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Illinois Gun Control Battle: Gun Rights Advocates Adjust Their Target

Concealed Carry Illinois

By CHRISTOPHER WILLS   06/29/11 06:00 PM ET   AP

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. -- As state after state voted to let residents carry concealed guns, Illinois has held out, for a long list of reasons: A strong gun control movement. A dynasty of powerful Chicago mayors. A line-up of state leaders who oppose expanding access to guns.

With Wisconsin now on the verge of adopting concealed carry, Illinois soon will be all alone, the last state with a complete ban on carrying concealed weapons. That makes it the next big prize in the fierce national contest over gun control, with the National Rifle Association and its allies targeting the 50th state.

Despite the obstacles, gun-rights advocates believe time and political momentum are on their side. Pro-gun groups expect to make another push this fall or next spring. They're also pursuing at least two lawsuits. The outcome of the effort will determine whether firearms officially achieve new status in the United States -- something citizens of every state can own and carry, regardless of regional differences or which party is in power. In Illinois, the issue will also provide insight into the new leadership of the state's dominant city, which has firmly blocked legalization in the past.

"We never give up," said Andrew Arulanandam, public affairs director for the National Rifle Association. "We've been around 140 years as an organization. If we don't get something this time around, we're going to work until we get it."

Right now, Wisconsin is the only other state that doesn't give people a way to obtain permission to carry concealed guns. But lawmakers there have voted to end their ban, and Gov. Scott Walker said Monday that he would sign the change into law after July 4. .

Gun control advocates want to hang on to Illinois and avoid nationwide defeat on concealed carry.

"Illinois is really important nationally," said Mark Walsh, director of the Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. The country needs "one state people can look to and see it's still doing the right thing," he said.

Nobody can be confident about what will happen in Illinois without knowing why it has clung to a policy that every other state rejects. There's no single explanation, however.

Chicago is a big part of it. In much of the state, guns are commonplace, used for hunting and target-shooting. But in Chicago, guns are associated with crime. People worry that concealed guns will mean more shootings – in bars, on the El, at neighborhood festivals.

The city's leaders have a long record of supporting gun control measures. The U.S. Supreme Court recently struck down Chicago's complete ban on handgun ownership in the city.

"It's about as anti-gun a city as one could find," said Harry Wilson, a gun control expert at Virginia's Roanoke College.

But plenty of states have legalized concealed carry despite having large cities where gun crimes are a major concern: New York, Michigan, Pennsylvania and more.

Wilson suggested the difference could be that the major cities in those states don't have the same political muscle as Chicago – home to two legendary mayors named Daley, each of whom served more than 20 years. Both Daleys emphasized gun control. The city's new mayor, Rahm Emanuel, who took office in May, certainly won't abandon the issue, but might not consider concealed carry to be a top priority.

Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, agreed Chicago is what sets Illinois apart from other states.

"None of those places have something called the Chicago machine," Pearson said. "When you control the money for all the legislators for the state, then you have a huge amount of power over how people vote."

The state's most powerful politicians come from Chicago and collectively dominate the Illinois Legislature. The governor, Senate president, House speaker and attorney general are all Chicago Democrats.

Gov. Pat Quinn has promised to veto concealed carry legislation if it were to reach his desk.

"I don't agree with those advocates who feel that that is a measure for public safety. I think it's the opposite," Quinn said last week.

But Quinn's role might not matter if concealed carry were to win legislative approval, which would require a three-fifths vote under procedural rules. When the Illinois House voted on the issue last month, concealed carry had a 65-32 majority but still failed. It needed 71 votes to pass. But that means if it ever reaches the governor, it would have enough votes to overcome Quinn's veto.

The bill's sponsor, Rep. Brandon Phelps, a Democrat from Harrisburg, in rural southern Illinois, said support is inching upward because of the state's new legislative districts. With Chicago's population declining, many of the city's districts have been redrawn to stretch out into the suburbs. So some city-based politicians may wind up running partly in areas that are more sympathetic to legalizing concealed weapons.

"I see more Chicago legislators opening up to talk," said Phelps. And if every other state lets people carry concealed guns, it's no longer possible to argue the idea is radical and dangerous, gun rights advocates say.

