what we are told;

"Parents Voice:
Children’s Adverse Outcomes Following Vaccination

http://www.followingvaccinations.com/

I believe there are over 1000 voices there of parents telling it like it is & more being added daily.

[Marsha McClelland]

06:38 PM on 06/29/2011

Here’s an informative website to go along with those 1000 + & growing list of parent's voices, I just showed you. This site was created 8 years ago by two parents in the medical field who lost their child to death as many have & yet the propaganda marches on. This web site is designed to help educate others so their children won't meet with the same fate.

http://www.ouralexander.org/

“A review of the medical literature concerning the treatment of medulloblastoma, the ineffectiveness of chemotherapy, the lack of freedom to choose the most effective therapy to save your child’s life, and vaccination as a possible cause of the increasing rates of pediatric cancers…”

This is what vaccines really represent & is sickening as the propaganda is allowed to march on as doctors forget the oath they took.

“First do no harm”
“Primum non nocere”
—Hippocratic Oath

[NotEve]

08:36 PM on 06/29/2011

Sorry, but anecdotal evidence compiled on the internet is not scientifically credible, regardless of how many 1000s have contributed.

If your links are sufficient to undermine credible scientific research then I must also conclude from a simple google search that Jesus played with dinosaurs, that global warming is a big hoax, and that aliens built the pyramids.

[cable1977]

07:36 AM on 06/30/2011

You forgot about the Reptilians in the government.

[fmz]

12:25 PM on 06/29/2011

A Flu shot for anyone is poison. Get the list of ingredients and then make a decision.

[Josephius]

01:33 AM on 06/30/2011

It's poison. That explains why they are used world-wide. Endorsed by doctors and scientists, who also use them and give them to their family and friends.

But the virus....hey, that's perfectly cool! Nothing like a parasite taking over cells to make more of itself, spread, and causing damage in the mean time. That's perfectly acceptable.

[fmz]

12:08 PM on 06/30/2011

Wrong they are not used world wide, unless you consider as many other ethnocentric shills the US the world. Yeah hey they're endorsed by Doctors and Schools which receive, MONEY- kick backs. Look I don't care if you want to get some man made substance added to your blood stream go for it, I don't.

[cvail]

11:54 AM on 06/29/2011

I am appalled at the lack of scientific information disseminated in this article. It must have been written by an employee of Merck!!!! Conscientious and information seeking people must do their own research and then they will know that this headline and article are plain and simple LIES....

[Josephius]

07:38 PM on 06/29/2011

Similar reports are up on a number of news sites. Why not check them out. Or, you can believe that Merck is in total control of all these news sites.

[Heather XW]

12:28 AM on 06/29/2011

I followed the link provided for more information and couldn't find the "study". This is an opinion not a scientific study. The headline is misleading an irresponsible.

The multi-dose vials of flu vaccine contain mercury a neuro-toxin. The responsible thing would be to inform the parents so true consent can take place.

Here is what the peer-review states:

"Influenza vaccines have a modest effect in reducing influenza symptoms and working days lost. There is no evidence that they affect complications, such as pneumonia, or transmission. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20614424

[NotEve]

07:51 PM on 06/29/2011

If you weren't able to find the study then you couldn't have been able to read it. Therefor your assertions about it are just uninformed conjecture.

If you are interested in actually reading the study you can find it here: http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(11)00232-8/fulltext

Flu vaccines do not contain mercury. Here's a list of vaccine excipients by brand: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf

What I assume you're referring to is the use of thimerosal, a mercury containing organic compound (which is physiologically very different from 'mercury') used in some vaccines as a preservative. While there has been some controversy surrounding the use of thimerosal its generally been manufactured hyperbole with no credible scientific evidence behind it. However, for those that prefer it there are thimerosal-free flu vaccines available.

I agree that the responsible thing is to inform parents, which specifically means avoiding fear-mongering and spreading of pseudo-science based conspiracy theories.

[Heather XW]

12:53 AM on 06/30/2011

Your link is broken.

His link does not report on a scientific study.

Flu vaccines do not contain mercury?

Wrong!

From the FDA:

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

Fluzone (multi-dose presentation) 25 mg/0.5 mL - this is the vaccine that was injected into the children in my son elementary school during class hours. The parents were not informed that the vials contained thimerosal.

Fluvirin 25 mg/0.5 mL dose)

Afluria (24.5 mg/0.5mL dose)

Where I live you cannot get a thimerosal free flu vaccine unless you can prove you are allergic to the neuro-toxin.

"(which is physiologically very different from 'mercury')"

From the FDA:

"Thimerosal, which is approximately 50% mercury by weight"

Thimerosal injected primates have higher uptakes of disposition fate of inorganic mercury particularly in the brain and was associated with microglia activation.

Excerpt from study:

"It is important to note that “an active neuroinflammatory process” has been demonstrated in brains of autistic patients, including a marked activation of microglia (Vargas et al. 2005)."

http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.7712

Yes informed consent.

[JonGH]

12:11 AM on 07/01/2011

NotEve,

Please don’t forget that thimerosal­-containing influenza vaccines (TCVs) are not just being administered to 6+ old infants. They are also being administered to pregnant women. Thus, exposing the developing CNS and brain of the fetus to ethylmercury.

As you now know, thimerosal is still being used as a preservative in the majority of the flu vaccine supply (see thread above). And this has been the case every year since 2005. The adult seasonal flu vaccine (and 2009's H1N1 flu vaccine, a 2-dose series) contains 25 mcg of ethylmercury/injection.

