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DADT Repeal: Court Orders Immediate Halt To Gay Military Ban

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First Posted: 07/06/11 04:41 PM ET Updated: 09/05/11 06:12 AM ET

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A federal appeals court ordered the U.S. government on Wednesday to immediately cease enforcing the ban on openly gay members of the military, a move that could speed the end of the 17-year-old rule.

Congress repealed the policy in December and the Pentagon is already preparing to welcome gay military personnel, said the ruling from a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. There's no longer any purpose for a stay the appeals court had placed on a lower court ruling that overturned "don't ask, don't tell," the judges said.

In the meantime, the court order blocks the military from discharging anyone based on sexual orientation, a Pentagon spokesman said, news that brought relief from gay rights advocates who say there are still dozens of gay or lesbian personnel under investigation.

"The ruling ...removes all uncertainty -- American servicemembers are no longer under threat of discharge as the repeal implementation process goes forward," said R. Clarke Cooper, Log Cabin Republicans executive director.

The Pentagon will comply with the court order and is taking immediate steps to inform commanders in the field, said spokesman Col. Dave Lapan.

The next step: the official end to "don't ask, don't tell."

Defense officials said the chiefs of the military services are scheduled to submit their recommendations on the repeal to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Friday. As soon as the Pentagon certifies that repealing the ban will have no effect on military readiness, the military has 60 days to implement the repeal.

Officials said they believe the ban could be fully lifted by the end of September. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

The services have been training their forces on the new law for the past several months. The Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps are largely done with the training, and the Army is on track to finish the active duty training by July 15.

The ruling on Wednesday came in response to a motion brought by Log Cabin Republicans, a group for gay Republican Party members, which last year persuaded a lower court judge to declare the ban unconstitutional.

After the government appealed U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips' decision, the 9th Circuit agreed to keep the policy in place until it could consider the matter. The appeals court reversed itself with Wednesday's order by lifting its hold on Phillips' decision. It cited as a reason the Obama administration's recent position in another case involving same-sex marriage that it is unconstitutional to treat gay Americans differently under the law.

"The circumstances and balance of hardships have changed, and (the government) can no longer satisfy the demanding standard for issuance of a stay," the panel said.

Although the stay is lifted, the 9th Circuit scheduled an Aug. 29 hearing to consider whether the government's appeal of the lower court's decision is valid. But it's unclear whether the Pentagon will pursue the appeal, since defense officials already have said they'll stop enforcing the ban.

Organizations that represent gay military members and veterans cautioned those on active duty or hoping to enlist against rushing to declare their sexual orientations until the government declares that it intends to abide by the ruling.

During the eight-day period last fall before the 9th Circuit put Phillips' injunction prohibiting enforcement of "don't ask, don't tell" on hold, several of the estimated 14,000 veterans who had been discharged under the policy unsuccessfully tried to re-enlist.

"As the news goes out over the wire, troops will see again, as they did last fall, that 'DADT is dead'," said an Air Force officer who co-founded a gay service member support group called OutServe and asked not to be identified by name for fear of being discharged. "More gay troops will think this is over; straight soldiers will inadvertently 'out' their friends. Since most of the troops have been trained, the best course is to let the decision stand."

Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, said his group currently has a load of about 40 cases involving servicemembers who are under investigation for being gay or lesbian. Among the group's clients are a man and a woman who appeared this year before base review boards that recommended their dismissals to the secretaries of their respective services, Sarvis said.

Although he thinks those clients are no longer in danger of being discharged and that further "don't ask, don't tell" investigations would be prohibited under the court's order, Sarvis said that gay military personnel would remain unnecessarily fearful until President Obama, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen "get on with that important certification."

"We have a court here issuing a wakeup call to the Pentagon," he said. "This order is welcome, but it does add another layer of confusion and the solution is certification by the president, the defense secretary and Admiral Mullen in days, not weeks."

The order was signed by the 9th Circuit's chief judge, Alex Kozinski, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan, and by Judges Richard Paez and Kim Wardlaw, who both were appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton.