Phelps hopes to hold another vote during the Legislature's brief fall session or when they resume normal business next year. But powerful Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan may not let the contentious issue come up again soon.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence says it's ready to fight the legislation again. Brian Malte, the group's director of state legislation, said Illinois is "ground zero in the gun control debate" over concealed carry but also over strengthening background checks and banning assault weapons.

"It's really a tug of war," Malte said. "Next year will be a very interesting year in the Illinois Legislature."

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Rooster Coburn 02:25 AM on 06/30/2011
Gun control is really about disarming members of minority groups.
1941 Florida: 
Judge admits gun law passed to disarm black laborers.
In concurring opinion narrowly construing a Florida
gun control law passed in 1893, Justice Buford stated
the 1893 law "was passed when there was a great influx
of negro laborers in this State....The same condition
existed when the Act was  Read More...
10:59 AM on 07/12/2011
So we are the only state that is going to be left with no way to defend our self’?

Wow don’t I feel like the naked woman in a prison.
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Veprk
02:58 AM on 07/12/2011
This is the ugly truth of the gun debate. Overpopulation is and will be the problem that causes our demise. Even if you handed out guns to every person on earth, the world as we know it will end soon from running out of food, oil, clean water, disease,ect. NOT from people shooting each other. Once people realize that gun control should be way down on the priority list to waste time talking about, it's going to be too late.
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bettestreep
No more wire hangers EVER!!!
02:31 AM on 07/12/2011
I have no problem with people carrying loaded firearms in schools, kindergartens, nightclubs, shopping malls, churches or on buses, trains and airplanes.

Who knows when the King of England might appear and threaten you!
11:08 PM on 07/11/2011
It is a shame that Illinois is held back on the 2nd Amendment and its citizens rights. The Bill of Rights is not the bill of suggestions, all Americans deserve the right to exercise our freedoms, including bearing arms. Remember, the police are always minutes away when seconds count.
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Fang1944
08:15 AM on 08/02/2011
Illinois has the lowest rate of violent crimes per 100,000 people. They may be doing something right.
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enlightenedgirl
the truth will set you free
06:03 PM on 07/11/2011
What is with Guns???  Do most little boys growing up with toy guns, think they need a grown up ones too. Do shoot 'em up Video Games make people think that carrying a Gun is no big deal.  Concealed weapons will only increase the murder rate.

Who is making all of this money from the Gun Lobby?  Who are the Gun Manufacturers, the Arms Dealers and who sits on the Board's of this Industry?  Lawmakers... do you think???
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
08:24 PM on 07/11/2011
"Concealed weapons will only increase the murder rate"

Has this happened in the other states that have had concealed carry laws for years now? You said it, so maybe you should be the one to support it. I already know the answer, but when people do their own research and reading I believe they learn better. You might also consider the reasons that some of us want to carry a gun. It has nothing to do with "little boys toy guns", I assure you. Hint: I live in Oregon. ;>)
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01:42 AM on 07/05/2011
"June 30, 2011 Gov. Kasich signed into law a bill that allows gun owners in the state to carry concealed weapons into bars and other places where alcohol is served. Lo and behold, someone was shot in a bar in Huber Heights, Ohio on July 3rd. In Ohio, we don't have the option to recall him. (But we did gather enough signatures to vote to repeal his union busting bill.) Kasich needs to be stopped!"

Thought I would share with everyone,and so it begins.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
05:05 PM on 07/05/2011
" Lo and behold, someone was shot in a bar in Huber Heights"

Was the gunman a concealed carry permit holder? Nope. Neither person had a concealed carry permit. Therefore, the new law had nothing to do with it. Both were illegally carrying. Bar shoot-outs like this took place before the new law.
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07:39 PM on 07/05/2011
So what is the purpose of allowing concealed weapons in a bar ? Any law should have a purpose, this one doesn't make sense. Fine the person that came up with idea of concealed weapons in a bar and you will discover it's simple about making money. Let lead the sheeps to slaughter.
01:06 AM on 07/12/2011
Good job!
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Jerry Bourbon
11:35 AM on 07/06/2011
Would this crime involving people who did not hold CCW licenses have been avoided if Kasich had not signed the new law?

