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Rep. Jerry Nadler On Obama's Medicare Proposal: 'There Won't Be Any Democratic Votes For That'

Jerry Nadler

First Posted: 07/12/11 02:49 PM ET Updated: 09/11/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- President Obama's vision of a grand deal on raising the nation's debt ceiling may have been scrapped by a skittish Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). But as the details of the arrangement trickle out, it seems increasingly likely that congressional Democrats would have presented their own set of political difficulties to the administration.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has insisted throughout the debt ceiling debate that her caucus would oppose any proposal that included benefit cuts to Medicare and Social Security recipients. On Monday, The Huffington Post reported that Obama's deal would have done just that, raising the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67.

A Democratic official familiar with the discussions sought to defend the proposal shortly after the news broke, explaining that the age would be raised gradually over time (ending in 2036). The official also stressed that the effect on seniors would have been mitigated by reforms implemented under the president's health care law.

"Obviously one of the reasons why that is something the president was willing to put on the table is the Affordable Care Act, because there would be a place for people who are not working or covered [to] have a chance to have tax subsidies to help pay for an exchange," the official said. "So that, for him, was a critical consideration in being open to that idea and obviously these were things that were on the table."

This is, as several health care officials noted, a generous reading of the law's reach. On the more immediate political front, it did not seem to give Democratic lawmakers a sense of assurance. On Tuesday, Pelosi re-affirmed her position on entitlement reform. And while several top lieutenants deflected questions on the matter -- "In all of these discussions, there is nothing on the table unless everything is on the table," Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.) said. "We have not seen the details of what the president is talking about there, but we inherently trust our leadership and the president to do the right thing" -- others were more candid with their take.

"There won't be any Democratic votes for that," Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) told The Huffington Post when asked about a bill that raised Medicare's eligibility age. "There will be almost no Democratic votes for anything like that under any circumstances. Medicare and Social Security, as Nancy said, are not on this table. We may lose some other programs ... but we're not going to use Medicare or Social Security in any way to impact the deficit."

One of the caucus' most pugnacious liberal voices, Nadler is also a Pelosi ally. While his take on the debt ceiling talks may be posture, he insisted that there were "lines" that Democrats would not cross. "[W]e're not going to let any decrease or change in benefits for Medicare or Social Security, whatsoever, period," he said.

In the end, the talk of Medicare eligibility may be moot. The president has not brought it up in closed-door meetings with Republicans since Speaker Boehner scrapped grand bargain negotiations on Saturday evening. And while the president has urged lawmakers to revisit the idea, more attention has been paid to building off of a smaller package created under the direction of Vice President Joseph Biden.

Still, there was general surprise (or concern) among Democrats on Tuesday morning over just how much the president had been prepared to give up in negotiations with Boehner. In addition to entitlement reforms, the White House, as The Washington Post's Ezra Klein noted, was willing to make major concessions on revenues when compared to both current law and proposals put forth by the president's own deficit commission.

With Reporting By Elise Foley

UPDATE: Greg Sargent at The Washington Post reports that Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) is introducing a proposal that would amend the federal retirement system to make the Social Security retirement age the point at which current and future members of Congress get access to their own federal retirement benefits. The underlying point: If lawmakers are going to meddle with entitlement programs, they will personally feel the consequences.

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WASHINGTON -- President Obama's vision of a grand deal on raising the nation's debt ceiling may have been scrapped by a skittish Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). But as the details of the arrangement tr...
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smburwick
01:44 PM on 07/14/2011
You are required by law to prove that you have healthcare in Mass. on your tax return. A form is sent every year in with taxes. Wake up America! You need to prove you have healthcare, but you don't have to prove you are a citizen.
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DJleary
07:25 PM on 07/13/2011
The so called "Affordable" Health Care Act is a steaming pile of corporate give away garbage legislation. You are not in your right mind if you believe that an old American is going to get anything close to health security once Medicare is degraded.

You are fools to continue to support Barack Obama. This man is the bait and switch of all times.
Disgrace!
02:18 PM on 07/13/2011
Nadler is also a Pelosi ally. He insisted that there were "lines" that Democrats would not cross.

