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Chinese Local Debt Might Be $540B More Than Estimated: Moody's

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First Posted: 07/05/11 09:18 AM ET Updated: 09/04/11 06:12 AM ET

China's local government debt burden may be 3.5 trillion yuan ($540 billion) larger than auditors estimated, putting banks on the hook for deeper losses that could threaten their credit ratings, Moody's said on Tuesday.

Addressing the estimate by China's state auditor that its local governments have chalked up 10.7 trillion yuan of debt, Moody's said it found more potential loans after accounting for discrepencies in figures given by various Chinese authorities.

"The potential scale of the problem loans at Chinese banks may be closer to its stress case than its base case," Moody's said in a statement.

In view of that, the non-performing loan ratio for Chinese banks could be as high as 8-12 percent, compared with 5-8 percent in the base case and 10-18 percent in the stress case.

Unless China comes up with a "clear master plan" to clean up its pile of local government debt, the credit outlook for Chinese banks could turn negative, the ratings agency said.

In a bid to assuage investor worries about the potential souring of its massive local government debt, different Chinese authorities including the state auditor, the bank regulator and the central bank have tried to assess the situation.

But all three agencies have used different definitions and accounting methods to review the debt, resulting in a hodgepodge of official forecasts.

Moody's said it derived the additional 3.5 trillion yuan of debt after comparing the estimates of China's state auditor with that of the bank regulator's.

The ratings agency said the Chinese state auditor likely omitted the 3.5 trillion yuan of debt from its assessment because they were not considered as real claims on local governments.

"This indicates that these loans are most likely poorly documented and may pose the greatest risk of delinquency," said Yvonne Zhang, a Moody's analyst.

Moody's said it expects Beijing to "implement gradual discipline" over the stock of government debt, and that would involve the Chinese government leaving banks to manage a part of the problem loans on their own.

(Reporting by Koh Gui Qing; Additional reporting by Kim Coghill in Singapore; Editing by Jacqueline Wong)

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04:55 PM on 07/06/2011
The word is TRILLION, half a TRILLION $$$ more than estimated, underscore ESTIMATED!
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TimeMaster
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09:31 AM on 07/06/2011
Big deal (NOT) - with a population of 1.3 billion, this only works out to a mistake of about $0.41 per person. This is probably the amount the Chinese govt didn't report as part of their military budget. Show me the Yuan!
07:31 AM on 07/06/2011
China will have growing pains and just as America and many business will wipe out trillions of there currency as business had done here.

