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Economists Expect Jobless Rate To Fall Despite Weak Jobs Report: Poll

Unemployment Poll

First Posted: 07/09/11 12:11 PM ET Updated: 09/08/11 06:12 AM ET

NEW YORK (Chris Reese) - Economists at top financial institutions expect the U.S. unemployment rate to fall in 2011 and 2012 despite a surprisingly weak jobs report on Friday, a Reuters poll found on Friday.

Though the economists at primary dealers are calling for unemployment to remain at historically high levels through 2012, they ascribe only a 20 percent chance of the Federal Reserve undertaking another stimulus program of Treasuries purchases in the next two years, the poll found.

Most of the economists at primary dealers -- the 20 large financial institutions that do business directly with the Fed -- expect stubbornly high unemployment will contribute to the U.S. central bank holding official interest rates at current levels near zero through the first half of next year.

The poll was conducted after the government said on Friday that the unemployment rate rose to a six-month high of 9.2 percent in June, while non-farm payrolls grew by a mere 18,000 last month.

The lackluster jobs growth stunned most economists, as the median of forecasts was for growth of 90,000.

"It is a pretty jarring result, especially on the back of a weak May report," said Omair Sharif, U.S. economist with RBS Securities in Stamford, Connecticut. "But we know that a number of data sets are going to improve in the third quarter, especially in respect to the factory sector with auto production and so on.

"There is some evidence that things started to pick up in the second half of June," Sharif said.

In Friday's poll, the median of forecasts from 14 of the 18 economists who answered the primary dealer poll was for the U.S. unemployment rate to dip to 8.7 percent by the end of 2011.

The median of forecasts from 17 of the dealers was for a further dip to 8.4 percent by the middle of 2012, while the median from 18 of the dealers was a rate of 8.1 percent by the end of 2012.

Not all of the economists who responded to the poll answered all the questions.

"We have not adjusted our future outlook on monetary policy noting (June payrolls) could be related to transitory factors, and we will keep watching the data throughout the summer months before changing any of expectations," said Justin Lederer, Treasury analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald in New York.

The median of forecasts from 16 of the dealers gave a 20 percent chance the Fed will do a "QE3" type stimulus program in the next two years. That compares with a median of 10 percent in a similar poll conducted June 3.

The Fed's latest $600 billion program of Treasuries purchases, dubbed QE2, ended last week.

Thirteen of the 18 primary dealers who answered the poll expect the Fed to hold official interest rates steady at the current range of zero to 0.25 percent through the first half of 2012. A poll conducted on June 22 produced similar results, with 14 of 19 dealers calling for the Fed to keep rates on hold through the first half of next year.

Friday's payrolls data "provides more support for the view that the Fed will be on hold for a long time," said Dean Maki, chief economist at Barclays Capital in New York.

(Additional reporting by Emily Flitter and Pam Niimi; Editing by )

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NEW YORK (Chris Reese) - Economists at top financial institutions expect the U.S. unemployment rate to fall in 2011 and 2012 despite a surprisingly weak jobs report on Friday, a Reuters poll found...
NEW YORK (Chris Reese) - Economists at top financial institutions expect the U.S. unemployment rate to fall in 2011 and 2012 despite a surprisingly weak jobs report on Friday, a Reuters poll found...
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ABACADABRA RABBIT
VOTE GREEN PARTY 2012
11:27 PM on 07/13/2011
A poll? That is so stupid.

I think it will go down too. maybe 1-2%.
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whyus
San Francisco native
01:14 PM on 07/11/2011
Why do they expect it to fall when banks are holding on to their money and new jobs are failing to materialize? Big money doesn't want us to get a share; they want what we've got - social security and medicare.
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OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
11:53 AM on 07/11/2011
Reuters was black balled and then taken over.

it's not what it was.

This story is just a securities sales press release dressed up as news
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Si1ver1ock
So long, and thanks for all the fish...
12:53 PM on 07/13/2011
Interesting. Is there an article somewhere with more particulars?
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James F Barry
Single, Gay, Designer, 5
10:38 AM on 07/11/2011
I think theses "dealers" are way off and may end up being with out work themselfs....and having to "deal" with 10% unemployment in 2012......But they have nothing to fear....they can always turn to a different "dealing" as in crack/smake/ice.....
07:11 PM on 07/10/2011
The problem is that suicide rates among the jobless have not been up to what the Primary Dealer Economists predicted.