If not, what is your point?
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ILoveGreatDanes
When the going gets tough, the tough take a nap.
09:22 PM on 06/30/2011
Wow, I'm impressed. FINALLY one way my home state of Texas isn't behind the times on a certain issue! I'm a tiny 5'2" woman whose husband works out of town a lot and my 9mm Ruger is my best friend. The only way anyone takes away my guns is out of my cold, dead hand. . .
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CelticMajic
The answer lies in each of us individually
08:49 AM on 07/01/2011
F&F
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enlightened45
12:03 PM on 07/01/2011
Since you are about 4 times more likely to fulfill that statement than a situation without a gun, and about 9 times more likely that you will be some sort of victim of a firearm , that probable outcome is highly likely.....but keep on convincing yourself that you are safer......that's how the gun folks make their big $$$$$$$$.
04:59 PM on 07/01/2011
And here we have people regurgitating disproved statistical claims, probably knowingly so.

I guess they say if you repeat a lie enough times...
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
05:15 PM on 07/01/2011
I tell you what-- you go right on believing that nonsense, and I will go right on being a disabled person who is now armed and able to defend myself and my family from violent criminals. You may be "Chuck Norris" but I am not-- my bare hands are inadequate to the task. I have a legal and moral right to defend my own life and I am indeed safer now. Deal with it.
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Jerry Bourbon
04:07 PM on 06/30/2011
How are Illinois and Vermont alike?

Neither issues CCW permits. (Illinois because the government fears an armed populace, and Vermont because no permit is needed to carry concealed.)

How are Illinois and Vermont different?

Illinois's violent crime rate (per capita) is FIVE TIMES higher than Vermont's.....
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enlightened45
12:06 PM on 07/01/2011
And just which large, major metropolitan area is in Vermont, JB?..Your ilk scream the loudest when the US is compared to other countries....and then you turn around and make an even more illogical comparison.
04:59 PM on 07/01/2011
I thought the gun laws were all that was necessary to compare the US to other nations...
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
05:40 PM on 07/01/2011
I do not mind comparing the USA to other countries at all. Mexico City is certainly a "major metropolitan area":
[As an "alpha" global city Mexico City is one of the most important financial centers in North America... The Mexico City metropolitan area population is 21.2 million people... the fifth largest agglomeration in the world. Mexico City has a gross domestic product (GDP) of $390 billion USD in 2008, making Mexico City the eighth richest city in the world. The metropolitan area accounted for 34% of total national GDP.]

Not rural and not "third world", in other words. Mexico, you may have noticed, currently has something of a crime problem. Despite their very strong gun control laws, the murder rate there is over 3 times that of the USA. To be fair, the crime rates in Mexico City are not that bad. "About the same as Los Angeles" (http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2010/08/mexico). My point is that you cannot legally carry a gun for self-defense there and the firearms laws are very strong and restrictive. Has that helped... anything at all? I do not believe that you make honest citizens any safer by disarming them. Criminals will always be able to get whatever weapons they want on the black market, and the physically strong will always prey on the weaker, regardless. Logical? I am a physically disabled man myself, by the way-- howdy.
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Fang1944
08:17 AM on 08/02/2011
According to the latest FBI uniform crime reports, Illinois has the lowest rate of violent crime per capita.
03:40 PM on 06/30/2011
God bless forward thinking Progressives like Democrat Rep Brandon Phelps. He is a beacon of light for Progressives moving FOWARD!!!

Anti gunners will be left in the dust, like their forefathers the flat earthers, centuries ago.......
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CapeJack
03:40 PM on 07/02/2011
As the growing numbers of like minded Progressives carry the common sense of this fact to their Democrat brethren the "problem" of guns in the hands of law abiding Americans will cease to exist.

F & F
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Jerry Bourbon
12:01 PM on 06/30/2011
Can someone tell me what happened to the RIVERS OF BLOOD!!! that we were promised when the ban on "assault weapons" expired in 2004, or when Florida and Texas started the CCW liberalization push 20 years ago?
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12:51 PM on 06/30/2011
Jerry, the violence is out there, all thanks to the gun. Innocent bystanders get shot every day. People use their weapons as a first resort constantly. Granted, we have to pay upwards of $10 per ticket, sit through countless trailers of bad previews and snack on overpriced, stale popcorn to see this carnage, but the rivers of blood are out there.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
12:56 PM on 06/30/2011
Your response may be more effective were you to provide reference to factual data in support of your claims.
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Jerry Bourbon
12:56 PM on 06/30/2011
Really? Everywhere except Illinois, you mean?
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Fang1944
02:54 PM on 06/30/2011
Well, the number of gun deaths has been increasing.

