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Minnesota Shutdown 2011: Budget Dispute Remains Unresolved (LATEST UPDATES)

Minnesota Shutdown 2011

First Posted: 07/08/11 12:04 PM ET Updated: 09/07/11 06:12 AM ET

The post and live blog below are a collaboration between Patch and HuffPost reporters.

The Minnesota state government has been shut down for more than one week.

Governor Mark Dayton (D) and Republican legislators remain at odds in contentious talks to close the state's $5 billion budget gap.

The AP reports:

Minnesota saw one of its three main credit ratings slip on Thursday over budget problems that have led to the state's week-old government shutdown.

Fitch Ratings downgraded the state's bond rating a notch from AAA to AA+, citing the government interruption and "an increasingly contentious budgeting environment."

Former vice president Walter Mondale and former Minnesota governor Arne Carlson are just two members of a bipartisan panel of North Star State politicians and policy experts who have joined forces in attempt to solve the ongoing budget dispute.

St.Michael Patch's Jeff Roberts and Katelynn Metz report:

A whopping $2.2 billion in permanent cuts, $1.4 billion in accounting shifts and $1.4 billion in new revenue -- including a temporary, across-the-board 4 percent tax increase on personal incomes.

Those are the key proposed recommendations from the independent panel of Republicans, Democrats and policy experts who came together to solve Minnesota's budget impasse.

The bipartisan committee tasked with creating a so-called third alternative issued its recommendations Thursday afternoon to Gov. Mark Dayton and Republican lawmakers.

The AP reports that the paralyzation of the Minnesota government is costing the state millions of dollars.

Eagan Patch's Britt Johnsen reports that union workers and residents spoke out at a local public forum on the situation on Thursday night.

Marilyn Remer, a utilities engineer at the Minnesota Department of Transportation, was laid off. She got up in front of the crowd. "I just can't believe how much money we've already wasted," she said.

After the meeting, she said this is also terrible for state workers' morale. Some of her colleagues even expressed that they wanted to keep working, despite the shutdown. That's because their plates were already full. "We're going to have so much work to do," she said.

"It's so hard not knowing how long it's going to be" until they can go back to work, Remer said.

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Rep. Kurt Bills writes today on Rosemount Patch:

"A true budget solution not only balances our bottom line today, but it puts us on track for sustainability. The state budget package we passed this week gets us pointed in the right direction."

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Patch's Jeff Roberts reports:

“Welcome back. We missed you,” was the first thing Department of Natural Resources (DNR) Commissioner Tom Landwehr said before announcing that the opening of Minnesota state parks, forests and facilities is ahead of schedule. Originally scheduled to open at 8 a.m. Friday morning, Landwehr reported that as of 11 a.m. Thursday morning, 11 state parks are fully open, with an additional 15 parks partially open.

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Apple Valley Patch's Allison Wickler reports:

School administrators for District 196 will be meeting today to learn more about the state budget’s impact on local education. "I would say it’s certainly going to have an impact on schools," said Tony Taschner, communications director for Rosemount-Apple Valley-Eagan public school district.

The state government opened for business Thursday, a day after Gov. Mark Dayton signed into law budget bills that will affect everything from schools to health care in terms of state operations. Taschner said Thursday that a delay in school funding is "just further... delaying the problem."

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The AP reports:

Minnesota state workers returning to their offices after a three-week government shutdown will soon have to start processing a host of policy changes included in a pile of budget bills passed by the Legislature and signed by Gov. Mark Dayton.

One major change in the education budget bill is a new method of evaluating public school teachers that more closely ties their job status to student performance. The new system won't be fully in place until 2014.

Supporters say it's aimed as much at rewarding good teachers as disciplining bad ones. But the chief Senate sponsor says it should give local districts more latitude to get teachers out of classrooms if they consistently fail to improve student performance.

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Minnesota Public radio reports:

After three weeks of a government shutdown during which more than 20,000 state workers sat at home laid off, and state parks, rest stops and countless other operations sat idle, many Minnesotans are angry the people they elected to balance the state budget failed to do so.

Again, Minnesota lawmakers plugged a budget gap with short-term fixes. Rather than making structural changes in the way the state spends and collects money, more payments to schools will be deferred and future tobacco-settlement proceeds will now be tapped for cash.