Good for you Nadler and Pelosi!
01:55 PM on 07/13/2011
Republicans seemed to be trapped by their inane believe that Obama is so dirty and unhygienic that what ever he supports is bad that they should not follow him. This is propelled by by their radical and pro-slavery base who want the country to go back to an atmosphere where individuals could take laws in their hands where the vulnerable and poor would have not say.
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Cheryl Apollo
06:59 PM on 07/14/2011
Hit the nail on the head BigNelson.
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Cheryl Apollo
07:06 PM on 07/14/2011
Obama would be committing political suicide. Where is his head. You can not negotiate with anyone who is bent on destroying you. We the people elected Obama as a choice above the republicans who want to destroy all of the systems in place to help our brothers and sisters. They are punitive and mean spirited and I thought we were as a nation on the road to changing the incredible image we had built with the Bush era. We keep going back to the programs and policies that do not work. Do we want our country to fall to its knees?
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Kauia
11:01 AM on 07/13/2011
These people, Obama and Congress, are truly incompetent. Why are the eligibility years for Medicare and Social Security (full benefits) different? It appears that government agencies are unaware of each others rules. Starting to appreciate the Libertarian's view of government and bureaucracy.
wheeljc
Lover of America
10:06 AM on 07/13/2011
Is he also going to speak up on Obama's priorities to hold up Social Security checks; Checks to Veterans; and Checks to the disabled?? We sure get to see the mirror into Obama's soul don't we?

Why are the democrats not getting a strong, honest democrat to run against this scoundrel in the primaries??
04:25 AM on 07/13/2011
QUESTION !

Why is it that no member of Congress, (of either party), has the courage to suggest raising the amount that is deducted from an employee's wages from the current 6.2% (Soc Sec) and the current 1.45% (Medicare) to a higher amount.

This is one remedy to address this constant fear about entitlements causing us to have future debt levels that are unsustainable ?

Why is it that raising that deduction amount always seems to be "off the table" ?

I can understand why it is off the table to Republicans. Because it means raising a payroll tax higher (God forbid).

But will someone please tell me why it seems to ALSO seems to be off the table as a suggestion for Democrats to propose.
07:53 AM on 07/13/2011
Why is it that no member of Congress, (of either party), has the courage to suggest raising the amount that is deducted from an employee's wages from the current 6.2% (Soc Sec) and the current 1.45% (Medicare) to a higher amount. Answer: Are you nuts? Are you a Republican? The real question should be: Why are people who make MORE than $106,000 a year NOT PAYING FICA?
wheeljc
Lover of America
10:08 AM on 07/13/2011
AMEN!! The short answer is that they will get more money to waste by going for a percent of the gross income, while simultaneously providing an illusion that they are 'protecting' the poor!
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R.W. Sanders
Numerous questions, too little expertise
02:56 AM on 07/13/2011
Yes, the millionaires in congress will feel the consequences, much like one feels a mosquito bite.
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dizmo4
11:46 PM on 07/12/2011
I suggest people watch Lawrence O'Donnell tonight.  He lays out the strategy that Obama has employed as clear and concisely as I've ever heard.

The premise, as the President stated, is that nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to--until all parties agree to all the pieces of the deal, there will be no deal what so ever.

The President knows that the Republicans will never vote for a tax increase.  He can leak vague statements about cuts to Medicare, cuts to Social Security, cuts to Medicaid because he knows the GOP will never go along with any of those since that package includes tax increases.   The President comes out looking like a very reasonable person in these negotiations.   He's willing to move towards the GOP on spending cuts but the GOP can't dare give up tax credits for private jets.  He looks Presidential, they look petty.

The GOP is already moving towards passing a clean extension of the debt ceiling.   McConnell came up with this nutty proposal to empower the President to raise the ceiling.   He's dropped the conditions that spending cuts be tied to it. 

