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Muslims Gather At Largest Islamic Convention In North America

Islamic Society Of North America

First Posted: 07/03/11 07:30 PM ET Updated: 09/02/11 06:12 AM ET

ROSEMONT, Ill. -- If Muslims want to improve their image America, they have to get involved in their communities and proactively talk Islam before controversies arise, leading Muslim figures told 40,000 people gathered at the continent's largest Islamic convention this weekend.

The message, echoed among dozens of panels and discussion groups at the Islamic Society of North America's annual meeting in suburban Chicago, comes after a difficult year for American Muslims. Several states have passed or proposed bans of Islamic law, mosque construction projects have met ferocious opposition and polls have shown that many Americans have a negative perception of the religion.

Panels carried titles such as "Muslims Under a Microscope," "Anti-Sharia Initiatives: How to Respond" and "Not in My Backyard," regarding to anti-mosque construction campaigns. The sessions at ISNA, which were based upon the requests of members, indicated that Muslims are also concerned about the state of their religion as the 10th anniversary of 9/11 approaches.

"We have to balance the internal needs of the Muslim-American community with our need as Muslims to defend Islam," said Ingrid Mattson, a member of ISNA's executive council and a professor of Islamic Studies and Christian-Muslim Relations at Hartford Seminary. "We have to constantly battle those negative threats to define us."

ISNA's four-day convention, which ends Monday, drew top scholars and religious leaders of the estimated 2 million Muslims in the U.S. and also attracted a sizable Canadian contingent. The attendees included imams, activists, womens' issues advocates and Muslim professionals, but also among them were dozens of Muslim-oriented businesses and community groups.

In a vast bazaar that smelled or rosewater and incense, vendors hawked pre-packaged Halal chicken patties next to publishers selling Quranic translations and commentary in dozens of languages and vendors distributing brightly-colored headscarves and abayas, full-body robes for women.

Shariq Abdul Ghani, a graphic designer from Houston, was giving out free T-shirts at one booth. "Jesus and Mary were Muslim, too," read a bright orange one decorated with a drawing of a tree branch. "Islam is pretty awesome. 1.7 billion people like this," said another, mimicking the Facebook icon.

"We feel the best way to change the attitudes and opinions of those living in America is through informing and not preaching," said Ghani, who launched the Mineret Foundation with a group of Texan professionals last year to teach non-Muslims about Islamic beliefs. The group runs web sites, such as CuriousAboutIslam.com, with the aim of "pitching" Islam to non-Muslims in an informative, entertaining way. "Everyone in America has the right to be informed about the different aspects of Islam in a way they can relate to and understand," Ghani said.

Islam has no religious hierarchy and few national Muslim groups cover the spectrum of theology, activism and community engagement among Muslims, making ISNA unique among religious events in the United States. The convention drew from Sunni and Shia schools of Islam, which comprise the majority of Muslims practices.

The annual gathering is also significant among young Muslims who are looking to marry, and included a handful of popular sessions on matchmaking, marriage and family development.

About a hundred Muslims showed up for a panel Sunday on "Observing Islam in Everyday Life," where Islamic scholars gave advice on how to reconcile Islamic law and western traditions. That included discussion of Islamic financing and the stock market. Muslims should look for Islamic bank loans when buying homes to avoid paying interest, which is banned in the religion, but purchasing and selling stock at a profit is okay because it it similar to selling any other good, the scholars of the Fiqh Council of North America said.

But largely, the specter of some Americans' views of Islam loomed over many discussions.

"The average American is scared of Islam because he doesn't know about Islam," said Yasir Qadhi, a popular conservative cleric and dean of academic affairs of AlMagrib Insitute, a network of Islamic schools in the U.S. He spoke at a panel on "Islamophobia: Opportunities, Challenges and Responsibilities for Dawah," or the spreading of the religion.

Qadhi told Muslims to turn to the Quran, with it story of the hardships endured by the prophet Muhammad, when faced with challenges in their own communities.

Qadhi quoted a verse from Surat Ash-Sharh, a portion of the Quran: "Therefore, recall, with every difficulty, there will be ease."