As a likely consequence, the state's budget problems will return, and that fact hasn't been lost on voters who may remember the gridlock that dominated St. Paul on their next trip to the polls.

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Burnsville Patch's Clare Kennedy reports:

A group of Republican lawmakers today announced a plan that would effectively end state government shutdowns. Under the proposal, if a budget agreement isn’t reached by the end of the legislative session, funding for state services would continue at previous levels.

However, at least one of their colleagues believes a repeat of the 2011 shutdown is not in the cards. Burnsville Rep. Pam Myhra said all involved learned a lesson, albeit the hard way. "One thing I've heard is that the negotiation process (over the last few days) was a positive experience, with a good discussion and lots of give and take.

I think the shutdown was a shame -- unfortunate and unnecessary," Myhra said. "But hopefully this has been a good learning experience that will encourage us to work it out earlier, rather than to push it out and try to make a statement. I don't think it would happen again. It's been very painful for a lot of people."

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Richfield Patch's Caitlin Burgess reports:

"The bottom line is the governor agreed to accept a Republican budget plan by accepting this idea of borrowing money to balance the budget," Thissen said. "After Republican legislators were given seven options to do it in a permanent and more responsible way, he agreed. That’s why DFL legislators were told to leave the room. We didn’t have any part in the final negotiation of bills."

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The AP reports:

Minnesota's government is reopening for business after a nearly three-week shutdown closed state parks, laid off some 22,000 public workers and demonstrated the wide reach of state agencies.

Most state employees were told to start reporting to work at 7 a.m. Thursday, a day after Gov. Mark Dayton signed a budget deal that ended the nation's longest state government shutdown in a decade. It also cost Minnesota millions in lost revenue.

Not all services will resume quickly, and the work backload is expected to be large, but the recalled workers will restart a slew of services from the lottery to enabling licensing for drivers and anglers.

Even horseracing enthusiasts will have their fun back because the shutdown, in one of many examples of the government's reach, forced Canterbury Park horse track to close after state gambling regulators were laid off. It cost horse owners and jockeys more than $1 million in purses and put about 1,000 people out of work.

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Burnsville Patch's Clare Kennedy reports:

Rep. Pam Myhra (R-Burnsville) was working on five hours of sleep when she spoke with Burnsville Patch. "I don't think any of us —the governor included— think we got everything we wanted," Myhra said. "I'm not worried about [backlash]. I'm not in it to be re-elected. I'm here to stand on principle. My goal to have sensible state spending and protect families from tax increases. I want to champion those principles. I will let the election take care of itself."

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Northfield Patch's Zac Farber reports:

Rep. Kelby Woodard who represents Northfield said "My constituents are ready for the government shutdown. I am as well."

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Eagan Patch's Zac Farber reports:

Sen. Ted Daley, who represents Eagan, said the state could avoid future faceoffs like this and plans to introduce legislation that would prevent a government shutdown again. A shutdown was "certainly not anything that anybody wanted," Daley said.

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Hopkins Patch's James Warden reports:

Rep. Steve Simon (DFL-District 44A) and Sen. Ron Latz (DFL-District 44) are glad the shutdown is in the past but unhappy with the way the final budget relies so heavily on cuts and borrowing.

“This is regrettable because there were better ways to do this fiscally,” Latz said. “The reduction is two-thirds cuts and one-third borrowing, and to me, this is like paying your bills with a very high interest credit card.”

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Minnetonka Patch's Katelynn Metz reports:

Although the ink is now dry on the state’s budget and the government shutdown has officially ended, implications of the shutdown may be far from over for the city of Minnetonka—and its budget.

The reason: the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT) stopped work on the Highway 169/Bren Road interchange project during the shutdown. City officials said the decision was avoidable, and warned it could be expensive. And now, Minnetonka is considering taking legal action against MnDOT.

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Oakdale Patch reports:

Rep. Nora Slawik said many of the 12 bills that passed the Minnesota Legislature Tuesday were hastily written and Democrats were excluded from helping write them.

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Roseville Patch's Zac Farber reports that Reps. Bev Scalze and Mindy Greling both expressed disappointment in the final outcome of the government shutdown.

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Sen. Scott Dibble, who represents Southwest Minneapolis, said Tuesday the new budget deal that ends the state government shutdown was the product of extremist views held Republicans in the state legislature.