This will be worse in China then in America if that is possible but juts like America greed and payoffs will be the catalyst that will cause a massive downturn.
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structurequity
structurequity not oppression
05:04 AM on 07/06/2011
So if China takes out a trillion from their US holdings to drawdown this exposure what would that do to us?
09:17 AM on 07/06/2011
It'd hurt us AND them because we're still an extremely important market for their goods...millions of manufacturing (and other) jobs in China would disappear overnight. China is still very dependent on exports for economic growth.
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10:44 PM on 07/05/2011
Moody's continues its pitiful attempt to impose the debt-slavery accounting standards of the criminal international money cartel on countries that control their own central bank, currency, and credit. Such a debt would be a problem if it were owed to private banks, because usury will always bankrupt an economy--over and over again, e.g., 19 recessions since the "Fed" was illegally formed--but China owns the majority of its main banks.
10:56 PM on 07/05/2011
Rather, the Chinese currency is not at the mercy of private company. That's what it is. And talking about nobody can legally see their books, well, it makes sense, only to the "reservists."
08:12 PM on 07/05/2011
Why does the lead in photo show a hammer and sickle. It's China not Russia. But don't be surprised if China does some "quantitative easing" of its own.
07:44 PM on 07/05/2011
I'm not one to believe anything that infers transparency concerning any chinese accounting...you would have to ask Walmart to produce those numbers...A patriotic company who backs the republicans who decry socialism and on the other hand supports a despotic communist dictatorship...anyone catch a wiff of treason...how about something softer like hypocrisy ...you'd have to be totally unconscious to believe that corporate American multinationals have any concerns regarding their fellow countrymen...The Chinese are going to build the biggest blue water navy thanks to all the business from" the free and open marketeers '' and their laissez faire pals in washington...I can hear the chinese military laughing at all the arrogant stultified dupes walking the halls of the rayburn building... I am despondent ..to say...at the very least...
06:46 PM on 07/05/2011
Should Chinese Communist-Run Government determine Western capitalistic banking
requires National Purge there are historical guidelines. Who submits to reeducation or
liquidation? These sweeps have included Foreign Nationals, foreign assets, and citizens
of every economic position. It is no accident that the Chief Chinese Communists are old;
these are survivors. Chinese advice for Western Recovery (re: USA), may refer to The
Long March, as it promoted their perspective. Welcome to basic Goal Orientation 101.
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02:00 AM on 07/06/2011
Excessive capitalization is always directly proportional to bargain basement semantic ( aka drivel) value of the post
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09:49 AM on 07/06/2011
English please?
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06:44 PM on 07/05/2011
China is part of the financial world that is run on fiat money and only expands with debt. Much of the debt is not going to be paid. When bubble of fiat money collapses and the world's reserve currency (AKA Federal Reserve Note US$) collapses there will be plenty of institutions and people caught short, China is a big player in the system.
05:32 PM on 07/05/2011
Will the Chinese Big Brother Gov try to clean it up? They already have..but it took an outside company to put 2+2 together. No, in the modern world they can't hide everything. In the financial news lately there was an article on how Chinese companies keep two sets of books, depending on which sector they want to lie to. But, all the takes more work...more confusion ensues and then...the crash. Stay tuned....
07:01 PM on 07/05/2011
In Arabia most hands-on-dirty-jobs are preforned by Foreign Nationals.
These are presently contracted positions but there is historical record
that Non-Islamics were slave laborers. Autocratic governments can do
either. I don't beieve choposki has a big brother in China.
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12:45 AM on 07/06/2011
Sound"s like us and the USA! Two sets of books, that is. One with the facts and one they allow the public to see.
05:31 PM on 07/05/2011
Now, where did I put my shovel...
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05:29 PM on 07/05/2011
This is the highest that China`s debt mountain has ever been and any promises to the UK government or the US to secure the Euro zone`s debts, may now be put on hold and more so if the ratings by moody`s are reassessed downward.
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04:48 PM on 07/05/2011
China holds much of our debt. I guess they will call it in soon. Watch out, China may own the West Coast soon.
07:18 PM on 07/05/2011
I see no North America claims but a Pacific Ocean isn't your pond anymore.
Please consider roles played by US Armed Forces in China before arrival of
Imperial Japan. Western political views desired a weak Chinese Givernment.
I'd worry about how that can be repaid, itzfatcat. Japan is worried too.
04:23 PM on 07/05/2011
Thanks for changing the flag to a Chinese one instead of the Soviet flag you had on this story earlier HP.
06:12 PM on 07/05/2011
It was not soviet flag. The flag was China's communist party flag. Both flags suck.
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AyeChart
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04:22 PM on 07/05/2011
Whatever happened to Baby Global Warming? Seems that the computer models that predicted pollution would cause warming are being contradicted by other theorists who say that pollution causes COOLING, at least when it occurs in China! "Asia Pollution Blamed for Halt in Warming: Study"--headline, Reuters, July 4 Is this just another example of double standards, anti-Americanism, sucking up to our enemies?
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04:30 PM on 07/05/2011
Cooking the "global warming" books too?
07:39 PM on 07/05/2011
Science favors who wants to foot the bill. There are the Missions to Mars
but we both know what will fly at public expense. The primary mission of
resource orientation economy is export of natural resources. Coal has
existing transport infrastructure, long-term supply, and less-concerned
world markets. I'm presently watching passage of mile long rolling stock
forty minutes apart on south to north and north to south rail passage. I'm
also seeing agri-business, smelted product, and timber roll to Asia out of
county. What's your local exchange doing? If we did better then who
took that away and shipped it elsewhere? Sound off names, AyeChart.