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Ahmed Ahmad
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01:18 AM on 07/09/2011
Pardon if the rest of us find it disturbing that people would follow someone who is known to have killed many, inside and outside the battlefield. Regardless if some think he was a prophet or not.
01:52 AM on 07/09/2011
Please provide your sources.
03:37 PM on 07/09/2011
Even when defending against persecution, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) gave the commands, "Do not be embittered. Do not be treacherous. Do not mutilate. Do not kill children or those in covenants."

And it is also testified to by the Prophet's companion and third caliphate of Islam, who said in authentic traditions, "The Holy Prophet has forbidden the killing of women and children."

Likewise, the Prophet Muhammad's chief commander and first caliphate, Abu Bakr, ordered:

"Do not betray or be treacherous or vindictive. Do not mutilate. Do not kill the children, the aged or the woman. Do not cut or burn trees. Don't slay a sheep, a cow, or a camel, except for food. ."

Islamic law even forbade the destruction of nature, not to mention absolutely the taking of any innocent human life. The Quran holds all human life so sacred, irrespective of race or religion, that it says:

"If anyone killed a person — unless it was for murder or for spreading mischief in the land — it would be as if he killed the whole people," Quran 5:32
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05:18 PM on 07/09/2011
Puncastle for pope of islam. What are your chances? Is there really a silent majority of moderate muslims looking for a leader and another prophetic interpretor? Would you promise to give all proceeds to charity?
11:31 AM on 07/10/2011
What about killing of men? they are humans too
09:59 AM on 07/07/2011
ASK me about my religion! Why do I have to sell myself to you to make you like me (and don't give me that excuse about this being your country, because I was born and raised here just like every other red blooded American)? One lady told me that I must never have a bad hair day because I wear a scarf, and I laughed and told her that I still do my hair underneath it because I am allowed to uncover in front of other women. She was shocked to hear that, and it kicked off a 10 minute conversation about Islam and women. In the end, she thanked me for speaking with her about it. That was all it took. Most Muslims will not be offended if you ask them about Islam. I welcome it!
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03:26 PM on 07/07/2011
"Conversation" implies a two-way exchange of ideas.
09:08 AM on 07/08/2011
It was very much so. I thought it was pretty interesting to find that she also felt that Christianity worshipped Jesus too much, and that she liked the idea that Islam focuses on worship of God only.
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
05:40 PM on 07/07/2011
"ASK me about my religion!"

Sorry, got no interest in your superstitions or your stolen mythology. Also, the person you regard as your prophet and as the perfect Muslim disgusts me utterly.

"Why do I have to sell myself to you to make you like me"

It might have something to do with too many Muslims wishing too much harm on too many people and acting on those wishes far too often.

"I am allowed to uncover in front of other women."

It's also disgusting attitudes like this that make many of us think there's something deeply wrong with Islam.
09:16 AM on 07/08/2011
I don't wish harm on anyone. I was born and raised a Christian, served in the United States Army (to defend your freedom on speech, you are very welcome), and just reverted to Islam a mere year ago, therefore I know what it is like on the other side of the fence. How did I learn about Islam? By asking about it. "It's also disgusting attitudes like this that make many of us think there's something deeply wrong with Islam." Let me tell you how disgusting things are outside of Islam: I have witnessed several of my non-muslim co-workers file sexual harassment claims due to men touching them inappropriately or talking to them in sexual ways that have no business in the workplace. Do you know what they were told? "Maybe if you dressed more respectfully, you wouldn't get treated like that." One was even threatened that her career would end if she went forward with the complaint. The way a person presents themselves is what commands respect, that is an unfortunate reality of this world. Just because a woman wears a tight skirt and low cut top, she is considered promiscuous and loose. She could be the smartest woman on earth but no one would give her the time of day because of how she looks. At least I know when a man looks at me, he isn't looking at my chest or behind. That is one thing I don't miss about life before Islam.
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12:39 PM on 07/06/2011
Why are American Muslims doing nothing about the Muslim radicals killing other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan? If you are so proud of your religion, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!
03:28 PM on 07/06/2011
Any suggestions? By the way, if memory serves me correctly, the Muslims killing other Muslims in Iraq mainly began after the U.S. invasion of Iraq. I think the first step is to remove American military from Iraq and Afghanistan.
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03:56 PM on 07/09/2011
Puncastle

Pls give this question serious consideration. Given that the u.s. may not have improved the conditions for most of the citizens of Iraq or Afghanistan; what would their departure mean to the well being of the remaining citizens?

