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Ohio 'Heartbeat Bill' Divides Pro-Life Community

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First Posted: 07/07/11 04:59 PM ET Updated: 09/06/11 06:12 AM ET

A controversial new bill in Ohio that would ban abortions after the fetal heartbeat can be detected is driving a wedge into the state's pro-life community, with some concerned that a court battle over the bill could end up reaffirming Roe v. Wade.

House Bill 125, which passed in the state House of Representatives by a vote of 54-44 last week, effectively bans abortions as early as five and a half weeks into the pregnancy -- before some women even know that they're pregnant -- and contains no exceptions for rape, incest or the health of the mother. If the bill is signed into law, a woman will only be able to receive an abortion if the doctor can prove that her life is threatened.

"Some believe that would probably diminish abortions 85 to 90 percent," state Rep. Lynn Wachtmann (R), the author of the bill, told HuffPost. "For those of us who believe life begins at conception, this bill is a big ask to the federal courts to protect the unborn."

The "heartbeat bill" flies in the face of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that protects the right to have an abortion up until the fetus would be viable outside the womb, which is usually placed at about 24 weeks into the pregnancy. If it passes into law, it will likely be challenged in court by any number of abortion rights advocacy groups, resulting in a lengthy legal battle that Ohio would likely lose.

"Unfortunately, the court has ruled that states can place limitations on post-viability abortions, but pre-viability there can be zero restrictions," Mike Gonidakis, executive director of Ohio Right to Life, told the Columbus Dispatch in March. "We certainly don't want the courts to reaffirm Roe with a decision in Ohio."

Ohio Right to Life has publicly refused to support the "heartbeat bill" since it was first discussed in March, despite its steady record of supporting and even authoring anti-abortion legislation. Gonidakis said a team of "national legal experts" helped his organization to determine that a legal battle over the bill could end up overturning other pro-life laws in Ohio, such as informed consent requirements.

Further, the pro-life group worries that taxpayers would have to foot the bill for a lengthy court battle that could end up costing millions.

"These are the same taxpayers [Republican lawmakers] are trying to protect from funding abortions," Kellie Copeland, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio, told HuffPost. "It's ridiculous that they profess to care so much about taxpayer funds, but not about the expensive lawsuits they're about launch in defense of this abortion ban."

Abortion rights groups recently challenged a measure in South Dakota that forces women to wait three days to have an abortion, and officials estimated the cost of defending that law at $1.7 million to $4.5 million in taxpayer dollars.

"In a state like Ohio, you're concerned about all public dollars and where they're going," Gonidakis said.

But Rep. Wachtmann said that's a "pathetic" argument.

"There's a very limited crowd of pro-lifers that, beyond my wildest imagination, continue to be opposed to this legislation," he told HuffPost. "The argument that we dare not spend taxpayers' money to defend life is weak and ridiculous. I don't know of anything more precious to spend money on than to protect unborn babies."

In addition to Ohio Right to Life, four House Republicans with typically pro-life records voted against the extreme "heartbeat bill." The GOP-dominated Senate is expected to take up the measure in September, but Wachtmann said he's worried that Ohio Right to Life's opposition to the bill could cost it a few supporters.

"Their lack of support creates at least a few headaches to get this thing done," he said, "but I think we have enough pro-life senators to overcome that obstacle."

Wachtmann, who has been a longtime, ardent supporter of Ohio Right to Life, said he thinks Gonidakis is refusing to support the "heartbeat bill" because it's the one anti-abortion measure this session that wasn't his idea.

"I still stand for what they do," he said. "It's just unfortunate that that he's too immature to put his ego aside to support this bill."

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12:07 AM on 07/15/2011
As a registered voter in Ohio who's been outside the womb for at least 18 years, I'm appalled that my legislators, the people who I can vote into office, are more concerned about using my tax dollars to support lives that aren't even viable instead of using those dollars for services that benefit people already alive. I view it as a contradiction that Republicans are adamantly anti-abortion while being anti-anything that supports people in need who are already alive. While I'm not a fan of abortion it's been affirmed by the Supreme Court and this bill should be thrown out.
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dschausf
Lefty for America
08:51 AM on 07/14/2011
I like your thinking on this! It does go along with their other morality-driven platforms.
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dschausf
Lefty for America
08:48 AM on 07/14/2011
I like your comments -- it's such an unfortunate twisted belief system. And so all of them only have sex when they intend to produce children? (well I would believe the Bachmans only had sex for that reason) And it is well known that part (or maybe a large part) of Palin and Bachman's appeal is their sexual attractiveness -- very sick. Ever check out (almost) all of the chicks on Fauxnews? Blondes in short skirts -- for the moral majority.
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Cunningham
I intend to live forever, or die trying. GrouchoM
09:55 PM on 07/11/2011
When are the young women of today going to stand up for their rights and take it to the streets? Get involved in politics and stand up for all women? Unless you want to be govt. incubators, you'd better get busy.