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09:48 AM on 07/24/2011
Let the gays join so the straight men & women can stay home and take care of their families. Let the gays get blown up.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
08:46 PM on 07/08/2011
i do not care what the chaplins think about gays. what do they think of "Thou shalt not kill"?
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
04:09 PM on 07/11/2011
When someone of my religion is in the chaplaincy corps and that *actually* dictates poiicy by some other means than Religious Rihgt money, we'll let you now.
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TBJ
Irrelevent Blurb
02:46 PM on 07/08/2011
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/07/08/264107/pentagon-suspends-dadt-to-comply-with-court-ruling/

Looks like the Pentagon is officially complying.
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Captimprobable
10:19 PM on 07/07/2011
I wonder if every one a fire person or police person pulled out of a fire or responds to your calls for help, even while bullets are flying...or an EMT who pulled you back from the brink of death and sent you stabilized to the hospital...or a Soldier, who risks their lives for your Freedoms every single day...ponders in their moment of dire need...whether the individual who saved them or fought/fights for their country is homosexual or not? I highly doubt it, until someone with a religious, dogmatic, phobic axe to grind points it out to them and are TAUGHT to think so.

It's amazing how you didn't care when you, your child, loved one or friend were being helped.

Funny how that works huh?
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
12:23 AM on 07/08/2011
Nah, they just want to preserve the illusion that only straight Christians do these things. Everyone else is supposed to be nothing but the hateful things they call us.
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WheelsOnFire
Equality Crusader
12:26 AM on 07/08/2011
Well said.

And isn't it interesting that the gay EMT, fireman, or police officer cares not one bit about whether the person he or she is saving is straight.

It's only the straights...and, to be honest, a rapidly dwindling number of them...who get excited about other people's sexuality.

Sort of makes them voyeuristic perverts, doesn't it?
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golions
Real Americans drink coffee, not tea.
10:06 PM on 07/07/2011
Amazing that people tried to reenlist and serve again after having their careers taken away by DADT. Now that's patriotism!
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WheelsOnFire
Equality Crusader
12:29 AM on 07/08/2011
You raise an excellent point!

All we hear about from the anti-gay crowd is that soldiers won't enlist or re-enlist.

We don't hear so much about the gay sloldiers who want to re-enlist after being subjected to intense abuse.

Yes, that's true patriotism by the gay soldiers.

As for the others who won't enlist or re-enlist, well, they put their self-interests ahead of the country's. Their neither soldiers nor true Americans.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
12:52 AM on 07/08/2011
Well, if they do it claiming it's cause LGBT troops might be treated more fairly, it sure is. It's not after what Bush did, there aren't plenty of *other* reasons.
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DTOM1776
Veritas Liberabit Vos
07:47 PM on 07/08/2011
Greetings golions

You can call anything "patriotism" if you want to. And it certainly seems that you do. However, we don't need anyone in the military who was discharged for willfully disobeying clearly spelled out rules of conduct. Why would we want people in LIFE and DEATH situations who clearly demonstrated that their personal desires and actions were more important than fulfilling their sworn oath??
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democratbob
Equality for all, including marriage.
05:49 AM on 07/09/2011
Considering that those people were in the military under DADT and most of them (if not all) were outed by other people, there was no dishonor. They did not willfully disobey any spelled out rule of conduct, because DADT specifies that gays and lesbians could serve and the military wouldn't ask and those serving couldn't tell. Gays and lesbians were certainly allowed to serve under those conditions. Since they were permitted to serve, and since they didn't do the outing themselves, how can you accurately state that they willfully disobeyed rules of conduct?
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golions
Real Americans drink coffee, not tea.
12:39 PM on 07/09/2011
Speaking as a war veteran who served overseas, I would much rather be in a unit with motivated people whose dedication to the service is stronger than the discrimination they've endured.

The people I worry about in dangerous situations are the ones who gossip about orientation instead of prioritizing the mission: those are usually the ones who cause disciplinary incidents and fall asleep on watch.

We're all part of the same country. Liberty and justice isn't "for some," it's "for all."
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J Michael Norris
05:52 PM on 07/07/2011
If there is a soldier out there who thinks DADT is reasonable, I would ask that you go for just a week without mentioning your wife, your girlfriend, if you thought a woman was attractive, who you went on your last date with, where you went for a drink off-base, what you're planning to do on your next furlough . . . .
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DTOM1776
Veritas Liberabit Vos
07:50 PM on 07/08/2011
Greetings J Michael Norris

I invite you to read any and ALL of the regulations regarding the military. You will find not one single instance on whether certain people can MENTION anyone. It is not important to the military mission, nor to defense of this country.

