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10,000 U.S. Troops On Offer For Iraq: Sources

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LARA JAKES   07/ 5/11 07:37 PM ET   AP

BAGHDAD — The White House is offering to keep up to 10,000 troops in Iraq next year, U.S. officials say, despite opposition from many Iraqis and key Democratic Party allies who demand that President Barack Obama bring home the American military as promised.

Any extension of the military's presence, however, depends on a formal request from Baghdad – which must weigh questions about the readiness of Iraqi security forces against fears of renewed militant attacks and unrest if U.S. soldiers stay beyond the December pullout deadline.

Iraq is not expected to decide until September at the earliest when the 46,000 U.S. forces left in the country had hoped to start heading home.

Already, though, the White House has worked out options to keep between 8,500 and 10,000 active-duty troops to continue training Iraqi security forces during 2012, according to senior Obama administration and U.S. military officials in interviews with The Associated Press. The figures also were noted by foreign diplomats in Baghdad briefed on the issue.

All spoke on condition of anonymity to frankly discuss the sensitive matter during interviews over the past two weeks.

White House spokesman Jay Carney on Tuesday said the Pentagon is still planning for all U.S. troops to withdraw by year's end, noting that time is running out for Iraq's government to ask them to stay.

"We have said for a long time now if the Iraqi government asks us to maintain some level of troops beyond that end of the year deadline, we would consider it," Carney told reporters in Washington.

He appeared to back off that possibility, however, adding: "That doesn't necessarily mean we would do it. We would just consider it. And I really don't have any more information on that possible outcome because, again, we haven't even gotten a request."

Any change in the U.S. military withdrawal timetable in Iraq – after more than eight years and more than 4,450 U.S. military deaths – could open up difficult political confrontations for Obama as pressure builds to close out the Iraq mission and stick to pledges to draw down troops in Afghanistan.

The Senate's top Democrat, Sen. Harry Reid, told the AP that the high cost of keeping U.S. troops in Iraq – given a mounting U.S. debt crisis and Iraq's fledgling security gains – is no longer necessary.

Reid, the Senate majority leader, estimated nearly $1 trillion has been spent in Iraq since the U.S. invaded in 2003, including $50 billion this year alone.

"As Iraq becomes increasingly capable, it is time for our own troops to return home by the end of the year and for these precious resources to be directed elsewhere," Reid, Democrat of Nevada, said in the statement. "There is no question that the United States must continue to provide support for the Iraqis as they progress, but now is the time for our military mission to come to a close."

Reid was responding to a request for comment after 15 U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq in June, mostly by Shiite militias, in the deadliest month for the American military here in two years. It was the first public statement by a top party leader to oppose Obama's policy in Iraq, and may signal splintering Democratic support over his war planning just as he ramps up his 2012 re-election campaign.

Iraq has flown under Washington's political radar for much of the past year, and Democrats who want Obama to end the war this year as promised vowed to exert more pressure on the White House.

"With a false declaration that combat operations are over in Iraq, what is now Operation New Dawn has ironically become a forgotten war," said Ashwin Madia, a former Marine who served in Iraq in 2005-06 and is now interim chairman of VoteVets.org. "That is about to change."

The group has raised millions of dollars for Democratic Party candidates.

Though violence has dramatically dropped from just a few years ago, when Iraq teetered on the brink of civil war, attacks still happen almost daily. On Tuesday, Iraqi police said at least 35 people were killed when two bombs exploded outside a city council headquarters just north of Baghdad.

Running for president in 2008, Obama promised to withdraw all troops from Iraq – what he had described years earlier as "a dumb war, a rash war." Shortly after he took office, he pledged to stick to a Dec. 31, 2011, deadline negotiated between Washington and Baghdad for all U.S. forces to leave Iraq.

Recently, however, the door gradually has been opening to push the deadline. In May, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates signaled Obama was willing to keep troops in Iraq beyond December. Last week, Navy Vice Adm. William McRaven, nominated to command U.S. special operations forces, said a small commando force should remain.

Without a request from Iraq, fewer than 200 active duty troops would stay at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad as military advisers, a role that is common for American diplomatic missions worldwide. More than 166,000 U.S. troops were in Iraq in October 2007, the peak of the Pentagon's surge.

In Baghdad, the debate over whether U.S. troops should stay past the deadline is topic No. 1 for Iraq's government.

Iraq's top military commander, Gen. Babaker Shawkat Zebari, has long maintained that Iraqi security forces need another decade of training and aid before they are ready to protect the country alone, especially its air space and borders. Iraq sits on the fault line between Shiite powerhouse Iran and mostly Sunni nations across the rest of the Mideast, which share U.S. concerns about Tehran's influence growing in Baghdad if American troops leave.

