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Pharmaceutical Money Targeted By Dems In Debt Debate


First Posted: 07/08/11 04:52 PM ET Updated: 09/07/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Democrats have targeted pharmaceutical profits as a means of raising revenue as part of the debt ceiling deal, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, said Friday.

Drugmaker profits were protected as part of a deal between Senate Democrats, the White House and Big Pharma to ease health care reform passage. That deal expressly expired upon passage of the health bill, however, leaving pharma vulnerable -- or at least as vulnerable as a deep-pocketed interest group with powerful friends on Capitol Hill can be.

The pharmaceutical industry, during the health care debate, was able to protect profits it makes from government rebates and by selling exorbitantly priced drugs to Medicare beneficiaries. Democrats would go after both pools of money.

"The proposals that we've put on the table have to do with rebates for the pharmaceutical industry," Van Hollen told HuffPost. "The idea of giving Medicare negotiating authority and going to the same rebate policy that was in place in 2005, yeah, those are things that we've actually proposed."

HuffPost asked if Republicans were open to the pharmaceutical proposal. "I don't want to characterize what happened in the talks, but that has been part of the conversation," he said.

A GOP source confirmed that Democrats had put the proposal on the table and that Republicans were continuing to look at it.

Changes to rebate policies in both Medicaid and Medicare could raise billions of dollars. A House bill in the last Congress -- reintroduced by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) in this session -- would have required the industry to return some of its Medicare Part D money to the government. The rebate proposal would have saved $63 billion over ten years, according to an analysis done at the time by the Congressional Budget Office.

Karl Uhlendorf, a vice president for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), said that PhRMA has been working the Hill to make its case, aware that some Democrats have been eyeing the industry's revenue.

"What we've been focusing on is the way in which Part D has been a success. It's provided seniors and disabled Americans with unprecedented access to medicines at an affordable price," Ulendorf said, noting that the program has come in at a price tag roughly 40 percent smaller than initially projected.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has long been supportive of raising additional revenue from prescription drug producers and opposed the White House deal. Hitting the pharmaceutical industry could help win over some of the House democrats that John Boehner and President Obama will need to gain favor for whatever bargain they come up with.

House Republicans may be particularly receptive to the proposal after the drug lobby worked hand in glove with the White House to pass health care reform and followed that partnership by heavily backing Democrats in the 2010 elections -- contributions that haven't been forgotten.

Van Hollen said that Democrats were not considering pushing for allowing for re-importing cheaper drugs from Canada or another foreign country, as the proposal -- valid as it might be -- "doesn't necessarily generate income from a budget perspective."

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WASHINGTON -- Democrats have targeted pharmaceutical profits as a means of raising revenue as part of the debt ceiling deal, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), the top Democrat on the House Budget Committ...
WASHINGTON -- Democrats have targeted pharmaceutical profits as a means of raising revenue as part of the debt ceiling deal, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), the top Democrat on the House Budget Committ...
WASHINGTON -- Democrats have targeted pharmaceutical profits as a means of raising revenue as part of the debt ceiling deal, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), the top Democrat on the House Budget Committ...
WASHINGTON -- Democrats have targeted pharmaceutical profits as a means of raising revenue as part of the debt ceiling deal, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), the top Democrat on the House Budget Committ...
 
 
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OP3366
02:18 PM on 07/10/2011
You cannot keep thinking short term. The fact that the agreement with Big Pharna expired as soon as the bill passed (a fact not widely publicized), then that was a win for Obama and the Demoocrats. Remember, the entire time the bill was being pushed they noted it was an improvement but would need many modifications -- the deal with the drug companies was one of them. Eventually, a larger overhaul, something that makes the whole foot stomping "I want my public option now now" rants almost moot, although I suspect we'll get a public option before we ever see true reform.

Finally, all this hand-wringing and hysterics about sellout Obama because he has put Medicare on the "table" -- well, it looks like much of that has to do with savings, such as on the purchase of drugs. I didn't se such hand-wringing when Medicare was put on the "table" during the healthcare talks.