It's plain to for all to see where the real loyalty and priorities are with those who clamor for open homosexual conduct in the military.....And it isn't about national defense. How sad for us.
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J Michael Norris
08:35 PM on 07/08/2011
Perhaps you haven't read the DADT policy:

That the member has stated that he or she is a homosexual or bisexual, or words to that effect (Mentioning your boyfriend if you are a male or girlfriend if you are a female constitutes "words to that effect" and has thusly been inforced).

Marries, or attempts to marry, someone of the same sex. (So again, mentioning your spouse, if of the same sex, would apply. You may have not realized this, but gay marriage is legal in some states and people legally married have been ousted under the DADT policy for mentioning their spouse).

I hope this clears up your ignorance on the matter.
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albalatrv
04:54 PM on 07/07/2011
No court order, judges ruling,or executive decree can make a straight soldier feel comfortable about bunking next to a guy who has every right to flaunt his rainbow flag on his locker. Straight G.I.s also have rights. And please spare us the foxhole sharing platitudes.
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duckpuddle
Coexist, it's easier.
05:25 PM on 07/07/2011
A rainbow decal on a locker is flaunting?

The military doesn't care about your feelings if you follow orders. That is too bad if you are uncomfortable, straight people have been making me uncomfortable my whole life.

If your discomfort prevents you from following orders, they you have the problem and will probably be dishonorably discharged.
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J Michael Norris
05:48 PM on 07/07/2011
Of course every soldier has the right to his or her prejudice or distaste of anyone for any reason. He or she could have whatever notion of someone based on race, religion or sexual orientation he or she wanted. What he or she will no longer have is the right to discriminate against someone based on sexual orientation, or the tool to do so by having a person removed from the military based on such. Perhaps you don't understand the difference between dislike and discrimination. You are welcome to get a dictionary and look up the words. They have them free at the library.
04:45 PM on 07/07/2011
You know, I just don't get it. All these guys afraid of someone (guy or gal) making the move on them. At my age I would be flattered if someone made the "move" on me. ANYONE....anyone?
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bearchao
Un-Holy Cow
05:34 PM on 07/07/2011
Wink Wink... lol
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WheelsOnFire
Equality Crusader
09:48 PM on 07/07/2011
OK...brace yourself......
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Ioan Lightoller
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11:26 PM on 07/07/2011
Cut it out, Wheels. I almost spit coke all over the computer lol.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
03:46 PM on 07/07/2011
Why are pages of productive conversation seemingly just getting munched away as I watch? :)
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
04:19 PM on 07/07/2011
Ah, actually, some of that's just scrolled off by delayed postings. Mea culpa on most of that. :)
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duckpuddle
Coexist, it's easier.
05:14 PM on 07/07/2011
Conspiracies are so easy to see.
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Quitcherbichin
If you are posting here, thank a veteran.
03:38 PM on 07/07/2011
So now gays can serve openly in our military...no matter how much you want to believe it will not happen, this is going to cause problems. I wonder how long it will be before they start demanding to live together as husband and wife...or hit the beach in their leather with the cut outs?
03:51 PM on 07/07/2011
You mean like their straight counterparts? Oh, gawd forbid - Americans would want to be FREE. That darn constitution keeps getting in the way - you know - the pursuit of happiness and all that...? All MEN (people) are created equal - stuff? I think we need to amend that before everyone starts thinking they are ALL CREATED EQUAL.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
03:54 PM on 07/07/2011
Oh, *you* follow your name. People been saying that about DADT for twenty years and in no other country that went right to free and open service have there been *any* significant problems, so stop trying to *make* them.

We're already, if you hadn't noticed, been demanding full marriage equality as 'wife and wife' and 'husband and husband,' and if we get that in civil society, we don't expect our marriages to be treated any differently from a straight married soldier's.

(Why do you assume LGBT troops want to marry *each other* any more than straight ones do, or expect to have any such marriages treated?)

As for the rest of your bigoted stereotypes, give it a rest.

