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McConnell Offers Debt Ceiling Out, But Obama Keeps Focus On Deficit


First Posted: 07/13/11 12:00 AM ET Updated: 09/11/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- There were no real signs of progress in Tuesday's White House debt talks. But the meeting did shed light on two evolving dynamics taking place in the ongoing negotiations: President Barack Obama's increasing appetite to cut spending in a substantial way, and Republicans sinking under the weight of their own hard-line approach to a deal.

For all its talk of the importance of averting a debt default, the White House is signaling that major deficit reduction has become more than just a bargaining chip to bring Republicans aboard a debt deal.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner opened Tuesday's meeting not by focusing on the perils of debt default, but instead with a "vivid" presentation on "what happens if you don't cut the deficit," according to a Democratic source familiar with the talks.

Geithner warned the group that ratings agencies are actively watching both the debt ceiling debate and the ability of Congress to turn around the nation's growing deficit and debt. He pointed to the economic unrest in Europe as evidence of what could happen in the United States if the White House and Congress don't tackle the deficit in a serious way.

Lawmakers obviously discussed the pressing consequences of debt default, said the Democratic official. And on that front there still "continues to be a big difference on revenue."

But as negotiations on a debt package resumed, Obama made it clear that he isn't playing small ball. He warned Republicans that the major concessions he has offered on entitlement reforms are off the table if they don't agree to a sizable debt deal. There could still be some tinkering with Medicare and Medicaid, he told the group, but it would come from the supplier side, not the benefit side.

Throughout the meeting, the president urged Republicans to reconsider the benefits of passing a bigger package, which now seems likely to fall somewhere between the $4 trillion that Obama wanted and the $2.4 trillion that Vice President Joseph Biden targeted in his now-defunct bipartisan deficit group. Whether entitlement reforms remain part of that equation is undetermined. But Democratic negotiators reiterated that even the low end of that deal would have to include a revenue component.

The partisanship simmering beneath the talks also appeared to wane somewhat on Tuesday. Another Democratic official with knowledge of the meeting described it as "more constructive than the other ones," adding that there was a "general consensus about the need to stop talking past each other."

Congressional leaders are headed back to the White House on Wednesday at 4 p.m. to "begin trying to go officially through the stuff in the Biden discussion."

An alternative debt plan floated earlier Tuesday by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) "was brought up" during the meeting, the official added. "But it was sort of pushed to the side" as attendees focused on areas of agreement on spending cuts and revenue reforms discussed in Biden's group.

McConnell's proposal crashed and burned within his own party almost as soon as it was unveiled. Under his proposal, Congress would give up its power to raise the debt ceiling and effectively transfer that authority to the White House for the remainder of Obama's current term. Conservatives immediately trashed the idea and accused McConnell of capitulating in the debt debate. The conservative blog RedState even called on supporters to send McConnell a weasel -- and provided a link to a toy weasel on Amazon.com -- as "a testament to his treachery."

A top Senate Democratic aide said many view McConnell's proposal as "a pretty cynical ploy" aimed only at protecting Senate Republicans from having to make tough political votes on raising the debt.

McConnell made "a miscalculation given the violent reaction on the right," said the aide, and the proposal is "probably a nonstarter since it doesn't seem like it has any chance of passing the House."

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) wouldn't outright endorse or dismiss McConnell's proposal during a Tuesday interview on Fox News, calling it one of several "backup" measures that Republicans have discussed if negotiators can't reach an agreement.

"I think Mitch has done good work," Boehner said.

But some House Republicans balked as they learned details of McConnell's proposal.

"Don't know what in the world McConnell in the Senate is thinking. Wow. Stupid idea," Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) tweeted Tuesday evening.

And McConnell's offering only added to the GOP's mixed messages on where they draw the line in the debt debate. As Politico's David Rogers wrote, McConnell's move put on full display how Republicans are beginning to look "for an escape path from the default showdown they helped create."

Adding to McConnell's woes, the White House publicly embraced his proposal late Tuesday, a move that will likely further alienate the GOP leader from conservatives in his flank.

"Senator McConnell's proposal today reaffirmed what leaders of both parties have stated clearly, that defaulting on America's past due bills is not an option," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said in a statement

"The President continues to believe that our focus must remain on seizing this unique opportunity to come to agreement on significant, balanced deficit reduction. As the President has said, 'If not now, when?' It is time for our leaders to find common ground and reduce our deficit in a way that will strengthen our economy."

Beyond that, other sources familiar with the meeting signaled that not much came of Tuesday's huddle. One Democratic aide said House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said that negotiators need to go big with their compromise; another source called the meeting "sleepy." Democratic leaders reiterated that Medicare cuts are not acceptable, while Boehner pressed Obama for details on a scored White House budget plan.