Obama and Pelosi ar a lot cagier than folks think.
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maserati2
Finally an honest politician! ELIZABETH WARREN!
03:01 PM on 07/10/2011
Obama's Big Pharma deal expired years ago? A statement like that requires a link. Post it now, please.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
OP3366
02:42 AM on 07/11/2011
Does anyone read these articles before commenting? A link? Try the second paragraph of the article we are commenting on.
09:40 AM on 07/10/2011
Maher can't grasp how half the people, the ones who pay most of the taxes, vote for people who don't want to waste them. He used to be a comedian, didn't he?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
hk usp 45
Land of the free not freebie
02:35 PM on 07/09/2011
Pelosi has never seen a source of money that she didn't want to get her hands on.

After all of the Democrat bribe money, there must be quite a few Big Pharma execs. scratching their heads.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
babyspittle
Fox Fake News kills brain cells
03:01 PM on 07/09/2011
I'd ask you to explain your BS, but I know better.

I hope I earned you a nickel.
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HUFFPOST PUNDIT
Chris1962
NYC
02:35 AM on 07/10/2011
Errr, Obama — the man of change — was in bed with the insurance and pharma lobbyists seven weeks into his presidency: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamasdeal/view/?utm_campaign=viewpage&utm_medium=grid&utm_source=grid
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
p47nandmosquito
02:25 PM on 07/09/2011
You see, things like this are how we should be cutting spending. It is an absurd waste of money for Part D to be required to take any terrible price prescription drug companies foist on them. Medicare should have not just a right to negotiate for reasonable prices, but a duty to do so. Let's implement some real fiscal responsibility here.
02:23 PM on 07/09/2011
If Nancy is going to renege on that crooked deal that she made with Big Pharma, she better hurry.

Before her face falls off.
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Pool Guy
Common Sense & Sarcasm used for communication
02:21 PM on 07/09/2011
Was able to protect profits it makes from government rebates and by selling exorbitantly priced drugs to Medicare beneficiaries.

So dems made a deal with big Pharma to screw Medicare over. Who's killing the poor and trying to pass the buck, same dems who always do.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
babyspittle
Fox Fake News kills brain cells
02:28 PM on 07/09/2011
The dems deal brought in $80 billion.

That essentially covers the cost for a full year of bush's unfunded medicare part D.
why are you whining about that?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
300millionblindmice
02:17 PM on 07/09/2011
Big pharm bakced the healthcare reform? Who would've guessed Big Pharm would support such a medical program that would reduce costs.

This is a red herring for Obama supporters and donors. Loyalty doesn't seem to be high on his agenda. Now I get it. This are type of changes he was talking about?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
babyspittle
Fox Fake News kills brain cells
02:28 PM on 07/09/2011
www.politifact.com

start there.
welcome to politics.
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HUFFPOST PUNDIT
Chris1962
NYC
02:41 AM on 07/10/2011
Welcome to a hard-core liberal newspapers's spin machine.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Aaron Calhoun
What are you DOING to improve things?
04:43 PM on 07/09/2011
You should change your screen name to "1blindmouse".
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
300millionblindmice
07:31 PM on 07/09/2011
Na nana nana.

If we were keeping score you would be losing. I'll give you another chance.

One of the most basic, guiding democratic, princilples is exhaust all other means before using military forces. After flip-flopping (that means constantly CHANGING positions) for months, he decides to bomb Llybia while on a sightseeing tour in Brazil where he pledges 2 billion dollars of US taxpayers money so they can produce a deepwater oil reserve while placing a moritorium on domestic gulf drilling.

I can't wait for your rebuke. Or you can just call me a name to make you fell better.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
cornel
wuf wuf
02:02 PM on 07/09/2011
Poor Democrats, they are going to fight against Obama the pharma minion (just remember the deal he made personally behind close doors with them during the health care debate, no collective bargaining etc.). But kudos to Pelosi, she really has cojones
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
OP3366
02:20 PM on 07/10/2011
It was a short term deal open to change day one after the bill was passed! Did you read the article? Obama manipulated Pharma, not capitulated.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
cornel
wuf wuf
05:43 PM on 07/10/2011
Dream on !
01:44 PM on 07/09/2011
Obama had taken office at a true populist moment that demanded more than this. People were gagging over their looted 401(k)s and underwater homes, the AIG bonuses, and the bailouts. Howard Dean rage has never been Obama’s style—hope-and-change was an elegant oratorical substitute—and had he given full voice to the public mood, he would have been pilloried as an “angry black man.” But Obama didn’t have to play Huey Long. He could have pursued a sober but determined execution of justice and an explicit, major jobs initiative—of which there have been exactly none, the too-small stimulus included, to the present day.

