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John Boehner Backs Obama On Far-Reaching Debt Ceiling Plan

Boehner Obama Debt Ceiling Talks

JIM KUHNHENN   07/ 8/11 08:06 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama used a bleak jobs report Friday to prod Congress toward a swift agreement on deficits and the national debt. But the higher unemployment numbers hardened partisan views that a weak economy can't tolerate added taxes or cuts in spending, both key to the grand deal Obama seeks.

White House, congressional negotiators and their aides worked to bridge differences over how to reduce long term deficits by as much as $4 trillion over 10 years. Obama plans to call the eight top leaders of Congress to the White House on Sunday to assess progress.

Summing up the difficulties facing them, House Speaker John Boehner likened the task to a notoriously confounding puzzle. "This is a Rubik's Cube that we haven't quite worked out yet," he said.

A budget agreement is central to increasing the nation's borrowing limit, currently capped at $14.3 trillion, to avoid a potentially catastrophic government default after Aug. 2. That looming deadline and a new unemployment rate of 9.2 percent heightened the pressure for a deal, uniting the two most high-profile challenges now facing Obama's presidency.

Obama called on Congress to move quickly to raise the debt ceiling. He said uncertainty over a potential default has hindered hiring in the private sector.

"The sooner we get this done, the sooner that the markets know that the debt limit ceiling will have been raised and that we have a serious plan to deal with our debt and deficit, the sooner that we give our businesses the certainty they will need in order to make additional investments to grow and hire," Obama said from the Rose Garden in the morning.

Obama made his case privately Friday to House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi during a half-hour meeting at the White House. And in Congress, Boehner, R-Ohio, embraced the desire to act with speed, even though some members of his party questioned the urgency.

"While some think that, you know, we can go past August the 2nd, I frankly think it puts us in an awful lot of jeopardy and puts our economy in jeopardy, risking even more jobs," Boehner said. "So I believe it's important that we come to an agreement, but it has to be an agreement that really does fundamentally change our spending and our debt situation."

Both parties as well as private economists agree that if Washington does not raise the debt ceiling by early August, the economy will be deeply shaken and perhaps slip back into recession.

Obama's contention that hiring is already freezing up because of the uncertainty, though, is a harder case to make. There is scant evidence that the markets are acting nervously.

The yields on Treasury bonds, which should go up if investors get nervous about a default, are close to historic lows. But it is possible that anxiety is affecting investment behavior in ways difficult to pin down.

The White House and Congress are seeking common ground on a budget deal that would trim 10-year deficits by as much as $4 trillion. Obama has urged lawmakers to strive for that number, but some officials on Friday said they believed that a smaller, $2 trillion deal appeared more realistic.

The larger package would require new tax revenues and significant spending reductions in the main government benefit programs, such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

"I don't think things have narrowed," Boehner said Friday. "I don't think this problem has narrowed at all in the last several days."

The jobless numbers complicated negotiations. Republicans argued that increasing taxes would be ill-timed during an economic slowdown; Democrats said a weak economy is not the time to cut government spending.

"Conservatives are just not going to vote for a tax increase on this economy, said Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz.

Countering with a typical Democratic view, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island said: "It's pretty clear that in this time of economic distress, attacks on Social Security and on Medicare are really wrong for the country."

Pelosi emerged from what she described as a "lively" Democratic caucus meeting Friday afternoon and declared: "We are not going to reduce the deficit or subsidize tax cuts for the rich on the backs of America's seniors and working families. No benefit cuts in Medicare and Social Security."

"You can't cut your way to prosperity," the chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, Rep. John Larson of Connecticut, said following the session.

On health care, negotiators have been closing in on cuts of about $200 billion over 10 years, about equally divided between Medicare and Medicaid, with most of the burden falling on individual industries such as hospitals, drug manufacturers and nursing homes.

One Social Security proposal on the negotiating table would lower annual cost-of-living increases, reducing the retirement benefits for older Americans over the long term.

Pelosi said Democrats voiced different views on the cost-of-living proposal for Social Security during their meeting, but she did not say where she stood when asked by reporters. She said that any savings in Social Security would have to be funneled back into the trust fund that finances the retirement program.

And Whitehouse warned Obama and his aides: "They're making a mistake if they think they can just deal away these programs."

