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Rabbi's Arrest Provokes New Friction Between Religion And Government In Israel

Rabbi Dov Lior

By AMY TEIBEL   06/29/11 11:41 AM ET   AP

JERUSALEM -- The arrest of a prominent Israeli settler rabbi who endorsed a book sanctioning the killing of non-Jews under some conditions is sharpening the battle lines between some Jewish religious sages and the Israeli government.

After Rabbi Dov Lior, spiritual leader of the radical Kiryat Arba settlement in the West Bank, was detained and brought in for police questioning, hundreds of his followers, most of them teenagers, went on a rampage. Other rabbis fulminated against the idea that a rabbi could be arrested at all.

On the other side, secular Israelis complained that some rabbis in Israel think they are above the law.

Lior, a longtime symbol of religious and nationalist extremism, was brought in for questioning Monday after his car was stopped on a West Bank road. Lior, who was freed after a brief interrogation, accused officers of "Bolshevik" tactics.

Joining critics of his own government's action, the Minister of Religious Affairs, Yaakov Margi, raged that the rabbi, who is in his late 70s, was "abducted on his way to Jerusalem like the lowest criminal."

Lior was brought in Monday after ignoring a series of official police orders to report for interrogation.

His arrest angered supporters as a mark of disrespect for a venerated scholar.

Hundreds of disciples tried to block the road to the entrance to the city, snarling traffic at afternoon rush hour. Others tried to attack the Supreme Court. Hundreds besieged the home of a government official they thought was responsible for the arrest warrant.

The warrant had been pending for months in connection with a preface Lior wrote in support of a book, "The King's Teachings." The book quotes some religious sages as permitting, under certain conditions, the killing of non-Jews, including babies, "if there is a good chance they will grow up to be like their evil parents."

Police wanted to question Lior over the possibility that his endorsement of the book was incitement to murder.

Backers accused authorities of assaulting Lior's freedom of speech and complained that inflammatory statements by leftists against nationalist Israelis did not draw similar sanctions.

Critics of Lior and his camp saw a sign that some rabbis and their followers believe that secular law does not apply to them.

"Those who favor freedom of expression will of course find it difficult to accept as self evident the arrest of a person, any persona, for things that he said or wrote," read an editorial in Wednesday's Haaretz newspaper.

"But from the moment that the police decided to summon Rabbi Dov Lior to an investigation, he should have reported, even if he is firmly opposed to doing so, and taken advantage of every legitimate way of protesting against the claims against him," Haaretz wrote, calling for Lior's dismissal from his official, state-paid positions.

The Jerusalem Post wrote it was not clear that Lior committed a crime.

"He has, however, placed his rabbinic reputation behind a morally repugnant book" with "far-reaching and horrid implications, particularly in wartime settings," the newspaper said.

Lior told reporters afterward that he ignored the police orders to report for questioning because he considered them illegitimate.

Although respected in the religious nationalist community, Lior's teachings and commentaries have made him a polarizing figure in Israel for decades.

Following a shooting attack on a Jerusalem seminary in 2008, he ruled that Jewish law forbids employing and renting homes to Palestinians. He also praised Baruch Goldstein, the American immigrant doctor who massacred 29 Palestinians at a religious shrine in the West Bank city of Hebron in 1994.

Some rabbis have repudiated "The King's Teachings," which doesn't explicitly mention Arabs or Palestinians.

On Wednesday, the Israel Hayom newspaper reported that a sequel to "The King's Teachings" was in the works. Its author, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, said he has sold more than 2,000 additional copies of "The King's Teachings" since Lior's arrest.

Shapira was arrested briefly for questioning about the book last year. No one has been charged.

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yoyo1900
03:16 PM on 08/09/2011
And this is supposed to be a ''holy'' man? All these orthodox types are all wack jobs and so holier than thou jackasses.
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Fein
Either everybody counts or nobody does.
05:55 PM on 07/07/2011
"Also keep in mind that Dov Lior is welcome in Britain anytime, while Sheikh Raed Salah, who’s never advocated killing anyone, is in a British prison appealing an order banning him from the country."