The economists predicted, based on their projections of the depressing effects the spiraling down economy, the idiocy amongst political leaderships, in both parties, the national reneging on social security and medicare to spend the money sucked from the workers for those on continuing pointless foreign warfare, and escalating quibbling over prejudices and preferences while the real values that the freedoms of the United States depend on are debased, would have on the victimized working Americans, that suicide rates would go up to levels that would off-set the continuing increases in lay-offs.

That is all it is going to take, after all: As soon as the numbers of jobless killing themselves exceed the numbers of the newly laid off, the statistical numbers of still-living jobless will start going down.

Why the jobless, especially the long-term and homeless and hungry jobless, continue to hold tenaciously onto life is a mystery Primary Dealer Economists cannot begin to fathom.
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300millionblindmice
12:15 AM on 07/12/2011
Good post.

FYI. Read a piece cnbc which quoted economists from BoA, JP and others where all said we're headed for trouble. Wonder why HP article lightened the mood?
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gomezrules
Why Don't We Do It In The Road?
05:53 PM on 07/10/2011
"The median of forecasts from 17 of the dealers was for a further dip to 8.4 percent by the middle of 2012, while the median from 18 of the dealers was a rate of 8.1 percent by the end of 2012."

Anemic figures by any standard, but the usual suspects will try to sell that as a good thing. And what do these clowns have to risk anyways with such 'predictions'? Heck, it appears that many of them are buying into mediocrity as being the new 'norm'! I guess the politicians who tell us how they're going to 'produce jobs' nor have a fallback position if the numbers don't change, they can claim that 'their projections fell within the numbers anticipated' by 'the experts'!

Just more proof of the 'dumbing down' of the country!
04:48 PM on 07/10/2011
These are the last people to have any credibility on this issue.
Hard to see how jobs would increase except in certain select sectors.
Little savings, or interest on that savings, declining house values etc. all mitigate against this happening. Not to mention outsourcing, world crises, potential inflation in necessities like food, energy, maybe even water eventually. Therefore if people have less and less money hard to see how there will be more spent more to drive hiring.
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graffitijoe
snowballs chance n SoCal
02:08 PM on 07/10/2011
Why are these experts still consulted even after they have been so wrong, so often lately?
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OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
11:54 AM on 07/11/2011
Because the news is not about the truth.
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JoeHilley
NY Times Bestselling Author
01:55 PM on 07/10/2011
Rise in unemployment is just a glitch. Wait until next month when they revise the number downward.
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stape45
Spin this!
10:31 AM on 07/10/2011
A successful free market demands a degree of integrity and honesty that American business simply does not (and may never again) have. Greed and immorality have managed to turn a sure winner for all, into a big fail for most everyone.
02:48 PM on 07/10/2011
Yes! Thank you. I've been looking for a succinct explanation for why our capitalistic system isn't working well.
06:25 PM on 07/10/2011
Also, businesses need enough customers. If American whittles down the customer base so that people can't buy, then the recession will last a loonng time.
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
09:07 AM on 07/10/2011
Aren't these the same economists who keep telling us we are in a recovery? And now they are stunned - stunned, I tell you - at the low employment numbers!

"The recession is over!" - "We are in an economic recovery!" - Please tell me where I can get some of those rose-colored glasses they are wearing or are they smoking some of that wacky-tobacky?
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mackbolan
Libertas inaestimabilis res est
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frank day
Republican = FAIL
09:00 AM on 07/10/2011
ask 50 different economists a question, get 50 different answers

It IS a real science. Their mommies say so.
07:04 AM on 07/10/2011
Guess we will live with an unemployment rate of at least 7.5% for the next 10 years. I'm not sure how we will do it, but we will.
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Larry Motuz
Lawless markets lead ill-gotten gains.
12:57 AM on 07/10/2011
"Economists at top financial institutions expect the U.S. unemployment rate to fall in 2011 and 2012." Well, I'm a labour market economist and I don't...discouraged worker effects could never be that large.

Financial economists may be good with numbers, but not reality.
11:55 PM on 07/09/2011
are these the same guys who said the recession ended 2 years ago?
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Larry Motuz
Lawless markets lead ill-gotten gains.
12:58 AM on 07/10/2011
No. Those guys used a 'technical definition'. Sadly, that definition needs to be changed.