Could the muslim factions work out the political problems peacefully?
Would the christians be spared or have to choose sides to survive?
Will the talents and wishes of the women of both countries be recognized?
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
07:52 PM on 07/06/2011
There's really no connection between mainstream American Muslims, and Muslim extremists around the world.

That's like suggesting Christians in the U.S. should do something about the Irish Republican Army, or even the KKK.

Extremist Muslims aren't exactly inclined to listen to other Muslims, or to non-Muslims .... or, to anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do.

They're very dedicated to what they do. And so, killing them seems to be pretty much the only option, and the U.S. military is better-equipped, in every sense of the term, to do that, than are American Muslims.
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
04:56 PM on 07/07/2011
"There's really no connection between mainstream American Muslims, and Muslim extremists around the world."

This is false and the examples you next give reinforce this.

"That's like suggesting Christians in the U.S. should do something about the Irish Republican Army, or even the KKK."

Christians in the US provided most of the IRA's funding. The KKK is made up of US Christians. That there is "no connection" is ridiculous on its face.

"Extremist Muslims aren't exactly inclined to listen to other Muslims, or to non-Muslim­s .... or, to anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do."

Gee, just like Doug the Islamophile.
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Doug Sandlin
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08:30 AM on 07/06/2011
In the midst of this current international conversation about Muslims and Islam, and to a somewhat lesser degree about religion in general, there are some very good and useful efforts being initiated from within various faith traditions, which can potentially benefit all of us, religious and non-religious, alike, in terms of the greater peace and understanding that these efforts can potentially create.

One of these efforts is Karen Armstrong's Charter For Compassion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktlwCPDd94

As part of the launch of The Charter For Compassion, Karen Armstrong partnered with the respected TED conference, to have leaders from various world religions give talks in support of the Charter.

Here is Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, a well-known American Muslim leader, giving his talk, representing Islam, in support of the Charter For Compassion, titled "Lose Your Ego, Find Your Compassion".

http://charterforcompassion.org/learn/talks/imam-faisal-abdul-rauf
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hazyafternoonsunshine
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01:20 AM on 07/06/2011
salaam alaikum
12:00 AM on 07/06/2011
Negative perception of the religion-- what do they expect, why don't they learn the bible, better yet come on over we having a picnic and are having BBQ ribs. The new white meat
11:43 PM on 07/05/2011
Shariq Abdul Ghani, a graphic designer from Houston, was giving out free T-shirts at one booth. "Jesus and Mary were Muslim, too," read a bright orange one decorated with a drawing of a tree branch. This distortion of the truth is a perfect example of how Muslims trick uneducated people around the world into joining their religion. It's similar to Palestinians claiming Jerusalem as the birth place of their God rather than Jesus. The Bible is clear throughout the old and new testament as to Jesus' heritage and lineage as a Jew and his mother Mary as well.

Also: "We feel the best way to change the attitudes and opinions of those living in America is through informing and not preaching," said Ghani, who launched the Mineret Foundation..."Everyone in America has the right to be informed about the different aspects of Islam in a way they can relate to and understand," Ghani said. This has been this distortion of the truth by using pieces of Christianity and the Bible as they did with Mary and Jesus above, so new followers feel good about joining them.

Most would feel better about Muslims if they denounced Muslim violence around the world, quit teaching the killing of the infidels (unbelievers), follow the US laws instead of trying to impose Sharia laws in the US and JOIN the American family as did other religions. But...they won't.
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Doug Sandlin
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08:02 AM on 07/06/2011
Respectfully, none of that is true.

On the denouncing of violence:

http://clarifyingislam.com/2011/04/30/600-page-fatwa-condemning-terrorism-by-internationally-respected-islamic-legal-scholar/

I just Googled with the keywords Muslims Condemning Terrorism, and saw "About 5,290,000 results (0.15 seconds)".