A senior House GOP aide noted that, at one point, Boehner urged Obama and Democratic leaders to support amending the Constitution with a balanced budget amendment, an idea backed by conservatives. But the White House resoundingly shot down that suggestion last week.

Staff to respective parties were set to coordinate on consensus areas of cuts late Tuesday night.

Mike McAuliff contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON -- There were no real signs of progress in Tuesday's White House debt talks. But the meeting did shed light on two evolving dynamics taking place in the ongoing negotiations: President Bara...
WASHINGTON -- There were no real signs of progress in Tuesday's White House debt talks. But the meeting did shed light on two evolving dynamics taking place in the ongoing negotiations: President Bara...
WASHINGTON -- There were no real signs of progress in Tuesday's White House debt talks. But the meeting did shed light on two evolving dynamics taking place in the ongoing negotiations: President Bara...
WASHINGTON -- There were no real signs of progress in Tuesday's White House debt talks. But the meeting did shed light on two evolving dynamics taking place in the ongoing negotiations: President Bara...
 
 
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ocrmom59
05:42 PM on 07/14/2011
If Obama keeps his stance against the republicans they will be destroyed for good and we the american people need to watch out for the reactions they are going to show. They don't like the idea of the president talking back to them or walking out on them but they forget one thing, it is his house as long as he is there and he is the president and he can walk out if he want to. If it had been the average black person they may would have thrown in a few choice words and told them to get out.

but that is why he is the president and we are not. He know how to keep his cool and still leave them confuse as all out doors. In dec when the republicans thought they had won something over the president, they didn't have any clue that he really was setting them up for this debt ceiling and knew just how they were going to react.

They signed pledges after pledges about this and that and now look where those pledges have gotten them, in the ocean with no boat or life jackets. So now they find themselves sinking faster and faster everyday.
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ocrmom59
05:33 PM on 07/14/2011
The republicans walked into this with their eyes wide open with the thought of getting rid of the president no matter what the cause and who it hurt. They are trying so hard to live under the agreement that they made on the night the president got elected, to get rid of him anyway they could.

They had hate in their eyes because the american people elected an miniorty to become president and that made the status quo no likely to be anymore. There were other miniorties who ran for president but they didn't make it and they just knew it would be the same with Obama. Then the election in November really made them think they had the people back eating in their hands with the same message of getting rid of the president. But once they took over they could not control themselves and start making mistakes that they will not be able to undo for years to come.

They still cannot see the mistakes they are making and they refuses to open their eyes to the truth.
11:42 AM on 07/14/2011
Anarchy and the Demise of America

Unless there are immediate measures taken to decrease our out of control spending, there will be an unraveling of society the likes of nothing you can imagine.

We give billions of dollars to foreign countries; we take care of the world's poor, and rebuild their city's after disasters. But we don't take care of our own people in America.

When programs are taken away from those citizens who have worked years for them are gone, what do you think will happen in our city's and streets... there will be utter calamity, and chaos!

More and more American's are unemployed, they have lost, or are in the process of loosing their homes.
And now they have to worry about loosing, or reducing their Social Security and Medicare.

Yet we freely give Social Security and subsistence money to illegal immigrants who's children are born in America, this drain on our society is monumental, each illegal immigrant costs American taxpayers approximately $60,000 annually, in food, housing, free health care, and Social Security for their anchor babies, and there are millions of illegal immigrants in our country,

Instead of always going after America's middle class to pay for mistakes, let us try a different approach, and go after those who add to our problems, who take and give nothing back to our society!

A Patriot and a Veteran
12:31 AM on 07/14/2011
What is Obama going to cut? Does any body really know?
09:25 PM on 07/13/2011
Let's see, during Bush time in office he raised the debt ceiling 19 times. Each time the same GOP politicians now sabotaging President Obama at every turn, signed without so much as a blink or yawn. Now, McConnell is saying the very same thing the GOP has always said, but turning the sentence around to make it appear as if they're willing to work with the president and Democratic members of Congress. They're still saying the same old thing but using a slight change in language. They play the public as if they consider the American citizens shortsighted, short memory loss baffoons. And you know what? Many of us continue to fall for the GOP lie each and everytime.