Iraqi Kurds, who have long relied on American forces to protect them, are lobbying for U.S. troops to stay.

But Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki refuses to publicly endorse a troops' extension. One of his critical political allies – a Shiite movement headed by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr – has threatened widespread violence if troops stay. Al-Sadr's militias once waged fierce attacks on U.S. forces.

Some of Iraq's Sunnis also oppose an extension. The Sunni Islamic Party in Iraq's northern Ninevah province, in a statement this week, called allowing the so-called "occupation forces" to remain "a great mistake against Iraq and its people."

President Jalal Talabani plans a meeting as early as this week of Iraq's political leaders to discuss the troop issue – which al-Maliki says he does not want to make alone.

"All political groups should be making this decision, because we do not want to shoulder the responsibility alone for such a grave and sovereign issue," said Shiite lawmaker Ali al-Shilah, a member of the State of Law coalition headed by al-Maliki. "The situation is still complicated because all the political blocs are avoiding giving a final and clear decision on this."

One of the main sticking points is how to ensure that troops on duty all have legal immunity from Iraqi courts if they remain. Al-Shilah called it "very difficult, if not impossible due to the complicated political situation."

The U.S. will not keep thousands of troops in Iraq without immunity. But it's far from certain parliament will approve it. Iraq is still seething from the 2007 shooting by guards from the security firm then called Blackwater Worldwide, which left 17 people dead but could not be prosecuted by Iraq courts because of an immunity deal at the time.

Al-Maliki also would not want any remaining U.S. troops to look like combat forces, and potentially would strip them of huge armored trucks or have them live on Iraqi bases. The U.S. will not agree to that.

In a July 1 letter, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Martin E. Dempsey told U.S. forces in and around Baghdad to expect to stay in Iraq "longer than they expected" until at least after Christmas, just days before the withdrawal deadline.

There is no end-date stated in Dempsey's letter, which was posted on the website of the Hawaii-based 25th Infantry Division that is currently headquartered in Baghdad.

"We're well aware that the request means many of you will be separated from your families for a second consecutive Christmas holiday," Dempsey wrote. "I can assure you we wouldn't have asked this of you if it wasn't vitally important for the accomplishment of our mission in Iraq."

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Associated Press writer Sameer N. Yacoub in Amman, Jordan, contributed to this report.

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300millionblindmice
04:38 AM on 07/10/2011
Oh come on. There are still 6 months for some major terroist attack to occur. We've already seen an increase in car bombings. And we haven't even left yet. Hummmmm
07:10 PM on 07/06/2011
Note that there is nothing new in this article. The US has been desperately scrambling around trying to bribe, bully, and intimidate the Iraqis into "asking" for a troop extension since at least March and probably before. This tactic has failed so far and it will continue to fail for one simple reason, the vast majority of Iraqis oppose the continued presence of occupation forces in their country. Note that even if Iraq's political "leaders" were dumb enough to agree to this, thus ensuring a mass popular rebellion, the Iraqi parliament which would have to approve it would not. This is shown by the fact that no proposal has been presented or declarations made regarding this despite the fact only about 5 months remain before US forces must depart. Despite US media attempts to manipulate US public opinion to the contrary, the overwhelming likelihood still is that ALL US occupation forces will depart as scheduled on December 31st.
02:06 PM on 07/06/2011
Oh, the things I would do if I was "in charge"...

I would remove all of our troops from foreign soil (unless, of course, we were at war, actively decimating an enemy, authorized by a declaration of war by Congress). We have HUNDREDS of thousands of American soldiers protecting dozens of countries. Let me list a few of the more notable examples:

Let's start with our three wars:

Iraq - 45,600 .
Afghanistan - 103,700
Libya - 8,500.

But there are so many more:

Germany - 53,951
Italy – 9,855
United Kingdom – 9,825
Turkey – 1,594
Qatar – 8,029
Bahrain – 1,495
Kuwait - 10,548
South Korea – 28,500
Japan – 32,803

Those are just the highlights. We need to stop protecting Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. We can not afford to be the unpaid policemen of the developed world. We have serious problems to deal with (ballooning cost of government, financial instability, massive unbelievable debt, an illegal immigration problem so vast that we're not sure how many DOZENS of millions of people have slipped in, systemic unemployment, loss of a manufacturing base.)

We should tell all these governments that the gravy train is over.

BTW... Foreign aid of all kinds is next on my list...
11:35 AM on 07/06/2011
Iraqis govern your country, bring US soldiers home.
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MoreFreedom
11:04 AM on 07/06/2011
Obama promised to remove all troops from Iraq by 2011, and he promised to end the Iraq war. As usual, he lied. So all the people who supported him for his anti-war rhetoric are victims of his lying.