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MInnetonka Patch's Katelynn Metz reports:

Sen. Terri Bonoff (DFL-Minnetonka) told Patch that the budget solution doesn’t solve the real problem: a swollen budget with few long-term fixes. “The gap that we have fixed has been fixed with one time money…with a Band-Aid and we’ll bleed more next year,” she said. “We still don’t have revenue that’s in line with our projected expenditures…This is a solution that is not fiscally responsible.”

Rep. John Benson (DFL-Minnetonka) said he was "disappointed" with the final budget. "We’re now stealing $2.3 billion total from our school children -- with no way to pay it back. We’re borrowing $700 million from future revenue that isn’t guaranteed -- putting more debt on our children," he said. "We’re almost literally mortgaging the future of our state. This is the height of fiscal irresponsibility and our state will be paying for it for decades to come."

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Rosemount Patch's Jennifer Pfeffer reports:

Leprechaun Days is only a few short days away. This 10-day long celebration begins on Friday and runs through Sunday, July 31. However, that is a little too soon for vendors participating in the festival.

Due to the state government shutdown, vendors are unable to obtain the required electrical permits from the state and, instead, must purchase them through the city. On Tuesday, the City Council voted to decrease the permit fee for vendors from the usual $55 to match the state fee of $35 for this year only.

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Rep. Keith Downey of Edina said Tuesday that while he's not 100 percent happy with the outcome of the special session budget deals, he felt the legislature was finally coming together on an acceptable compromise.

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Maple Grove Patch reports that an upbeat Maple Grove Sen. Warren Limmer said Tuesday he's glad to get the budget bills passed to get Minnesota state workers back on the job.

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Rosemount Patch's Jeff Roberts reports:

Gov. Mark Dayton just signed into law all 12 budget bills passed in the middle of the night Wednesday by the Minnesota House and Senate. Dayton’s signatures ended the shutdown of Minnesota government—at 20 days, it was the longest continuous shutdown of any state government in United States history.

In the end, Dayton kept his promise that he wouldn’t sign any of the bills until all 12 had passed through both houses of the legislature

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The AP reports:

After signing the budget, Dayton said he was "not entirely happy" with it.

"It's not what I wanted, but it's the best option that was available and would be for any time," he said. Dayton said the budget "gets Minnesota back to work."

Details were still emerging Wednesday about how quickly state operations would restart.

A day earlier, Tina Smith, Dayton's chief of staff, told reporters that state employees would get 24-hour notice before reporting back to their jobs.

Jim Schowalter, the state's budget commissioner, added that it will take longer to restart some state agencies than others since some have continued partial operations during the shutdown. He predicted it would take weeks for agencies to work through paperwork backlogs, clean up parks and other sites and return to normal operations.

"There is a backload of work," Schowalter said. "There is a backload of issues that are going to have to be addressed."

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The AP reports:

In less than 12 hours, lawmakers passed nine budget bills that together fund all major state operations. Individually, many of the bills stretched to hundreds of pages, leaving legislative Democrats to complain they were voting based on little knowledge of what was contained within. ..

During floor debate, Republicans tweaked Democrats for voting against the only available option to end the shutdown. A vote against the budget bills "is a vote to continue the shutdown," said House Majority Leader Matt Dean, R-Dellwood.

In addition to the nine budget bills, lawmakers approved a pension bill and legislation allocating dedicated sales tax money to outdoors and cultural programs. They approved a $498 million construction bonding projects bill that includes $51 million for a new physics building at the University of Minnesota, $42 million for a new science and engineering laboratory at St. Cloud State University, $50 million for flood control projects around the state, and $56 million for transportation projects with more than half to local bridge replacement and repairs.

While Democrats bemoaned the spending bills as not generous enough, some conservative Republicans had resisted to committing their support after months in which they insisted no new revenue was needed in the next state budget. But in the end, House Republicans held together on all the budget bills while Senate Republicans suffered only a few defections on a handful of the bills.

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The Star Tribune reports:

The special session concluded just before 3:45 a.m. Wednesday after a marathon of votes on nine budget bills and a $500 million bonding bill. There was little fanfare when the deal was done and lawmakers had erased a projected $5 billion deficit largely through one-time borrowing.

The dormant gears of Minnesota’s government will not start moving until Dayton signs the bills on Wednesday morning.