You could spend the next year reading and watching nothing but Muslim condemnations of terrorism, and not crack 1% of what's out there.

On the killing of infidels:

Muslims don't teach that; deluded extremists teach that. If Muslims taught that, a lot more "infidels" (extremist definition) would be dead.

Simply put: extremists' attempted justification of violence using their religion is pathetically incorrect. I don't expect you to believe me; I'm not Muslim -- but click the link above to see what one of the most influential Muslim leaders / legal experts has to say about it.

On Sharia Law:

That's not happening. Anti-Muslims made that up, to try to get us to hate and fear Muslims. They've been found out.

Manufacturing The Muslim Menace
http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/training/Muslim_Menace_Complete.pdf

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2011/summer/the-anti-muslim-inner-circle

On not joining the American family - they did, and they have; millions of our fellow Americans worship as Muslims, and are law-abiding, productive, mainstream citizens, often very successfully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States#Demographics
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
04:48 PM on 07/07/2011
Disrespectfully, you're a known liar for Islam.
11:17 PM on 07/05/2011
i think people should be able to enjoy what ever religion they choose to practise. I do wish the muslims made a rule about coordinating the head scarves to the outfits tho'
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liberalviper
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04:14 PM on 07/08/2011
Agreed. I'm good friends with a Muslim woman who is very picky about her head scarves and carefully coordinates them with what she's wearing. She's very fashionable. But not all Muslim women are like that.

I'm a guy, so I'm the last person to be talking about coordinating outfits. Lol!
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Don Harry Santiago
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10:43 PM on 07/05/2011
As long there are no extremist supporting any of this I feel they can and should have the right to do what they want to. But the first sign or any hatred words toward America while they are in this country then there is a problem!
07:11 AM on 07/06/2011
Overall, your post isn't problematic. However, when you use phrases such as, "while they are over here in this country", that becomes problematic. The ISNA convention has been going on since the early 1960s.. around 1962 or 63. I've been attending them for nearly the past 40 years. Most of the participants were actually born in the United States and are red, white and blue patriotic Americans. Suggesting that Muslims in this country are "others" means that you are creating a divide between Muslim Americans and non-Muslim Americans.
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Don Harry Santiago
Disabled Combat Veteran SSG US ARMY, Democrat/Libe
05:50 PM on 07/06/2011
This is for the extremist, are you one of them? I said I had no problems with the Islamic religion conducting a peaceful event in America. But if you are one who is sensitive to the cause of Jihad then homeland security should get that information!
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Levi the Oracle
07:38 AM on 07/06/2011
So no freedom of speech for Muslims, huh? I guess your hatred for Muslims is more important to you than the freedoms you allege you fought for.
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Joe Goforth
contempt for the status quo
10:16 PM on 07/05/2011
"The average American is scared of Islam because he doesn't know about Islam,"

I respect the fact that I totally disagree with Islam because I have studied it and I know that one of the goals of Islam is to replace the civil code of man with the civil code of "God" i.e. sharia law. I will fight that notion with every last breath of my being as free American, and possibly one of the last.- "So help me God".
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The Knocker
a mind is a terrible thing to waste
01:20 AM on 07/06/2011
Sorry to disappoint you, but no establish Muslim org. is even attempting to do that and even if some fringe individuals attempt to do that they will have to change the US constitution first.
Unless you believe these fringe Muslims possess superhuman quality to change the mind of two third of congress to vote for the Shariah.
So unless you believe that, go to bed and have a good night rest knowing you will never have to fight to the last breath to defend America.
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Joe Goforth
contempt for the status quo
01:59 AM on 07/06/2011
Thank God!
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
08:13 AM on 07/06/2011
"I have studied it and I know that one of the goals of Islam is to replace the civil code of man with the civil code of "God" i.e. sharia law."
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Respectfully, you've apparent studied the scary faux-Islam promoted by anti-Muslims.

There's no "Sharia law" promotion by Muslims in the U.S. --- really. I've studied Islam, too -- from a wide variety of authoritative, mainstream sources, both Muslim and non-Muslim.

They all agree with one another about the real nature of Shariah.