As are those who believed his promises of ending the deficit, being the most fiscally responsible president, those who believed he would stop raiding medical marijuana dispensaries, those who believed he would close Gitmo and release or try those held, and instead of ending detentions without charges or trial, he's not only keeping them, but also now believes he can order the killing of an American citizen without a trial or even charges.

You can know that Obama is a neo-con military meddle in foreign countries by his actions. Of course, his words contradict his actions (i.e., he is a liar).
11:48 AM on 07/06/2011
"Obama promised to remove all troops from Iraq by 2011, and he promised to end the Iraq war. As usual, he lied."

No, he did not.   He promised an end to combat operations in Iraq by 2011.    US Forces currently in Iraq do not go out on patrols, do not have the same role as they did in say 2009.   

If you actually listened to Obama's statement during the campaign, he said that he'd be as careful withdrawing from Iraq as Bush was reckless going in.   He's following through with that task--being careful withdrawing from Iraq.

At the height of the Iraq war there were approx 160,000 US troops in Iraq.    I think getting that number down to approx 8500-10,000 is a success.  Those 10,000 will be training Iraqi forces and advising them, a far different role than US troops had a few years ago.   Moreover, I suspect that those 10,000 will be more symbolic than anything else.  Its a psychological reassurance to the Iraqi forces.    
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Vlad Roudenko
12:53 PM on 07/06/2011
Can you tell me one simple thing? 8 years is not enough to train Iraqi army?
10:47 AM on 07/06/2011
Oil for troops yay, free training nay.
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09:08 AM on 07/06/2011
This is bad news, I thought we have to make cuts. Are the Iraqi going to pay for this extended stay? Oil we need, oil they have! How about they sell us the barrel of crude for $1.00 and this goes directly into the Strategic Oil Reserve, then we could have a deal !
REDSTATEREFUGEE
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07:46 AM on 07/06/2011
I have never understood why Iraq, which once boasted of one of the most powerful, menacing armies in the world, would continue to need U.S. "training" for so many years. With basic and advanced infantry training, our own soldiers are good to go in less than a year.

Mr. Obama: Bite the bullet and concede that staying in Iraq is a lost cause, and simply endangers more American lives. Leave Iraq to the Iraqis.
05:49 AM on 07/06/2011
That is yet another war we won NOT. Thanks Bush for your $3 trillion investment in Iraq. As we can all see there is so much to show for it.
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Ryan Kenneth Leddy
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03:29 AM on 07/06/2011
Withdrawing from 130,000 troops down to 10,000 seems pretty succesful to me. Iraq was and is a disaster but I think asking for 10,000 or less troops to stay behind by the Iraqi's to ensure a peaceful transition isnt the end of the world.
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LibertarianJon
Ron Paul 2012!!!
09:53 AM on 07/06/2011
there are certainly more than 10,000 troops in Iraq... i promise
03:22 AM on 07/06/2011
The blood of americans given away for the sake of corporate profits... I'm sick to my stomach.
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06:54 AM on 07/06/2011
I'd be happy to give you something to calm your stomach......unfortunately we've used it up trying to cope with the last two and a half years. Welcome to the ward.
03:17 AM on 07/06/2011
Obama needs to be out of the White House come 2012.
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06:56 AM on 07/06/2011
Sounds fair. He's kept the rest of us in the Out House for the last two and a half years.
07:27 AM on 07/06/2011
Who would you rather be in there in 2012? Unfortunately I don't see anything better coming from his opponents.
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Red45
We can turn the tide
03:05 AM on 07/06/2011
What? We're "offering to stay"? Given the Iraqis want us to leave and Americans want us to leave, who could possibly benefit by the Iraqis taking us up on this "offer"? Follow the money.
03:19 AM on 07/06/2011
And the Empire of Bases strategy of the CIA-Pentagon Junta, keeping war going for war's sake.
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Red45
We can turn the tide
12:18 PM on 07/06/2011
Americans have to start taking to the streets and demanding that our participation in these wars end now.
03:02 AM on 07/06/2011
There were a lot of troops from over the world in Iraq, most all have pulled out except the U.S.
I think if we leave 10,000 there other countries need to put troops back in. This is a very small list:

United States ………..130,000 troops ………46,000 still there as of 5-29-2011
England ……………… 46,600 troops withdrawn by 2011
Italy …………………. 3,000 troops withdrawn 2006
Poland ……..……….. 2,400 troops withdrawn 2007
Ukraine ………………. 1,640 troops withdrawn 2005
Spain ………………..…1,300 troops withdrawn 2004
The Netherlands …..….. 1,106 troops withdrawn 2005
Australia ………………….800 troops withdrawn 2009