Obama, in an interview Friday with Seattle's KING5 television station, sought to assure Democrats that his entitlement proposals would not harm beneficiaries.

"With respect to Social Security and Medicare, my core principle is anything that strengthens Social Security and Medicare and makes sure it's there for the next generation I'm for," he said. "Anything that dismantles it, weakens it, hurts current beneficiaries in ways that are fundamentally unfair, that's not something that I'll accept."

Republicans have showed some new flexibility on closing tax loopholes and ending corporate tax breaks as Obama has demanded. But they say any revenue generated by those steps would have to be used to lower tax rates and simplify the tax system. Such a step would require a major overhaul of the tax code and could not be accomplished in the few weeks left before the Aug. 2 debt ceiling deadline.

Rep. Jack Kingston, R-Ga., said that if Obama and Boehner can agree on an ambitious plan to tackle the nation's debt crisis, many lawmakers of both parties would strongly consider it despite having to swallow elements they strongly oppose.

He said House Republicans might support tax increases that derive mainly from closing unpopular loopholes. "If it's the underbrush of the tax code," it might not be too difficult, he said.

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Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor, Charles Babington and Stephen Ohlemacher contributed to this report.

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DrObvious 11:06 AM on 07/08/2011
Don't know about other voters,  but i am dead set against making cuts to social security and medicare until after taxes are raised on the upper income earners (100,000+ per year, which includes me).   

Don't know about the rest of you, but i'm beginning to believe that it would be ok to go to divided government, where the Democrats have veto proof majorities in the House and  Read More...
10:49 PM on 07/15/2011
Today is July 15th, and the Tea Party is muscling signers of a ridiculous no taxes pledge, like a childish blood brother pact. Now, these infantile newbie legislators are now marching America to ruination.

They intensely lusted for power and did not think. They seem to feel trapped, or are unable to find the courage to admit what they did was unwise and change for the good of their country. In either case, they accuse the President lying that not raising the debt ceiling will cause hardship. They falsely attribute power to the President, beyond reality, saying he coerces Mr. Guethner and, apparently, Standard & Poors as well as Moody to issue warnings of impending negative consequences for not increasing the debt limit, trimming spending and increasing revenues. Their delusion is amazing.

Tea Party untruths are repeated so often, to the unknowledgeable, that they take on a life of their own. Issues like the Birth Certificate fiasco distract citizens from reality and are the insidious weapons of a devious, controlling Tea Party hierarchy who are masters of this shell game.

The Tea Party, a fractured GOP integrity and a weak-kneed progressive left are creating the perfect storm to bring America down. If that happens we should all be prepared to take names and work like our life depended upon it to assure that the freshmen Tea Party gang is given the boot and the rest of the unbending GOP and certain progressives are made to follow them.
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Dan Kreutzer
11:39 PM on 07/10/2011
just when you thought Obama had found a pair and Boo Hoo (Hic) Boehner was sober. What good is golf anyway?
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Barry Dennis
Social Solutionist; economic realist
03:45 PM on 07/10/2011
Let's talk Budget Surplus, not deficit reduction. Let's talk paying down debt, not "reducing the rate of increase!"
In what universe could some say, with a straight face, " We don't need to pay off our debt, it's government debt and not important, we owe it to ouselves. Let's reduce the rate that we're going into further debt, even though it means we're still increasing our debt."
One of the primary reasons America has succeeded has always been it's fiscal prudence, at least until the most recent generation. No longer.
We're spending money like a drunk saailor on shore leave, and the world is noticing. The only way to restore fiscal sanity is a Surplus-not Balanced-Budget.
Paying down the debt would restore major confidence in the world's largest economy(for the time being at least) and free up money for the private sector to invest. Remember that even self-employment is still a job, and success in small business ALWAYS adds jobs.
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Wesley Holbrook
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01:37 AM on 07/10/2011
Extreme high unemployment across America, high gas prices, unprecedented rate of housing foreclosures, high price of food, high price of prescription drug prices, out of control spending on an extremely inflated (not cost effective) defense spending; just how much more can we Americans take??? Now the Government wants to hurt Seniors on fixed incomes, people who are disabled, people who are poor. The wealthy have been getting a free ride for outsourcing jobs overseas; yea, that extreme cheap slave labor wage is too hard to pass up...It's time for WE THE PEOPLE, to come forward and take back OUR GOVERNMENT!!! Get Business out of Government, get Religion out of Government. Get term limits passed, for starters. Get those Corporate lobbyists out!!!!!!! Enough is enough...
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Barry Dennis
Social Solutionist; economic realist
04:07 PM on 07/10/2011
I agree with most of what you said, except the falsehood that the "wealthy have been getting a free ride for outsourcing jobs overseas."
Just not true 'ipso facto" that the wealthy cause overseas jobs. It's the other way; our U.S. standards and currency value have forced manufacturers to outsource jobs to lower wage countries. In so doing, many of the investors in those plants have indeed made more money. I often wonder why factory automation wasn't a better longer term choice to offset the benefits of much lower wages in other countries. The truth is that it was just "easier" and more short-term profit oriented to outsource.The average American wage per hour is $15.00+ and the minimum wage is $7.25. Each is 4 to 8 times the wage rates of countries that export to the U.S., ot that we use for outsourcing.
While automation was a longer term solution, it could have been done. Now other costs, like transportation costs and increasing wages and standards of living in these other areas are starting to affect outsourcing decisions.
Maybe automation, really advanced and reliable production efficiency, will provide U.S. manufacturing and processing jobs, and increase GNP in a significant way, which, by the way, adds revenues to the tax base.
Yes, it's longer term, but not that long. Given the trend of costs, and the truism that, "the longest journey begins with but a single step, now is the time.
10:57 AM on 07/11/2011
What you describe is greed. These CEOs are willing to do anything, sell out anyone and lay-off everyone just to make more ill-begotten profits. These guys didn't NEED to export our jobs and quality of life to 3rd world countries, they did it because they wanted to add a few more million to their pile of money that's so big they'll never be able to spend it.