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Fridley Patch's Jeff Roberts reports:

11:15 p.m. [CST] Tuesday: It took less than an hour’s work for Minnesota lawmakers, who reconvened this afternoon, to pass five bills, the first of several that Gov. Mark Dayton is expected to sign.

The House and Senate took their seats in the Legislature at around 3 p.m., opened the special session, observed a moment of silence for the late Sen. Linda Scheid (R-Brooklyn Park) and then recessed for more than three hours.

When they reconvened at around 7 p.m., they got to work. Within an hour, the Senate had passed six bills; the House had passed five. The Legislature then went into recess again; lawmakers were back at their desks later in the evening.

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Richfield Patch's Caitlin Burgess reports:

Now that legislators are working to end the state shutdown during a special session Tuesday, the Minnesota Historical Society announced it will reopen all 26 of its historical sites and museums throughout the state Saturday.

Including Fort Snelling, where Rachel Gonzales and Adam Hanneman were supposed to get married July 16. Unfortunately, this news comes a little too late for the newlyweds, who found an alternate location to continue with the Saturday wedding.

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Mendota Heights Patch's Danielle Cabot reports:

Mendota Heights-area legislators said during today's recess that they aren’t thrilled with the source of revenue being used to balance the budget and end the state shutdown, and they’re not too happy with how the process has worked to the exclusion of the public and most legislators.

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St. Michael Patch's Jeff Roberts reports:

Once Gov. Mark Dayton received the final seven bills, he will sign the package into law and the shutdown will come to an end. Money could start flowing to state agencies as soon as late Wednesday.

"We're confident [the shutdown will come to an end], yes," said Senate Majority Leader Amy Koch, who represents St. Michael. . "We've been busy caucusing and our membership is on the same page. There's mixed emotion. We were really excited about the bills we (had) passed in May. But there are still reforms in this package. We're excited to see the effect of those reforms."

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The AP reports:

An end to Minnesota's nearly three-week-long state government shutdown came into view on Tuesday, when Gov. Mark Dayton called the Legislature into a special session to vote on a budget deal.

The 19-day government stoppage has sullied Minnesota's good-government reputation, while disrupting lives and businesses around the state.

It will be over only after both chambers of the Republican-controlled Legislature approve nine budget bills and Dayton, a Democrat, signs them into law. Legislative leaders and Dayton agreed before the votes began to limit the scope of the special session and lawmakers' ability to tinker with the bills in an effort to keep the budget pact from unraveling once 200 legislators get involved.

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St. Michael Patch's Mike Schoemer reports:

Rep. Joe McDonald (R-Delano) of District 19B–which includes St. Michael-Albertville–said he has some "concerns with some of the provisions of the final budget agreement, but is glad to see "progress." He said he hasn't read enough of the framework to give his full opinion on the negotiated agreements.

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05:07 PM on 07/11/2011
This shut down of the State Government in Minnesota is big news on the Huffington Post. We need to make it big news in the state of Minnesota. Only those people in the state who are dependent on Government handouts even know that the state workers are off the job.

How can we let the overwhelming majority of the citizens of that state know that this is a disaster? Only a handful of them seem to be interested.
08:11 AM on 07/11/2011
Do you know that some people receive up to $1200 a month food stamps plus cash? Do you know, that to cash out food stamps cost 10%?
Do you know that adult daycare regularly provide trips to casino and restaurants? They enroll elderly people and split money with their relatives, if elderly don't attend daycare?
Do you know that new emigrants try to stay at college as long as possible, just to receive food stamps longer and 90% never even attempt to find a job after "Graduation"?
Stop spending!
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Suresp77
Your constitutional rights stop where mine start!
10:41 AM on 07/11/2011
love to see proof of your assertions above- as a former MN international student, the last part "Do you know that new emigrants try to stay at college as long as possible, just to receive food stamps longer and 90% never even attempt to find a job after "Graduatio­n"?" is patently lying, at least among the over 2500 students that I knew in university in MN.