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/07/02/rabbi-dov-lior-democracy-the-idol-worship-of-our-time/
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Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
08:49 AM on 06/30/2011
The irony is that if his book was published in Europe he would be brought to court by laws put in place to counter anti-Semitism.

It's interesting that the other rabbis were outraged by the idea a rabbi should be held accountable, rather than outraged by his senile ramblings that rubber-stamp racial attacks.
08:44 PM on 06/29/2011
They briefly detained him before letting him go? The same country that howls about Palestinian incitement from the rooftops on a regular basis to the whole wide world and even has an Incitement Index to gauge Palestinian "incitement" properly?

I'm shocked.
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
08:38 PM on 06/29/2011
His arrest proves that Israel’s government is not an extremist/racist one and cares about it’s Arab citizens.
08:26 AM on 06/30/2011
What are you smoking ?
09:24 AM on 06/30/2011
His brief detainment and continued employment by the state of Israel proves that above all, religion rules within Israel and extremist-racist concerns can be brushed aside so long as the people being vilified aren't Jewish. Palestinian incitement is so worthy of concern it should be whined about on the floor of Congress in another nation. Israeli incitement is taxpayer funded.
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
10:15 AM on 06/30/2011
Ok then I can argue Israel has freedom of religion unlike so many other Arab states. Even in the United States many religions exist that tell you to do things like practice polygamy, protest at funerals, and kill white people. None of them face arrest or if they do it’s for a few hours. I guess religion rules in this nation to.
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yonatan c
10:46 AM on 06/30/2011
How many of his followers have strapped bombs to themselves and killed innocent Palestinians? How many of his followers have broke into a families house and slaughtered them in cold blood? Palestinian murder is taxpayer funded.
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08:01 PM on 06/29/2011
This pains and confuses me. Is there really support for Jews killing the babies of "evil" people? If it is, then there is nothing acceptable about the Rabbi's involvement. If this is not true, there must be an immediate clarification. As a nation, we are up in arms demanding that Muslims must silence and denounce the hate speech that is promoted in the name of their religion. We must expect at least that much of ourselves.
08:58 PM on 06/29/2011
Any nation or religion has their clowns and monsters, even Jews. The difference is that this kind of hate is not sponsored by Government and not supported by majority of population unlike in some Muslim countries
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CubsFan77
01:18 AM on 06/30/2011
This is BS. The Israeli govt. and its proxies are some of the worst progenitors of violence the world knows today, and yes the majority of Israelis do support state sanctioned Israeli terrorism while maintaining racist views of Arabs not much different than this Rabbi probably does.
09:26 AM on 06/30/2011
"The difference is that this kind of hate is not sponsored by Government"