By failing to address that populist anger, Obama gave his enemies the opening to co-opt it and turn it against him. Which the tea party did, dishonestly but brilliantly,
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
babyspittle
Fox Fake News kills brain cells
02:29 PM on 07/09/2011
the koch brothers did, not the tea party.

the tea party is confused and medicated, basing their vote on the lies of a front group funded by america's biggest polluters.
heckmepitus
Truth, justice and the American way
01:40 PM on 07/09/2011
Attacking profitable US businesses will definitely increase hiring.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
joyfulworld
Happy Progressive
02:00 PM on 07/09/2011
Which "US businesses" are you talking about? Just about everything that I see in almost any store was made somewhere else. Or do you mean the stores that sell crap made in China?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
cornel
wuf wuf
02:05 PM on 07/09/2011
We need to have pharma prices that are at the same level as anywhere else in the civilized world. Like to milked ? Get a life Eat Mor Chikin : )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescription_drug_prices_in_the_United_States
heckmepitus
Truth, justice and the American way
02:14 PM on 07/09/2011
Do you think we should have energy prices like the the rest of the civilized world? How about food prices? How about housing prices, they should be like the rest of the world?
01:33 PM on 07/09/2011
"doesn't necessarily generate income from a budget perspective."

Idiots! If people have more to spend on other things, they create broader based commerce and increase other industry profits. They in turn pay more taxes and spread the wealth beyond just Big Pharma's bottom line.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
babyspittle
Fox Fake News kills brain cells
02:30 PM on 07/09/2011
one thing at a time.

we're still trying to stop republicans from insisting that killing jobs is the way to help the economy.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
davearnold007
The Talker They Lie, The Poorer I Get
01:31 PM on 07/09/2011
What? Taking away the monopoly of and our enslavement by government protected Big Pharma? Did aliens take control of the minds of these politicians? Did they forget the blood oath they took with industry-screw us for re-election money?

It will be more likely that I wake up a woman than to wake up and see the US government actually use its authorized and responsible position to CUT SPENDING by using its enormous power to bid down the costs of medicine for medicare. Right now, our medicare contributions are rerouted to Big Pharma to pay the highest rates for medicine in the world. Our insurance companies don't care how much they pay because they are in colusion with Big Pharma in keeping government away from controlling costs in ANY medical sector.

This headline is just a tease.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
kreichek12
Um, yeah... about that
01:46 PM on 07/09/2011
"...and see the US government actually use its authorized and responsibl­e position to CUT SPENDING by using its enormous power to bid down the costs of medicine for medicare."

Republicans will NEVER allow this. Ever. They have their pet corporations. Big Pharma, Insurance and Oil are among them.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
davearnold007
The Talker They Lie, The Poorer I Get
04:13 AM on 07/10/2011
Most true. It really impunges our system of government. How can we possibly argue for the pure rights of freedom in cultures we have decided exist without but our system is so corrupt that we strangle our own disadvantaged at the very time that they need our governments help. It sort of stains our intentions when we act for others in a way in which we won't act for our own.

We are a sad bunch. Our reign is over if the Pubs vision wins out. We will go the way of the Romans. or the Dodo.

Sad
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ProgressivesArePatriots
Le laissez-faire, c'est fini
01:31 PM on 07/09/2011
good!

I'm happy about this. Maybe it can set the stage for MORE negotiations with Big Parma as Obama's health care reforms start kicking in!

At the end of the day, this reall is a humanitarian issue. American's shouldn't have to suffer from a pay-or-die health care system.
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ltague
gun makers have no shame,no soul,no family values
01:20 PM on 07/09/2011
GO FOR IT, Nancy! HELP US! The wealthy not only can afford high drug prices; they own STOCK in the companies! They care nothing about us & would just as soon we expire!
01:20 PM on 07/09/2011
Looks like the 0'Bamanation is running out of entities to steal from.