It's the Republican way, greed and the bottomless desire for profit trumps all morality and reason. These guys would be STILL be making plenty of money if they carried out all their operations here, but sadly, they care more about extra zeros (I stress the word EXTRA) on their bonus than they do about America's future. It's a myopic point of view, this mad dash to increase profits quarter-to-quarter is, by definition, shortsighted and ill-conceived. Just like the small continuing resolutions that leave instability plugged into the equation.

Basically, we could fix this problem if the people who put profit over everything else (aka unbridled greed) are willing to sink this country to avoid having their rich bribe-payers have to pay more in taxes every year. The fact that we need the money means nothing to them, they just want to keep their billionaire donors happy so they can keep receiving their campaign bribes.
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sanityisneeded
No one said it was going to be easy.
10:52 AM on 07/11/2011
The Government also set tax rates on businesses which has helped drive businesses overseas - it is not just a wage issue. Obama also encouraged Brazil to drill for oil so we could buy it from them. Don't drill off our shores as it would offend environmentalist, but drill in Brazil and it is ok. Allow illegals into the country so we can have more people on welfare rolls and getting free medical care. When 46% of our people pay no income tax it is hard to say we are overtaxing the poor and some of the middle class. By the way, I think we should tax the wealthy more, but the problem is far greater than those taxes can cover. I also agree with the setting term limits to get rid of the corrupt bankrolling of some our our Congressmen. We also need a better system for dealing with Unions - giving them a free ride on Obamacare sends the wrong message - if the program is good for one it should be good for all - no exceptions. If a company is going bankrupt, let them go bankrupt and maybe they (Businesses and Unions) woulkd be more concerned with realistic costs and management. Government should stay out of giving preferences to union companies and where companies are located. Get Government out of business.
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Bill Hummel
01:09 AM on 07/10/2011
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05:05 PM on 07/09/2011
I'm just glad somebody's backing somebody in Washington. Speaking from the far left, I don't see alot of integrity in the Republican ranks or some of the Democrats but Boehner puts on a party line face but I think he's to decent a human being to play the same sleezey political tricks McConnell and some of the others play just to get the Democrats out of the white house so they can have absolute power again. I think he realizes it's time for some cooperation, not a power play that would throw us into another recession.
11:00 AM on 07/11/2011
We can hope. But Boehner lacks the very leadership qualities he claims Obama doesn't have. As soon as he returns to his caucus, he allows himself to be manipulated by the crazies that now make up the Republican party into backing off of much-need compromise.
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Debbie McPherson
11:56 AM on 07/09/2011
Plenty of money for illegal wars --3 trillion and counting as Obama expands military action into just about every Arab country---and all for what? Corporate expansion and the banking cartel... We the people are being duped....Obama is a fraud and a liar, he is selling us all out.....same as the GOP ---but at least the GOP isn't lying about their intentions --they are right out front with their agenda ---strip all entitlements and give the money to their corporate pals who pay them the big bribes.....strap the debt on the poorest people and give the rich a free ride ---you know corproations who have enough Congress-given loop holes they pay no taxes.... we must have a third party ----which will actually be a second party since right now we have one party ---the fascist party.....
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johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
03:15 PM on 07/10/2011
Your totally correct to a point Debbie, what I think you forgot is that Obama is also on the receiving end of the corporate bribes. He got most of his money in 2008 from Corporate America and the wealthy just like the Republicans did. The belief that Obama won by receiving mostly small donations of less than $200 is a myth Obama himself created. He received 26% of his haul in that manner. Bush in 2004 received 24% in the same way. The two major parties have made it allmost impossible for a new third party. On July 14th I think we should form the Bastille Day Party.
11:41 AM on 07/09/2011
I don't like this, but I knew it was coming.