Date Deaths Population Crude Rate Age-Adjusted Rate

1999 28,874 279,040,181 10.35 10.30
2000 28,663 281,421,906 10.19 10.14
2001 29,573 285,081,556 10.37 10.31
2002 30,242 287,803,914 10.51 10.43
2003 30,136 290,326,418 10.38 10.28
2004 29,569 293,045,739 10.09 9.98
2005 30,694 295,753,151 10.38 10.26
2006 30,896 298,593,212 10.35 10.22
2007 31,224 301,579,895 10.35 10.23
Total 269,871 2,612,645,972 10.33

From the CDC.

How many deaths do you need for a river?
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schotts
Work hard, play harder
03:22 PM on 06/30/2011
You realize don't you that about 2/3 of those "deaths" are suicides, right?
03:24 PM on 06/30/2011
This makes no sense the way you have simply slammed up some numbers. Post the entire link.
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11:29 AM on 06/30/2011
I will state that pepper spray works better than a hand gun on Grizzly bears(from a first hand account) but your average person does not have the nose sensitivity that a bear does. Sometimes someone's strength is their weakness. Like liberal GUILT. Guilt can help suppress anti-social behavior but it can also be used to INCAPACITATE someone as well.
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
01:52 PM on 06/30/2011
Indeed it does!
Bear Advisory
The Forest Service has issued a BEAR WARNING in the national forests for this summer. They're urging everyone to protect themselves by wearing bells and carrying pepper spray.

Campers should be alert for signs of fresh bear activity, and they should be able to tell the difference between Black Bear dung and Grizzy Bear dung.

Black Bear dung is rather small and round. Sometimes you can see fruit seeds and/or squirrel fur in it.

Grizzly Bear dung has bells in it, and smells like pepper spray!
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02:11 PM on 06/30/2011
haha...
08:40 PM on 07/11/2011
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! I love it.
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
04:47 PM on 06/30/2011
Yup. I always carry more than one self-defense option, myself. I have noted that people who carry only a gun sometimes find themselves in different situations. A police officer a few years back in my state was off duty and jogging when confronted by a dog. He had a gun, but no pepper spray. The result was a dead pet and an outraged neighborhood. I myself have been confronted in public by mentally ill / drunk people. I carry a cane, a cell phone and pepper spray besides my gun. For the woods, I add Counter Assault bear repellent ;>)
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Jerry Bourbon
05:02 PM on 06/30/2011
Wow, what a concept. A police man with common sense. Having seen the endless parade of dead Labrador Retrievers and homeless crazies with screwdrivers at the hands of the police, I had begun to believe commonsense was in short supply.
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11:16 AM on 06/30/2011
Someone should tell this guy he can't have a gun in Chicago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/30/pierre-a-solomon-shot-you_n_886357.html
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Jerry Bourbon
04:59 PM on 06/30/2011
Yes he can. In Chicago, only law abiding citizens are prohibited from carrying arms.

He is not a law abiding citizen, ergo...
11:09 AM on 06/30/2011
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
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schotts
Work hard, play harder
11:20 AM on 06/30/2011
Which is why the majority of police support concealed carry. As a cop friend of mine says "carry every day; I might need you to back ME up someday".
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11:24 AM on 06/30/2011
Some people don't realize that order must be enforced upon a certain element of society and the police can't be at all places at all times, especially with city revenues dwindling.
02:48 PM on 06/30/2011
Really? Somebody ought to fire that guy!
11:08 AM on 06/30/2011
The 2nd amendment is there in case the government forgets the others.
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10:46 AM on 06/30/2011
It is great that there is an oasis in this country where there is no crime. I'm afraid to leave Illinois because the other 49 states are much more dangerous than Chicago.
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Fang1944
02:57 PM on 06/30/2011
Actually they are more dangerous. Illinois has the lowest rate of violent crime in the US.
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03:18 PM on 06/30/2011
Illinois, really? I seem to remember the state government considering to use the National Guard in Chicago because violence was so high, just last year...

But you just go ahead and keep on making up your "facts".
03:54 PM on 06/30/2011
Why do you keep repeating that falsehood? Illinois is 12th highest for violent crime.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_05.html