If the president agrees to tamper with the Constitution and make the changes the GOP wants him to make, the tampering won't stop. It will continue.
07:29 PM on 07/13/2011
Seems to me that one way to reduce spending is to reduce the salaries of all members of congress, and those in the white house and supreme court, and all federal employees making over $100,000. The reduction could be 10 or 15 %. I also think that the excessive health benefits of the people in congress should be minimal. Finally, no pensions for those serving less than 10 (maybe 15?) years in the congress. If federal funds are used for air travel then all congress people are to fly tourist like most of the rest of us ordinary folks.
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markie G
...all 6's, 7's + 9's
07:33 PM on 07/13/2011
drop in the bucket---not worth doing
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
08:58 PM on 07/13/2011
Let's solve the real problems, not the symbolic ones. If you want to fix congress, publicly finance all elections, and outlaw all contributions as the bribery they are. Then maybe, make the reps salaries proportional to the median salaries of their constituents.

The GOP wo 't do that. The DLC won't do that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

Who might?
The Progressive Caucus
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/

Vote for them in the primaries and the dems in the general.
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bigkay
07:14 PM on 07/13/2011
Why does no one talk about cutting the defense budget, is that more sacred than social security and taxing the richest 2%.
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markie G
...all 6's, 7's + 9's
07:28 PM on 07/13/2011
not to mention, the defense budget nearly doubled from $400bil to $750bil from 2001 to 2009
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
08:59 PM on 07/13/2011
Because the MIC is rich and deadly.
War is roughly half of our taxes: http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm
06:50 PM on 07/13/2011
So Obama needs 4,000,000,000,000 more of debt to make sure he can make it through 18 months without having to ask for more? Does this mean he is starting to understand the stimulus failed and no new jobs are coming?
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:00 PM on 07/13/2011
Really? Did Bush understand his 17 times of raising the debt ceiling? Or Reagan?

Cutting spending will cause the worst depression in history. Is that what you want?
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Col Hogan
What is this man doing here?
11:55 PM on 07/13/2011
If it means trouble for the black president, then yes, that's what he wants.
Too bad "New Father" isn't giving any thought to the consequences of his thinking.
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markie G
...all 6's, 7's + 9's
06:49 PM on 07/13/2011
good gawd, why cant obama exploit the rifts among the repubs now and beat them over the head w/ it, instead of trying to look for more ways to cave and ruin medicare and soc sec

wrong guy, wrong time--shoulda voted for hillary in the primaries
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Scott Zwartz
11:19 PM on 07/13/2011
Obama is beyond incompetent. McConnell have Obama everything because Wall Street told the GOP to stop screwing around and Obama rejected it!!
06:39 PM on 07/13/2011
The article refers to "President Barack Obama's increasing appetite to cut spending in a substantial way." I'm sorry. I just don't see it. Help me out. Show me a proposal. There is no Obama spending cut proposal; nor is there an outline, tendency, hint, nor illusion of an Obama spending cut proposal. McConnell saw that arguing over policy with someone who has all the tools to push any responsibility and/or erosion of principles on to Republicans (i.e., someone who is taking a purely political approach) was pointless. Best case scenario was for Obama's administration to shut down the government in the most painful way possible, then wait for some Republicans to peel off, raise taxes, NOT cut spending, get all their voters mad at them AND not get one whit of thanks or credit. Yes. Put this on the Spender-In-Chief. Finally, Republicans are switching over to politics.
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dlnrjm
The World has gone crazy
05:38 PM on 07/13/2011
Go Obama 2012! I can't wait until you are re elected so these fools in congress can go back and do the job we pay them to do. Oh....wait...I guess that won't work either, huh? Shoot. Fire every darn Republican. We need to clean up the old mess and start again.
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El Duderino 791
The Dude minds, man.
05:28 PM on 07/13/2011
Obama: Let us now eat our peas.

Boehner: I want to eat my peas, I really do! But those mean kids that just moved in will make fun of me.

McConnell: Wah! Wah! No fay-yer! I wanna go play!
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05:27 PM on 07/13/2011
It's a no-win situation if the debt ceiling is not raised. Republican supporters will suffer as much as the Democrat supporters. What is needed in addition to a Debt Ceiling increase (one doesn't have to use all the available credit, but its nice to know the cushion is there IF it is needed) is someone to find a mean point between increasing taxes and decreasing spending BY CONGRESS as well as by the executive branch.

Any pay cuts should be aimed at them as well as other Federal Employees, along with their Aides. Same applies to their perks, let them cut their long distance Photo-Ops including their (so called) independently proposed observations of our troops and our foreign policy; these cannot be cheap by any estimate.
05:17 PM on 07/13/2011
Mcconnell , a major leader of this country is playing political games at the most critical times. But I am not sure the republians may replace him, because we are likely to get someone worse.
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fairandbalanced100
09:36 PM on 07/14/2011
CANTOR WOULD BE WORSE
05:12 PM on 07/13/2011
BUB BYE MITCH!