I'll continue to contribute to http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ and http://naral.org/ , but it's really up to YOU, young women of America!
AtlantaBluebelle
When nothing goes right, go left.
09:44 AM on 07/09/2011
ATTENTION:

I'm getting tired of the statement that the anti-abortion crowd only cares about children until they're born. They don't even care enough to support adequate prenatal care. All they care about is forcing women to be pregnant

And for all you anti-abortion zealots out there whining that abstinence and birth control (if you even believe contraception should be legal) will prevent the problem, please visit the CDC and learn that 50% of the pregnancies in this country are unplanned. That includes all those people whose birth control FAILED.

That is all.
01:25 AM on 07/09/2011
Great that so many are concerned with "women's rights" and her freedom to choose what to do with her own body... but sad that all of those XX-chromosomed fetuses that were aborted before they could reach womanhood will never get to experience said "women's rights" for themselves...
09:46 AM on 07/09/2011
This is your argument?
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SmileAndActNice
Utilitarianism, the -ism that works.
08:38 PM on 07/09/2011
Meanwhile I have a god-daughter and a niece who owe their lives to abortion. Both these little girls have mothers who got knocked up as teens and elected to abort. Those abortions put their lives on a path that allowed them to meet loving men, get married, and have these children. I also know a little boy who wouldn't be around if his mother hadn't been able to choose when and where to bear.

No abortion, no them. That's the problem talking about what might have been. There are other things that ALSO might have been. And you don't get to ignore them just cause it suits your argument.

Furthermore, if I tried to do to you against your will what pregnancy does to a woman's body you would defend yourself, with lethal force if necessary, and you'd have every right to do so.
11:04 PM on 07/08/2011
sad that the systematic elimination of the african american race and of females in general is still embraced in our country
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iamone3
11:23 PM on 07/08/2011
Sad indeed.
airmikee99
I can has micro-bio?
03:13 PM on 07/09/2011
The 1930 Census reported back that America's population consisted of 11.9 million African America/Black people, making up 9.7% of the population.

The 2010 Census reported back that America's population consisted of 38.9 million African America/Black people, making up 12.6% of the population.

Tripled in overall numbers while gaining 3% per capita? If that's elimination, then you're a genius.
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hswanson2
Could you work if farmers didn't
09:59 PM on 07/08/2011
Remember GOP minions regulations are for uteri not for corporations.
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Cory111
Life is truly good...
09:33 PM on 07/08/2011
What a woman does with her body is strictly her business.
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Julepandme
04:55 PM on 07/08/2011
Since so many here are spreading lies and propaganda on the effects of abortion on women, I though I'd post a site with scientific fact: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/09/3/gpr090308.html

If you haven't already, educate yourselves.

As for those equating a fetus with a baby: http://discovermagazine.com/2005/dec/fetus-feel-pain
"Fetuses cannot feel pain until at least the 28th week of gestation because they haven't formed the necessary nerve pathways, ..."

So, the only way the anti-woman crowd can justify their arguement is through lies. Not a very sound basis for laws, I think.
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goatini
We are two-legged wombs, that’s all
07:25 PM on 07/08/2011
Fanned and faved for making sure the liars are called out.
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iamone3
09:10 PM on 07/08/2011
In 1984 it was documented that as early as 11 weeks the fetus made outcries of pain & discomfort in a movie called "The Silent Scream". It was directed & narrated by Dr. Bernard Nathanson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Scream

I`m sure you know who Dr. Nathanson is. His testimony is completely credible.
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traceymarie
the President is black, deal with it
09:23 PM on 07/08/2011
wrong...propaganda
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blue rylie
I'm Prochoice Because I'm a Mom
09:24 PM on 07/08/2011
You do know that the makers of the silent scream admitted it as a hoax, right?
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Brigette
The history of liberty is the historyof resistance
04:28 PM on 07/08/2011
You may consider it an overstatement, but I think this stuff is nothing but a modern, toned down version of history's holocaust against women. Terror of women's sexuality and what happens when women have power. This has gone on for thousands of years, but lit up like a raging fire in the hands of Christianity. Women do, in many ways, have control over life, birth, and whether or not there will be a next generation. This perceived power has led to our sisters from the past being abused, beaten, raped, tortured, incarcerated, hanged, and burned at the stake for every reason from a guy being attracted to her to the friggin weather. 9 MILLION women died in fire. This hatred continues today. If a woman has control of her own body, she may decide not to be a vessel for a man's seed. Oh my! If you think this is crazy, ask yourself whether some PLers would want to put women in jail for having an abortion. How many would make it a misdemeanor or even a felony? Would some even want a physical punishment for it? We didn't really need a time machine after all did we?
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goatini
We are two-legged wombs, that’s all
07:27 PM on 07/08/2011
Fanned and faved. The institutionalized hatred of women is ingrained into the dominant patriarchal culture.
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FeralForever
I'm watching you...so play nice
08:10 PM on 07/08/2011
Brigette, you have just gotten another fan and fave. Great post!
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Carpetbagger 68
I see my micro bio as half-full.
03:39 PM on 07/08/2011
So, wait. Let me get this straight. He believes that life begins at conception, but introduces a bill allowing abortions at 5 weeks? That's like me saying I believe life start at the first breath, but feel free to get rid of any babies under 1 year old.