     In 2012, he can campaign on the fact he tried to get a grand deal to cut $4 trillion from the debt, but the GOP refused to end tax breaks for millionaires.  He takes control of the debt issue, since he looks reasonable. 
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HR Mickelson
Watch out for 'opinion rich and fact free' info
01:40 AM on 07/13/2011
I earnestly hope you are correct in your analysis. The President’s past performance does not seem to bear out your conclusions.
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threewarveteran
If you don't like what I say then I made MY POINT
11:11 PM on 07/12/2011
How about abolishing the retirement plan for congrerss? Congress is called to serve the people. Congress is supposed to serve a term of public service, not have a position for 30 years. There is no guaranteed retirement for working americans. No retirement, no medical benefits for life. The savings would be enormous, politicans would not have time to be corrupt, new blood will constantly be pumped into government, and politicans will be able to share the pain.
1hotgolfer
A Dem who helped protect liberty/freedom
10:47 PM on 07/12/2011
Here is my reply to "LEARNEDDEMOCRAT"...Yes I am "narrowing" the jobs issue to Republicans. It was they who were incredible obstructionist, voting against every jobs bill introduced by Democrats. They told the American people approaching Nov. 2010, that if people like you put them in charge, they would be completely focused on "jobs, jobs, jobs"!! And since then, it's been about nothing but planned parenthood, abortion, union busting, and gay rights issues.
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Louis Sipher
Support science and engineering
11:02 PM on 07/12/2011
Way to see through the diversions! The GOP only aims to appease their voters and stop all Democratic progress. We need more people to recognize what is going on.
08:15 AM on 07/13/2011
There is no Democrat progress the Senate of no action hasn't done anything on the debt ceiling except propose a tax increase. The senate hasn't passed a budget bill in two years. The Democrats of NO only want to spend by continuing resolution that creates 1.5 Trillion in deficits. The Democrats have done nothing except say NO on everything except their support of Abortions in planned parenthood.
07:59 AM on 07/13/2011
ihotglofer You forgot the best Republican point. Not no but H?ll NO to ANY RICH person going back to 2000 tax rates. That is only for the poor, the middle class, and the elderly.
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peacenique
Empire is a four letter word
10:36 PM on 07/12/2011
long windeddiatribes dont catch my eye... can you keep it succinct. your life history is very important to us if you cankeep it beneath 30 words ... but go on
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MissingAmerica
10:17 PM on 07/12/2011
If this doesn't show that the Dems are fighting for us, the whole time batting their heads against that brick wall known as the GOP, I don't know what does. We need to eliminate the tax breaks for the wealthy and the corporations and restructure to a "give a job, get a break" system. Incentives I can live with, but out-and-out tax breaks are poor business for the economy and, at $3.5 trillion over the next 10 years, are destroying us. Next greatest destructive expense? The wars in the Middle East which involve and include the destroy/rebuild cycle this country has adopted. We are putting more money into those countries than in our own and that is no longer acceptable. We need to start making ourselves heard!
10:21 PM on 07/12/2011
Does fighting for us mean leaving SS & Medicare on their current trajectory towards destruction?
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myblueohio
My bio is not micro
10:30 PM on 07/12/2011
That destruction will only be perpetrated by the Reoublicans.
08:08 AM on 07/13/2011
VikingQuest Why don't you e-mail your Congressman or Senator and respectfully request that he/she begin the process of repaying all the money, he/she, has BORROWED from the SS TRUST FUND to pay for UNFUNDED WARS, UNFUNDED No Child Left Behind, UNFUNDED Medicare Part D, EARMARKS, UNFUNDED TAX CUTS for MILLIONAIRES/BILLIONAIRES, CORPORATIONS, et al. EMPLOYEES paid their FICA tax, EMPLOYERS supposedly paid their matching contribution. BUT CONGRESSMEN and SENATORS NEVER PAID for all the combination SPENDING/CUTS mentioned above.
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peacenique
Empire is a four letter word
10:40 PM on 07/12/2011
giving you a pass on long winded....... because i love where you are coming from... however , i still have to enforce the rule
10:08 PM on 07/12/2011
Back in 2006, as the vote on the debt limit came up, Senators Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Harry Reid all voted against it.

Let me quote the junior Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama:

“Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
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wwrd1472
Loud, Proud and Country by the grace of God
10:09 PM on 07/12/2011
Oh but that was different, he wasn't the President then.
10:10 PM on 07/12/2011
Get the picture here? Duplicitous hypocrisy of the greatest degree! We are at this point due to the over $5T of new debt added by the Obama, Pelosi, Reid regime. Leadership is about making the tough decisions, not situational ethics. 'Nuff said.
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verita vincera
Lies only extend suffering
10:00 PM on 07/12/2011
It will be whatever Obama wants unless of course he is to weak of a leader.