Shariah refers to the underlying principles which form the framework for Muslim life, both secular and religious, the former of which apply only to truly Islam Muslim-majority nations (and which are nothing like the scary anti-Muslim versions), and which are seamlessly compatible, already, now, with our system here in the U.S. -- which is why Muslims see no need to change anything here, and why they are proud, happy, productive and genuine American citizens.

The only group that promotes the version of "Sharia law" that you outline above are anti-Muslims, and their whole premise is based on conjecture; nothing in the behavior or statements of American Muslims shows that anti-Muslims even the tiniest bit correct.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2011/summer/jihad-against-islam
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DrHas
01:09 PM on 07/06/2011
Well said. It's the anti Muslims that have this weird version of sharia in their minds and it's they who keep longing for some weirdo who does want some form of Sharia in the Govt so that they can feel justified in their fantastic beliefs about sharia. they need to use some odd character as an example in an attempt to prove their ridiculous theory that sharia (that too their fantasized version) is creeping into America. Well all the best to them, gonna a be a long wait, for, their understanding of sharia doesn't even exist, let alone come to the United States and take over, where Muslims are about 1-2% of the population.
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bbriani3842
400+ yrs of science & STILL no evidence for a god
09:20 PM on 07/05/2011
@ Tolassa

You posted: "Let me ask you a question. Do you believe that anyone who claims to be a Christian, actually is? Likewise, is anyone who claims to be an atheist, actually an atheist? Or a liberal? Or Muslim? Or anything else for that matter? "

If they say they are a Christian, atheist, liberal, et al, I have no reason to doubt their own label.

Who tf are you to judge who is a "real" christian? A christian who holds different interpretations of scripture than you is no less a christian than you are. You cannot argue with them because both of you are getting your information from the same book

If two different people get two different interpretations from the same book, there's nothing wrong with the people. There's something absolutely, positively, 100% wrong with the book they are both reading.
11:47 PM on 07/05/2011
The different interpretations usually come down to whether you interpret the Bible literally, meaning you believe EVERYTHING as written, or you pick and chose portions to uphold and believe in, such as those who believe only the New Testament, or those who pick out things pertaining to the gay marriage issue, believing that it's ok because Jesus said we should love everyone. While it's true you can twist anything you read and interpret it differently, when it comes to the Bible you either believe ALL of it as written or you don't.
04:49 AM on 07/06/2011
Jesus Christ defined who a Christian is. He didn't give us a creed, didn't leave us with any particular doctrine except this: "All will know you are my disciples if you have love amongst yourselves."-John 13:35. Jesus was concerned about Orthopraxy (Greek for right action) and Orthodoxy (right belief) was a distant second. He likewise said many who claim to follow Him would say they had done many wonderful works in His name, and yet He would respond, "Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness! I never knew you." So who are we to judge who the real Christians are? Again as Christ said, "By their fruits you shall know them."
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
08:18 AM on 07/06/2011
Wow.

Awesome.

Great comment, great point.

One of the biggest points of confusion in these discussions about Muslims, is that for many, if not most, modern Christians, ideas (doctrine, dogma, belief, etc.) are the important part ... and they presume it is the same in Islam and other religions, when it's not.

Orthopraxy has always been predominant in both Judaism and Islam. In the Jewish Kabbalah, the physical world is referred to as the "world of Action" (anyone who is interested can Google Kabbalah and "four worlds" for more info).

And so, now that you mention it: yes, Jesus did emphasize this, too:

"Love your neighbor as yourself."

"Blessed are the peacemakers."

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Thanks; Faved -- and I'm happy to be Fan #2, as well.
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08:55 AM on 07/06/2011
onebiblestudent

You quoted your christ: "By their fruits you shall know them."
Is that to be applied to all human kind as individuals or also to groups?

Nineteen islam believers on 9/11 killed themselves and 3k complete strangers of varying religions or none:

Do we now assume to know the nineteen muslims by their fruits, ie successful killings of 3k and personal suicide. They are thus killers for their faith, islam.