I don't agree with his premise that life starts at conception (you may as well go back one second earlier and say that the egg and the sperm are protected, because each has the potential to create a person) but I don't have any respect for someone who really believes it, yet is willing to compromise by introducing his own legislation.
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Brigette
The history of liberty is the historyof resistance
03:57 PM on 07/08/2011
I could not agree more. It's like the rape/incest exception. If they truly believed a child was being murdered, there should be no leeway at all. They don't truly believe that for a second. It's all about controlling women.
10:55 PM on 07/08/2011
thats because its really about punishing ppl, actually women, for having consensual sex for fun.
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middleoftheroad53
02:25 PM on 07/08/2011
As soon as the GO/Tea, at the State and Federal levels, "took power" after the last election saying JOBS, JOBS, JOBS...they have DONE NOTHING EXCEPT ATTEMPT TO...

Take away a Woman's Right to CHOOSE

Deny Workers UNION RIGHTS TO BARGAIN

Protect CORPORATIONS and the WEALTHY

I could go on...but do I have to?

Many of the "RIGHTS" being "stripped away" by the GO/Tea Party are those of GOP Men and Women who "voted" these Cretans into office. There are MANY that have suffered from "buyers remorse" and they NEED TO STAND UP FOR THEIR "RIGHTS", RECALL WHERE POSSIBLE...and VOTE "WISELY" THE NEXT TIME AROUND!

Good luck!
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iamone3
02:45 PM on 07/08/2011
Just because they are little and need help to survive for a few months, you think that it`s ok to kill them. Better hope you never need help. Someone may think you are nothing but a parasite.
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middleoftheroad53
03:09 PM on 07/08/2011
If you don't agree with abortion (I assume you are a woman)...then don't have one!
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Carpetbagger 68
I see my micro bio as half-full.
03:40 PM on 07/08/2011
If ever I am a parasite, I hope my family has the courage to let me die with dignity.
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BonsaTree
Been Here & Done That!
01:45 PM on 07/08/2011
I started to write something several times and then deleted them all. There's so much to say about this and so much bad feeling to expell.

So Highlights:

I think scientists have a better idea of when a fetus becomes a viable lifeform than does anyone on the prolife side of things.

Why is it that the people who want less government in our lives insist on more government intrusion in what should be a private and personal decision?

What makes the GOP think they had a mandate from anyone to pull this crap?

When do the recalls for the rest of the GOP begin and can we impeach a few of them in the meantime?
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almedoz
Shh! Don't tell my Dad I'm here...
02:11 PM on 07/08/2011
I feel your frustration. I've done the same thing on certain topics, including this one.

You done good. F&F'd.
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ultrawiz
Holding the Middle Ground
04:08 PM on 07/08/2011
F & F'ed !!
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cheo
better a bleeding heart than none at all
01:42 PM on 07/08/2011
I posted earlier about the absurdity and unconstitutionality of using the heartbeat as the criterion, but left out a very important point.

The heartbeat is detectable between 4-5 weeks as I said. But what I failed to say, is that many if not most women don't even know they are pregnant by then.

Which makes this law not only unconstitutional, but the same as "entrapment".
02:07 AM on 07/09/2011
Not only do many women not know that they are pregnant by this time, but there is also a further complication. Quite often the yolk sac is not visible by ultrasound until 6 weeks, and it is possible, depending on the anatomy of the woman who is pregnant, that it will not be possible to see the pregnancy at all via ultrasound until a heartbeat is also visible. This makes an abortion (especially a medical rather than a surgical abortion) extremely dangerous. Without ultrasound visualization it is impossible to know if the pregnancy is uterine or ectopic. So in essence, this law would push women to have earlier abortions instead of prudently waiting to be able to perform the proper tests.
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cheo
better a bleeding heart than none at all
03:00 AM on 07/09/2011
Thank you. I was not aware of these details regarding how erratic the dependability of ultrasound was this early in the pregnancy.