It was inevitable that the "entitlements" I paid for all my life were going to get cut.

They can't give me what they don't have, no matter what they promised.

OK, I'll figure out something.


But I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for ObamaCare, DREAM Act or any other government-social programs.

These guys cannot manage anything, not a war, not a border, not a social program, they can't mange to get things right on a computer program.


Fool me once,,,,government that governs least, governs best.
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Debbie McPherson
11:49 AM on 07/09/2011
fight back.....americans must stop being passive -----this fascist govt is destroying we the people.....
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patters85
GOTP= All yap and no map!
02:19 PM on 07/10/2011
How would you be paying for anything that you haven't already been paying for. Obama care as you put it isn't something new. You already pay for everything that's addressed by the affordable care act. I'm not going to waist my time explaining insurance profits and emergency room rates to you but hey. WAKE UP CALL! You are already paying for everything that health reform tries to reduce. If you are unhappy that you have to pay for certain things. Blame republicans for not voting on any of the healthcare plans in the past. The right wants America to be considered a super power but they want backwards policies that destroy powerful nations. Luckily republicans are fading away and Real Americans will have to rebuild this country. What ever that is happening on the right isn't helping the country.
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Debbie McPherson
03:22 PM on 07/10/2011
patter85....I agree with you, such blatant disregard for the people of this country coupled with their avowed determination to dismantle SS and Medicare AND EXTEND TAX CUTS TO THE RICH AND NON-STOP EXPANDING MILITARY ACTION around the world has most Americans seething....I know diehard Republicans who are saying they have had enough....the GOP is collapsing ---thank heavens for that ----now, if the Dems would just run a real Democrat in the primary against Obama who is giving us Bush term #3 ---------we might begin to right all the wrongs that have been heaped on us under the Republicans ------bankrupting us with wars and tax cuts and loop holes so profuse many of teh richest pay nothing in taxes......enough of Republican redistributing wealth fom the dying middle class to the elite....
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johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
03:26 PM on 07/10/2011
Do we really need health care reform that forces people to buy health insurance from bloodsucking insurance companies? The largest in the country, United Health Group in 2006 tried to award their then CEO Dr. William McGuire what the Wall Street Journal at the time estimated to be BACKDATED stock options worth $1.7 BILLION dollars. He lost his job because of the backdating and had to return $600 MILLION of it but that was in addition to his salary. His salary averaged over the previous five years was $125MILLION per year. We don't even need these thieves, Medicare has for years administered that program for approximately 3%. It's just another government welfare program for the rich. Congress knows all this but they are richly rewarded when they take good care of Wall Street.
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10:56 AM on 07/09/2011
Always the same dance, turn something that should be debated in the Senate into a crisis..with "secret talks" and high drama...Kick this bum out 2012
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mollysmomma
God Bless Obama
11:46 AM on 07/09/2011
"kick this bum out"......which bum?.....boehner.....gladly!
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Debbie McPherson
11:51 AM on 07/09/2011
molly....surely you must see that they are all bums, as disgusting a piece of terd as Boehner is, Obama is no better, he is a fraud, he said no cuts to SS and here it is on the table....he is a GOP is sheeps clothing....we've seen this play out before ---big drama ----Obama pretends to be fighting for we the people half heartedly and then he sells us out....good cop, bad cop.......we have a one party system and it is fascist...
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usmcqtco
This is a republic, not a democracy. Let's keep it
09:52 AM on 07/09/2011
"...an Aug. 2 deadline to raise the government's debt ceiling or face an unprecedented default on U.S. obligation..."