Do we now assume to know islam by its fruits, ie instructing believers in jihad in defence of islam from general western culture. Islam thus produces believers as killers and suicide victims in defence of islam.
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
08:00 PM on 07/05/2011
It would appear my utterly innocuous post relating to my experience flying with a plane load of Hajji has been cen$ored. All I can say is WTF is wrong with you "moderators".
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bbriani3842
400+ yrs of science & STILL no evidence for a god
09:21 PM on 07/05/2011
They don't want to offend anyone ... no matter the cost to a free-flowing discussion.
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09:57 PM on 07/05/2011
...sorry we didnt get to hear the story. One mans innocuous is an islam apologists nocuous I guess.
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
10:22 PM on 07/05/2011
Another poster was on my case about not knowing about Hajji, so I thought I'd tell my little story. Perhaps I'll try again:

My wife and I once took a flight from Cairo to Cape Town. It was a big, wide body plane and aside from us everyone else, mostly families, was coming back from the Hajj. Everybody was in great spirits. It was a lot of fun.

That's it really. I got to see a lot of the white garments the other poster seemed to feel I was ignorant of.

There were also two funny aspects to this experience.

First, was all the water the Hajji were bringing back from Mecca. There was so much of it in the overheads & in the baggage that it was a wonder the plane could get off the ground.

Second, as you might expect, there was a big, big crowd on hand at the Cape Town airport to welcome everyone home. TV news and everything was there. My wife and I therefore had a laugh when we were the first two out the doors of customs. The crowd's disappointment and confusion on our appearance were palpable.
07:27 PM on 07/05/2011
The "Not in My Backyard" presentation was by the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding:

Check out ISPU's website: http://bit.ly/kIaoqd

Follow ISPU on Twitter: http://bit.ly/mSbJu1

Join ISPU's Facebook page: http://on.fb.me/kswmpm

Thanks.
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
08:28 PM on 07/05/2011
Fanned, Faved and Followed.

We've needed you here, and we need the excellent information on your site.

Welcome.

And thank you for the major effort you're putting into producing quality information about Muslims and Islam.
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
08:29 PM on 07/05/2011
& Facebooked.
01:53 PM on 07/05/2011
For those who believe that Muslims are not integrating into society, I would like to share the following article.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/10/BA1Q1JEG0V.DTL
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09:44 PM on 07/05/2011
(A) There are muslims who are integrating into the american and euro societies.
(B) There are muslims who are not integrating into the american and euro societies.

You provided an apparently good example of B.
Now provide one of example A or accept distrust.
01:05 AM on 07/07/2011
I see that my clever retort was deleted by moderators. In your opinion, how is this article an example of B and not A?
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01:42 PM on 07/05/2011
Interesting Picture. Islam may be loosening its rules for women in america. The women on the right has the scarf on too loosely and the women in brown is, although covered, suggesting way too much arm.

And where are the sacred face hair dudes. I want to see some god-old muslim intimidation.

We see a muslim man showing a muslim girl how to hold and open a book, its from the back.
Or is he an intellectual Hindu from India who snuck in from the back?
myaa
Justice - the only way to peace!
02:32 PM on 07/05/2011
Seriously!?! Could you be any more descriptive of your islamophobia? Actually scarfs have traditionally been worne loosely...trying visiting any of the tranditional Muslim societies in the Gulf, Turkey, India etc. And the guy at the back - he is the vendor, dude!

"intellectu­al Hindu" ? Now I realize - it just 'me' and 'my way' without an iota of knowledge!
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02:55 PM on 07/05/2011
...thank you for your explanation which sounds more informed than mine. Arent erroneous even obscure interpretations of pictures planted for obfuscation and misdirection irritating?
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
08:03 PM on 07/05/2011
"Seriously!­?!"

No.

You need a better sarcasm detector.
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Jay Patel
05:22 PM on 07/05/2011
dbmartin,

Its better to remain quiet and be thought of as a fool rather than open your mouth and be proven one. I have read your post and I can only wonder if the Taliban have a branch here in the US that you belong to.
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09:21 PM on 07/05/2011
Patel's and Jone's and Smith's are so common that they need original ideas to be noticed to the extent they wish. It's not fair, I know, but that's just how it is.
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DrHas
10:02 PM on 07/05/2011
What an apt statement. I'll remember this one :)