No, it isn't "sponsored" by the Government. It's sanctioned and paid for by the Israeli government who gives Dov Lior a paycheck.
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Rachelvis
There is a difference between "your" and "you're".
10:37 AM on 06/30/2011
Unfortunately it is true. However, every group is going to have it's crazies--just like Christians and Muslims, the Jews need to contend with these nutters as well. Jews are lucky because there aren't as many and the secular still have control of the state. The split second that they relinquish control, the state is GONE. With the population boom of orthodox and arabs in Israel, it might be a possibility. And that scares me.
05:41 PM on 06/30/2011
Yep! In a civilized country, a paid representative who expressed such views would b fired.
06:28 PM on 06/29/2011
Actually it is Bolshevism yet again. They don't actually quote the book and if they had soo what? He has a right to say (or endorse) the Biblical interpretation to a law (which the author actually wrote is only theoretical and not in practice). Secondly the leftists in Israel try to portray religious Jews and Rabbis as some sort of blood-thirsty criminals but its completely false. The book discusses war-time situations and in what cases and instances a soldier should take in order to save the lives of his comrades and himself (which discusses when one would be allowed to kill others in order to save yourself- as is frequently done by other nations like the U.S. military almost always).
03:37 PM on 06/30/2011
Sorry, nope! If an employee of the US federal govt endorses the murder of members of a specific religion/ethnicity PUBLICLY, he would be fired at the VERY least. That is illegal in the US.
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SamSeven
You're either with Humanity or you're not.
05:53 PM on 06/30/2011
There are 'hate crime laws' compliments of the Jewish lobbies pressure in Germany, France, and Canada specially for these kind of situations. Yet when a radical rabbi does it in Israel then he gets off, unbelivable!! It shows the hyprocrisy in the West that there two standards one of Jewish citizens in host countries while the rest of the population has to worry about 'freedom of speech.' Hate laws are totally anti-freedom of speech.
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Naor
01:44 AM on 07/06/2011
What specific religion/ethnicity did he endorse was acceptable to murder?
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yoyo1900
04:50 PM on 06/29/2011
What about freedom of speech. Does that exist in Israel?
05:18 PM on 06/29/2011
Not quite sure what you mean... He was interrogated for "incitement to murder," and was then let go. The same thing would have happened in the U.S...
03:38 PM on 06/30/2011
Except in the US, incitement to murder based on religion or ethnicity is a federal crime.
07:41 PM on 06/29/2011
No.
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
08:41 PM on 06/29/2011
Yes much more then in all the other Arab nations combined.
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yoyo1900
04:48 PM on 06/29/2011
'' If there is a chance that they will grow up like their evil parents ''. Some big chance you are taking there, buddy. And anyway I thought religion was supposed to be benevolent.
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Angie Tyne 1
I want my disagree button!!
02:15 PM on 06/29/2011
"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics." [Robert A. Heinlein, Postscript to Revolt in 2100]

For those who think that a religion is benign because it is old or not very powerful at the moment in your circumstance you need only look to history and any active modern theocracy.

Religion is about control. The old blood thirsty gods created by bronze age men have not gone away. They have simply adapted to their circumstances. When given the opportunity men will take the opportunity to impose their beliefs on all those within their sphere.

For those who do not want this to happen in the US please look into this organization.

www.au.org
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
07:42 PM on 06/29/2011
In short and without fancy words Religion is nothing else but a political party.
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Angie Tyne 1
I want my disagree button!!
08:01 PM on 06/29/2011
Always has been. Always will be.

LOL Sorry, I thought that was obvious. :D
03:40 PM on 06/30/2011
Yep!
02:00 PM on 06/29/2011
Delusional religious leaders, whether militaristic rabbis in the West Bank or foolish Christian Zionist fanatics in the US, do Israel a good deal of harm.
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Vlady
Better Late
02:15 PM on 06/29/2011
What about Barbados and Andorra?
03:42 PM on 06/30/2011
They're not living on the US dime.
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
08:43 PM on 06/29/2011
What about the secular supporters of Israel like Harry Read and Bill Clinton? Just to name two, Israel’s support goes far beyond the ultra religious.
01:04 PM on 06/30/2011
austin - - If you are saying that Israel is also damaged by "support" from prominent American politicians, I agree. They make it harder for Israel to get out of the West Bank and the Golan Heights.
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Gracie fr
01:18 PM on 06/29/2011
"Backers accused authorities of assaulting Lior's freedom of speech and complained that inflammatory statements by leftists against nationalist Israelis did not draw similar sanctions."
Most likely the "leftists" lacked a comprable ideological punch...you know,peace love and that we are all brothers hokey stuff....
12:42 PM on 06/29/2011
The rabbi is paid by the state of Israel. In the US, a federal civil servant would AT LEAST be fired for this.
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Vlady
Better Late
02:17 PM on 06/29/2011
>>The rabbi is paid by the state of Israel

...not by state of Syria or Iraq
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looneydoone
not a "cookie"
06:32 PM on 06/29/2011
In a secular democracy a Rabbi would not be on the payroll. In the USA I believe only chaplins are government employees, and they are active duty military personnel. Am I correct ??