About 4 million children are born in the US every year. Since the CDC has officially recommended that the flu vaccine be administered to pregnant women (since 2005, I believe); how many women in the US would you estimate have received a thimerosal­-containing flu vaccine in the last 5+ years? And thus, how many infants in-utero (whose weight could be measured in ounces) have been purposely exposed to the hazardous neurodevelopmental toxicant ethylmercury???

Hundreds of thousands? One million? Five million?

[chaverah]

10:27 PM on 06/28/2011

If mainstream media is pushing the flu shot onto our most vulnerable it must be wonderful, right? Yes wonderfully profitable $$$. Wake up America. Sniff out the rat--Big Pharma.

[KatPlaysFair]

09:49 PM on 06/28/2011

Oh. My. Good for babies? And from where are we getting all the necessary research to back this one? Certainly stating a vaccine for a baby developing in the womb is 'good' would need to be backed by incredible findings on a great number of health indicators over time in the life of many children. And, certainly we would have all the research, first, to indicate that vaccinations are completely safe and effective for older infants, children, and adults.

Anyone know of such numerous large-scale studies yielding these wonderful, practically magical, results?

[Josephius]

07:32 PM on 06/29/2011

Ever hear of pubmed? Google scholar? Give them a try some time.

[KatPlaysFair]

08:35 AM on 06/30/2011

Josephius, still waiting on my old allergies and vax question from a different thread. Waiting, waiting, and waiting....

[NotEve]

08:28 PM on 06/29/2011

Yes, the study cited in the article for starters - a study which you've clearly not read. Once you finish reading about the 7 years of data that covers then you can read through the 44 referenced studies that further support their conclusions.

Seriously, you should read the study and try to put your uninformed assumptions aside while you do. This is a credible study with solid conclusions. The results are not magical, but completely consistent with basic immunology.

[KatPlaysFair]

08:41 AM on 06/30/2011

Exactly - BASIC immunology.

There is so much more to this discussion than the vaccine advocates ever dare to admit (or perhaps, acknowledge).

[Mary Hendrick]

08:11 PM on 06/28/2011

"This is bunk! Receiving a flu shot, when pg or otherwise, is very dangerous to the developing baby and immune system of both mother and chid. Per Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, considered the world's top immunogeneticist, a 10-yr study he conducted showed that 5 consecutive flu shots (5 yrs) raises one's risk 10-fold of developing Alzheimer's due to the synergistic effect of mercury and aluminum causing cognitive dysfunction as well as neurological damage. 1 mcg of mercury and aluminum is considered neuro-toxic and 25 mcgs. of mercury would be 'acceptable' per the EPA, IF one weighed over 400#. Then, to add insult to injury, the baby is injected shortly after birth w/240 mcgs. of aluminum per the hepB shot. 49 doses of 14 vaccines by age 6 is excessive w/more planned. 'Pincushions of profit' is how the drug co$ see our children and ourselves. Over $92 million was paid out in 2007 for vaccine damage and over $2 billion since '86 when Congress enacted a vaccine liability protection act."

[NotEve]

08:22 PM on 06/29/2011

Dr. Fudenberg? Thats your credible source of information? A guy who lost his medical license after the SC medical board concluded he was "guilty of engaging in dishonorable, unethical, or unprofessional conduct?"

The same guy who's associated with Dr. Wakefield (who also lost his medical license) and the completely debunked, discredited and unethical "study" linking MMR and autism?

Its clear where the 'bunk' is, and its nowhere near this article or the study its reporting.

http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/fudenberg/1995order.shtml
http://briandeer.com/mmr-lancet.htm

[alykatma]

08:23 PM on 06/30/2011

I wonder how many fetal demise cases were ignored to make the numbers look good.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/06/08/should-pregnant-women-avoid-all-vaccines.aspx

[Mary Hendrick]

02:02 AM on 07/01/2011

What drug co$ are you a $hill for? It's obvious your knowledge is cursory at best and you know squat about vaccines and the damage they confer. When you write over 850 peer-reviewed articles as Dr. Fudenberg has and are considered among your colleagues and scientists around the world as the world's leading immunogeneticist, then you can talk. Both doctors were hung out to dry by the medical establishment via Pharma. It's all about controlling the bottom line and we can't have people taking their own health into their own hands and making responsible decisions, now can we? At least that's the agenda of drug co$ w/which I'm very familiar w/having a medical background and a sister-in-law as a former pharma rep who after 17 yrs could no longer stomach the lies and manipulated stats that she was taught to disseminate to doctors. Some of the docs and research scientists that she met during her Pharma yrs confided in her that they could no longer be forced to tweak their findings to fit the drug co$ agenda and quit. If they brought up their objections or concerns that their research findings were being manipulated, they were told that their careers would be on the line and they would advance no further in their respective fields. Many were ostracized and hung out to dry as they were considered 'whistleblowers'.

[kathemayh]

07:54 PM on 06/28/2011

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/06/fda-fires-warning-shot-at-australian.html

A warning letter from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to Australian vaccine maker CSL Biotherapies has shaken confidence in the country's biotech superstar. The 15 June letter accuses CSL of failing to adequately investigate why its Fluvax influenza vaccine last year caused a sharply elevated rate of febrile convulsions in some children under the age of five. "There was no analysis of all critical parameters and critical processing steps to try to determine differences in the 2010 lots associated with Adverse Event reports compared to lots from previous seasons" the letter states. The letter gave CSL 15 days to respond to its concerns or risk losing its license to sell Fluvax in the United States, where it is marketed under the name Afluria.

That really should be all that has to be said on the matter. Our own FDA is sending letters concerning the toxicity and danger to children. FEBRILE CONVULSIONS.

[Shawn Siegel]

02:22 PM on 06/28/2011

I didn't realize HuffPo could be so... well, cavalier, in the content of its articles. Say, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I wanna sell. Anybody interested?