This is simply a crock. The federal government has ample cash flow to service existing U.S. debt. Any default will be due solely to a deliberate decision on the part of the administration to default.
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cybersense
11:27 AM on 07/09/2011
Not sure you understand what "default" is in this economy, or globally.
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Debbie McPherson
11:59 AM on 07/09/2011
usmc....you are about right, this whole dance is nothing more than the political theater being put on to dup Americans and convince them that they should lose their SS and medicare.......meanwhile --the costly wars expand, expand, expand and the multinational corporations get a free ride through tax loopholes .......and the croooks on Wall St and in the banking cartel continue all plans to further rob the people ----with the help of a totally corrupted Congress.....welcome to America ---home of the one party system ---fascists....
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johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
03:35 PM on 07/10/2011
Why don't we just tell Corporate America to pay for Afghanistan's Lithium instead of trying to steal it and let us get the hell out of there? Yeah it will mean a lot less money from weapons sales and all that, but the elite probably moved their manufactoring to some country with cheaper labor anyway.
09:22 AM on 07/09/2011
Here we go......Their gonna make a deal to ( KEEP SPENDIN ) .Buisness as usuall in washignton. WHEN WHEN? Are we the american people going to cut the tenicals of this octipus off. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Mr.Boener we hired you to do a job .That job was to cut spending . Stop Obamacare .I put my trust and my faith in you too do just that. Im gettin a feeling in my gut your gonna sell your soul real soon. If you do we the tea party will fire you in 2012. That goes for all you republicans who sell thier souls. Democrats your souls were sold long ago.
CornellDublier
Historical facts are tuff on Republican­s.”
07:21 AM on 07/09/2011
What a farce
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Debbie McPherson
12:02 PM on 07/09/2011
I agree, I have never seen such a group of despicable criminals --all dressed in suits and pretending that they are not out to sell us all out for cash in their pockets........Obama --he's a much a GOP criminal as Boehner and McConnell --all these acts when he knows that he totally plans to dismantle SS and medicare for the masses..........and create the fuedal system that the banking/ corproations want ---the poor and hopeless ---and then them-fat on govt funds....
06:24 AM on 07/09/2011
The Affordable Care Act, President Obama's health-care overhaul passed by Congress last year, was designed to make it easier for Americans in situations like Verone's to get health insurance BTW check "Penny Health" for more information
09:56 AM on 07/09/2011
The press about governmental programs from the people promoting them, and the end result are often far removed from one another. It's often true that rosey predictions end up yielding results very different from predictions made no matter what political associations produce them. It's possible the Affordable care act will be anything but affordable and, for the money, provide much less care to most- no one yet knows.
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billw8017
Obama/Biden 2012
05:29 PM on 07/09/2011
The implementation of the Affordable Care Act will be decisive. A Republican administration can turn it into a dead letter. A Democratic administration will have motives to make it work. The final regulations have yet to be drawn up and waivers are available to states to implement it in their own ways.

The analogous program in Massachusetts is popular there. The possibility remains that this might join Social Security and Medicare among the best things our government has ever done for us. Early on, American industries with Canadian plants acknowledged that government assured healthcare had practical advantages for employers.
12:26 AM on 07/09/2011
John Boenhner is toast the next election.

He has been rolled by the democrats.
11:08 PM on 07/08/2011
I agree with Ron Paul. Force the Federal Reserve to burn the bonds they've purchased with printed money. That would buy us some time and lower our debt a couple trillion. Have Faith.
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billw8017
Obama/Biden 2012
05:33 PM on 07/09/2011
The Federal Reserve pays taxes on the interest from their federal bonds. In practical terms, these are already "burned." Either way, the "printed" money is out there and tends to support inflation, the tax we pay on unpaid taxes.