Also: emigrant [ˈɛmɪgrənt]
n
(Sociology)
a. a person who leaves one place or country, esp a native country, to settle in another
b. (as modifier) an emigrant worker
get educated before you post please
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Suresp77
Your constitutional rights stop where mine start!
10:44 AM on 07/11/2011
OOPS, sorry, did not mean that last part for you at all- my apologies
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millcitymiss
24. Minneapolis. Dirty Minority Liberal Feminist.
07:15 PM on 07/13/2011
It's easy to make an argument when you just make up facts to suit your needs.
09:33 PM on 07/10/2011
President Obama is right. The Republicans are holding a gun to the head of America and demanding that we, the citizens cough up $2 Trillion in subsidies to continue the Bush tax cuts.
Extortion is extortion. Pay up or suffer a dramatic economic downturn as the U.S. reneges on debts for the first time in history.
Even worse, to cover the massive giveaways to the filthy rich without raising taxes, raiding Medicare and Social Security is the only option left.s
As little old ladies shiver hungry in the dark, at least a billionaire somewhere has a huge tax break by claiming his 250 foot yacht as a second home. Not joking either.
07:03 PM on 07/10/2011
Stop killing the people, families, children, grandmothers, infants, mothers, uncles, sisters, fathers, grandfathers, cousins, teachers, doctors, dancers, police, dog catchers in other countries. Stop blowing up their schools, roads, homes, playgrounds, grocery stores, parking lots, bike trails, hospitals.... Stop these multiple WARS and will have plenty of funds for our own affairs.
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se72748
04:25 PM on 07/10/2011
Some republicans are very rich.The ones that are not very rich are very stupid.I hope they are suffering to. God bless the working man.
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millcitymiss
24. Minneapolis. Dirty Minority Liberal Feminist.
03:08 PM on 07/10/2011
Thank you, Governor Pawlenty, for refusing to raise taxes so you could run for President with the tagline that you never raised taxes. Didn't keep income taxes in line with inflation, raised the tuition at public colleges and universities, raised every fee in the books.

Although the shutdown is not good for anyone, I am happy that Governor Dayton is standing up for the people of Minnesota.
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Toby Fowler
03:43 PM on 07/10/2011
I'm happy too.I hope the rest of the country follows suit.We need strong gov't. cutbacks like the congress of Minn. want's and we need to raise taxes on any one individual that makes over 200,000 a year or 250,000 for couples per year like the Gov. wants.Until these children can learn to play together then we need the shut down.
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Toby Fowler
03:47 PM on 07/10/2011
By the way I got their plans backwards.I meant the Gov. wants to raise the taxes and the congress wants way more gov't. cuts.
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sarabono
Oldie but Goody
02:10 PM on 07/10/2011
What the hell is wrong with Gov. Dayton? Doesn't he know how to cut a Deal? What a FAIL !
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cybersense
02:44 PM on 07/10/2011
He knows this: He knows that gimmick budgets has played a huge role in our rating for credit as a state. Our MN GOP leg has actually tried many gimmicks, and the real way to balance a budget is with both cuts and revenue. MN has many fortune 500 companies, what you see on the face of the tax on their income isn't what they actually end up paying. To delay school payments will only harm our rating, and the MN GOP proposal actually stated the delay as a form of Revenue. It is not revenue, but debt and it is a gimmick. The issue with doing that will force our schools to borrow money (bond) with interest. Do you see a problem with this? Another tactic they tried was to use fake numbers in balancing the budget. Our governor caught them using these fake numbers, and called them on it. Their statement in response was that they got those number from outside MN and it had nothing to do with our real budget numbers, which come from nonpartisan organization legally recognized as the official entity to do just that. When the differences appeared, they were asked where the got the numbers from - I know where they got them, and it had nothing to do with MN. It had to do with party line promoting and other states did it too. Some actually used the false numbers. In order for MN to become back in the good graces of the rating system, MN must produce real revenue in the budget. 

What people do not understand is that at face value, it looks like our companies pay a lot of taxes, for the last several years, the amount of revenue obtain from those companies have actually dropped, almost below half of what was paid before. A lot of revenue from companies comes in from companies that only produce and make profits in MN alone. Those companies that do multistate transactions, and make profits outside of MN, actually do not pay taxes on those sales. Plus, MN has a huge tax credit for R & D, along with Federal credit.
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millcitymiss
24. Minneapolis. Dirty Minority Liberal Feminist.
03:03 PM on 07/10/2011
He has made $1.8 billion dollars in compromises already. Is he supposed to just fold and compromise all his values to the demands of the Tea Party?
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cybersense
11:42 AM on 07/10/2011
While we have larger corporations being taxed at a higher rate, what most people do not understand that there are so many tax loopholes in our US system, including MN that allows them to pay less tax. While you may here complaining about our tax system from many of them about being able to compete with other countries in a tax system, you don't here them complaining that when said and done, with all those differences in loopholes within each industry, they end up paying less then other countries do. While income tax on Corporate rates seems high in some states, there are other taxes or non taxes, and expenses that differ in each state. For instance, MN does not have a "throwback sales" tax, while North Dakota does. So, if a company that is has it sales stationed outside of MN  but generates profits from other states, they are not taxed on those portions of out of state sales. 