Our LGBT troops aren't a slippery slope or your paranoid, doubtless titillating fantasies. They're just as professional as the straight ones, if not *more so.*
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nohopepope2187
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06:24 PM on 07/07/2011
A lot of other countries mandate that everyone serves a term in the Military, therefore their Military laws apply to everyone. (Unlike a lot of other countries who's civilian population thinks their opinions should carry merit, when they have not the courage to pick up arms and defend the rights which they demand.)
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Seven Teenatheart
Tolerance, peace, and sanity. Be your own person.
02:30 PM on 07/07/2011
This is excellent news. An end to a long standing area of discrimination.
Thank you to the court for this act of sanity.
And thank you to all the dedicated members of our military for your service.
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Intelligenti Pauca
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02:22 PM on 07/07/2011
I see people on this thread talking about different reasons why repealing DADT is a bad idea. It's clearly apparent that a number of them have never served in the military themselves­­­­­­­. For those people, I have a suggestion­­­­­­. If you haven't joined the military & served your country, then you have no right to tell the people risking their lives how they have to live & what they can or can't talk about. It's as simple as that.

You people sit there in the comfort of your homes & have the gall to judge soldiers who lay their lives on the line for you, thereby insuring you the freedom to live as YOU want to, but you've never actually served your country yourself. You people disgust me.

Speaking as a happily married heterosexu­­­­­­al male, who has also served in the military, I can say with all honesty that I would rather fight alongside a whole platoon of openly gay soldiers, than I would a whole battalion of you people who seem to be more concerned with if a soldier is gay, whether or not they are talking about it & if they're going to hit on you.
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Marc Hampton
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06:10 PM on 07/07/2011
And lets discuss the military records of Newt and Mitt and Tim...who all "deferred" their way out of military service, but have very strong opinions about whether a gay soldier should be tossed out because someone found out he has a boyfriend back home.
ndtovent
Annoying wingnuts since 2001
08:30 PM on 07/07/2011
Excellent post! F&F! I served honorably from 1980-86 and am damn proud of my service. I'm also proud to be gay, but couldn't have expressed the sentiment nearly as well as you have. Thank you for your support.
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halfpricefaustian
Voted for Obama. Waiting for Godot.
02:12 PM on 07/07/2011
Obama should have ordered an end to DADT proceedings as soon as his administration decided that DOMA was unconstitutional and that they would not defend it.
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tlee47ftw
02:43 PM on 07/07/2011
It is a law. He cannot order an end to it.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
03:28 PM on 07/07/2011
Actually, he could have made an executive order as Commander In Chief, like what desegregated the military regarding race: the only thing is that order could have been rescinded by future Presidents.
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too young but old enough
I already know how this is going to turn out...
01:47 PM on 07/07/2011
The only thing that the repeal of DADT would do is stop gay soldiers from having to lie about being gay. There are already plenty of homosexual people serving in our military without the harassment or morale problems that people opposed to DADT's repeal think is unavoidable.
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WheelsOnFire
Equality Crusader
09:56 PM on 07/07/2011
Well said. That's exactly the point.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
11:12 PM on 07/07/2011
The 'phobes are afraid their little feewings are going to be all upset by having to know that someone is gay. That is about the only major thing that ending DADT is going to do. The professional soldiers, gay or straight, are going to go on doing their job and the jerks, gay or straight, are gonna go on being jerks.
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tlee47ftw
01:41 PM on 07/07/2011
This is a brief excerpt from Congresswoman Barbara Jordan speech as a member of the house impeachment committee following hearings on whether to impeach President Nixon. I think the whole speech is one of the greatest in American history, but I think this paragraph eloquently says what the gays and lesbians may be hoping for today.

"Earlier today, we heard the beginning of the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States: "We, the people." It's a very eloquent beginning. But when that document was completed on the seventeenth of September in 1787, I was not included in that "We, the people." I felt somehow for many years that George Washington and Alexander Hamilton just left me out by mistake. But through the process of amendment, interpretation, and court decision, I have finally been included in "We, the people."
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
02:06 PM on 07/07/2011
I wasn't even in a relationship at the time, but when marriage rights were granted in Massachusetts, I just can't describe how it felt.

Like dropping ten pounds of weight you never even quite fully-consciously admitted you were carrying on your back all your life. (For someone my size that's a fair amount.) :)
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
01:07 AM on 07/08/2011
I felt much the same. And when it became nationwide in Canada, I wasn't in a relationship yet, but I knew that was where I was going to go when I meant Mr. Right.
I don't understand that some of the nimrods on here can't understand we have the same desire to love and commit as they do.