North Dakota does do that, and so products that are sold in other base, while their base is in state, North Dakota still gains taxes from those profits. Tricky to understand, but if you look at what amount of money goes to the state to cover for state run expenses, you then understand how complex the tax system is and not just per state either. If you are a smaller business where most of your business profits comes from the state itself, you have to pay income tax on 100 percent of those profits. (this is just one example of how states vary on types of taxes collected. You cannot just look at income tax for measurement. MN utilities are lower then some other states as well. Now, those corporations that use overseas business to reduce the amount of tax the pay on a federal level is another form of a loophole for taxes. You can have a differences in opinion, but you should know what you are having a difference on really. The political rhetoric only strives to divide our nation. 

For instance, a large state may have more taxes, and a spend more in gov that has more people. Some states will have no income tax to state, but will be imposed a municiple tax. Where some states have state sales tax only on certain goods and/or services, others do not tax services, etc. Some will have smaller state sales tax, while cities and counties add more to that state sales tax. There is no such thing as across the board.
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eg8tr
Don't buy a "G"uvmint "M"otors car
11:07 AM on 07/10/2011
let me be clear, are you saying that the bailouts of GM and multiple other companies were welfare? I thought they were investments.
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eg8tr
Don't buy a "G"uvmint "M"otors car
11:29 AM on 07/10/2011
sorry, posted incorrectly--this was a response.
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Toby Fowler
03:48 PM on 07/10/2011
Then where in the hell is my investment,dude.That's about how much sense that makes.
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se72748
04:31 PM on 07/10/2011
Millions more people working then would have been if GM and Chrysler had gone under.Its not only about them .Its also about the tens of thousands who make the products to supply the car makers .i.e.windows,paint,upholstery,wire,computer parts,ect.ect.ect..Not to memtion stores of all kinds ,restaurants.
Saving the auto industry was a good thing.Its good to ask what you can do for your country.The GOP should try it once in a while.
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eg8tr
Don't buy a "G"uvmint "M"otors car
06:45 PM on 07/10/2011
just making fun of our illustrious pres. who no longer proposes spending--the new word is investing. The response was to a lib who suggested that the tarp money was part of welfare to the corps. and comparing it to the huge amount of welfare in general.
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09:50 AM on 07/10/2011
What most people fail to realize is that the republicans are out to destroy the unions for political gain. The demos have less financial contributers tan the the republics. Do away with unions an cut out a Themajor donor. All states that are now controlled by reps are heavy into union busting. Karl Rove is building up fortunes for that purpose, The Koch brothers are donating fortunes for that cause. Their theory is that without union donations, the dems can't finance elections. The reoubs want to be the only party and do away with democracy. The replican legislature has closed the state in Minn because the dem gov will not agree to the union busting
tjdwill01
more than distance divides Austin and Boston
10:03 AM on 07/10/2011
What YOU fail to understand is that under rules that apply to elections and the participation of public sector unions, these unions bargain with politicians for their pay and benefit packages. In private business, this is known as labor vs. management negotiations. But in the public regime, these unions not only spend massive amounts of money (biggest contributor in this election season is the municipal employees union), but their members get to vote for candidates as well. In other words, they get a say in WHO SITS ACROSS THE NEGOTIATING TABLE FROM THEM. This is nothing short of extortion! THe failings of private corporate governance pale in comparison to that inherent conflict of interest.
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cybersense
10:39 AM on 07/10/2011
Sure, like there isn't private business lobbying buddy. You make me laugh.
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gernger
11:09 AM on 07/10/2011
The Koch brothers hold private secret meetings wit republic govs and advise them how to bust unions and the democratic party. The republics don't campaign on those issues, they sneak them in after getting elected. Are you going to say with a straight fae that major donors, like the Koch brothers don.t extort those govs.
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Toby Fowler
03:49 PM on 07/10/2011
Also for the gain of America.Unions suck,pal.
05:06 PM on 07/10/2011
Ever been in one? I bet not.

Toby, every post I see of your's is gibberish. I am laughing at you.
07:14 PM on 07/10/2011
Toby, if you enjoy working weekends, having your children work 14 hrs, having your mom, wife, sister or daughter felt up by the boss and working in dangerous environments then you probably never needed the unions.
09:31 AM on 07/10/2011
I hope the elected officals in Minnosota are not getting paid while they are not trying to fix the problem
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cybersense
10:40 AM on 07/10/2011
I only know of one that has volunteered herself not to get paid during the shut down.
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millcitymiss
24. Minneapolis. Dirty Minority Liberal Feminist.
03:03 PM on 07/10/2011
182 of them are.
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eyeforeye42
Do the right thing for the right reason
08:06 AM on 07/10/2011
Minnesota for sale? Highest bidder takes all. Bargin price too. Hire your own management and toss out the legislators. The idea is getting more appealing
tjdwill01
more than distance divides Austin and Boston
10:06 AM on 07/10/2011
Cut it up and sell time shares. Who wants to live there year- round ?
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Toby Fowler
03:50 PM on 07/10/2011
Yeah,lets make sure the Gov. is the first one gone.
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cybersense
07:55 PM on 07/10/2011
toby, you sound terrible.
07:34 AM on 07/10/2011
Solve the problem borrow from the Teachers pensions and future Tobacco sales. What a plan.
How many major cities in this country have Demo mayors and are on the track as Minn. To many give aways let familys take of themselves.
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cybersense
08:00 PM on 07/10/2011
I don't know where you have been, but they do and most of them value those things that makes MN one of the top states. One of them is education. Not long ago, it was valued by both sides. You cannot borrow from the teachers or schools or delay their payments. That would require them to go and borrow money with interest and in case you haven't heard, that is called a budget gimmick because those who proposed this idea called it "revenue", it is not and those types of gimmicks have caused MN to be rated lower, which means when entities such as schools go to borrow money, the interest rates goes up. Minnesota has people that are grown to work and work hard. It is those who have hyperbolic political goals that have hijacked this state and has harmed us. Don't tell someone who knows the budget, the issues, the taxes and the expenses and how many cuts have already been previously made something you know nothing about.
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p456
Walking Tall.
06:26 AM on 07/10/2011
This is the end result of putting the GOPTARDKLANBAGGERS in office Minnesota you get shut down while they get a vacation on your dime.
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starztruck4u
To be, rather than seem to be.
09:16 AM on 07/10/2011
It is the result of a nanny state gone bad. Too many entitlements breaking the bank. Always the problem with socialism.... you run out of other people's money.
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cybersense
10:41 AM on 07/10/2011
Socialism? (laughing) And do you earn money for a living? Tell me, what is it life that you put a value on?
It wasn't education?
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Toby Fowler
03:53 PM on 07/10/2011
You hit the nail on the head.
05:30 AM on 07/10/2011
The one group in this country that is benefitting from the ecomomic crisis are the employers....don't let anyone fool you...they are glad this is happening....they do not have to pay benefits as before, they can lower salaries, and reap better profits because people are desperate for whatever they can get.....
08:22 AM on 07/10/2011
are you an employer? until you have employed anyone dont talk about how employers feel---government has made it very difficult to hire anyone with its mountain of paperwork and regulations. its always the people in business that are riding high and raking in the dough--right? until this country makes it easier for small businesses to hire people---and thus grow into larger businesses that can hire more people---small business in this country is doomed--
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TheBluesGuy
I'm too old to be governed by fear of dumb people.
09:25 AM on 07/10/2011
What mountain of paperwork? Fill out a W-4, an I-9, and notify your state's new hire reporting program.
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cybersense
10:43 AM on 07/10/2011
It isn't the Large Corps that are having a hard time with that. Often times the lobby for those regulations to make it harder for those smaller businesses to compete. I know, I have seen it first hand. The smaller businesses are the ones that have the hardest time, and it isn't because federal/state do all that lobbying for more paper work. Believe me, all you have to do is keep an eye on what those big business do when lobbying for regulations.